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Hanoi John Responsible for the Reviling of Returning Troops (Vanity)
TEXOKIE

Posted on 07/31/2004 1:24:07 PM PDT by TEXOKIE

I have great concern that it was Kerry's testimony (and the fakes he brought with him) before the Congress in 1971 that is DIRECTLY responsible for the greetings that our troops who served in Viet Nam received when they returned home. These heros DID NOT deserve the spit and epithets of "baby killer!" when they came home from one nightmare only to be confronted with another.

John Kerry's testimony told Americans that our young men were worthless scum. He told Americans that our young men performed horrendous war crimes as a common, matter-of-course habit.

HE LIED.

This fact about that 1971 Kerry testimony and its DIRECT consequences and implications should be emphasized during the campaign. I dont believe many Americans actually realize that it is JOHN KERRY who in such great part did this to our troops.

This reviling of our servicemen has caused deep, lasting pain in thousands of veterans and their families. John Kerry should be held to account for this. People need to understand the DIRECT responsibility he bears for this.

We know that decent Americans have in their hearts a true and profound appreciation of our troops and veterans. In many ways they show their support for our troops today with an attitude of NEVER AGAIN!

By God's grace, may that be true.

Never Again.

John Kerry must NOT become president.


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IPWGOP posted an important link to VietnamVeteransForTheTruth group, a.k.a. KerryLied.com.

They have produced a video which imho MUST get out to every American. I urge everyone to look at that video.

Thanks for that link, IPWGOP!

IPWGOP's Thread: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182203/posts

The video link: http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

1 posted on 07/31/2004 1:24:07 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: TEXOKIE
Let's see if I can make those links active!

IPWGOP's Thread:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182203/posts

The video link:
http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

2 posted on 07/31/2004 1:26:18 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Will of God is Good! Not my will, not my will, not my will, but Thine be done!)
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To: TEXOKIE

Hmmmmmmmm. Perhaps a good hearted soul might be willing to help me out here in getting the links to go active!


3 posted on 07/31/2004 1:27:29 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Will of God is Good! Not my will, not my will, not my will, but Thine be done!)
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To: TEXOKIE

MSNBC right this minute is running a program entitled "John Kerry: Bringing the War Home", detailing Kerry's antiwar efforts in pictures and sound and playing him off against the evil Richard Nixon ("put a press pass on somebody and go down there and find out - I bet it's all phoney") - looks like the 'rat apologist media is gearing up to try to meet the outrage about Kerry's antiwar activities head on.........


4 posted on 07/31/2004 1:30:04 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: .30Carbine; 2ndIDVet; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Alamo-Girl; amom; anniegetyourgun; armymarinemom; ..

I do not usually seek to write essays, nor to gratuitously use the Prayer Warrior ping list, but I do hope you will forgive me for taking the liberty in this instance.


5 posted on 07/31/2004 1:30:57 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Will of God is Good! Not my will, not my will, not my will, but Thine be done!)
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To: TEXOKIE
I dont believe many Americans actually realize that it is JOHN KERRY who in such great part did this to our troops

Let's face it, many (voting) Americans don't even know the combatants in the Vietnam war, nor the U.S. Presidents under which it was fought.

6 posted on 07/31/2004 1:31:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Wow. Thanks for letting us know.


7 posted on 07/31/2004 1:32:17 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Will of God is Good! Not my will, not my will, not my will, but Thine be done!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

"Let's face it, many (voting) Americans don't even know the combatants in the Vietnam war, nor the U.S. Presidents under which it was fought."

So true! *sigh*

God help us!


8 posted on 07/31/2004 1:34:13 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Will of God is Good! Not my will, not my will, not my will, but Thine be done!)
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To: TEXOKIE
ScaryJohnKerry
9 posted on 07/31/2004 1:34:53 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Thanks for making an active link for me, Mr Mojo!! :-)


10 posted on 07/31/2004 1:35:46 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Will of God is Good! Not my will, not my will, not my will, but Thine be done!)
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To: TEXOKIE

Kerry was responsible for turning me into a hard-core conservative. I was young and impressionable when he was doing that march through towns on the east coast, and I was appalled at it. He and Hanoi Jane soured me on Democrats at the age of about 22. For THAT, I thank him! LOL!


11 posted on 07/31/2004 1:37:15 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.....John Edwards: The political equivalent of breast implants.....)
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To: TEXOKIE
IPWGOP's Thread:

The video link:
12 posted on 07/31/2004 1:37:18 PM PDT by boxerblues
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George W Bush's military record vs John Kerry's military record

Aerospaceweb.org was started in 2000 to provide information regarding a wide range
of aerospace-related fields, including aircraft design, spacecraft design, aerodynamics,
and aerospace history.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml

...Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush
enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were
routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970.
Palace Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG to bases in Europe
or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for frontline duty.
Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush
inquired about participating in the Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior,
MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training
and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran
COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time,
told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and not accepting new applicants....
...
The point of this discussion is that the military record of George W. Bush deserves a fair treatment.
Bush has been criticized for avoiding service in Vietnam, though the evidence proves that
the Texas Air National Guard and its F-102 pilots where serving in Vietnam while Bush was in training.
Bush has been criticized for using his family influence to obtain his assignment,
but the evidence shows that he successfully completed every aspect of the more than
two years of training required of him.
Bush has been criticized for pursuing a safe and plush position as a fighter pilot,
but the evidence indicates the F-102 was a demanding aircraft whose pilots regularly risked their lives.
Bush has also been criticized for deserting the Guard before his enlistment was complete,
but the evidence shows he was honorably discharged eight months early because his position
was being phased out...
...
While it is not our goal to compare and contrast the records of the candidates on this subject,
the fact that the questioner cites John Kerry's military service makes us feel it necessary to comment.
It is interesting to note that there are just as many, if not more,
irregularities in Kerry's military record as there are in Bush's.
Kerry can certainly be praised for some of the actions he performed while in the line of duty,
but his record does contain some troubling portions as well.
Not the least of these is his involvement in the controversial group
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while he was still an active-duty member of the US Navy.
Kerry's testimony before Congress as VVAW spokesman in 1971,
during which he accused soldiers serving in Vietnam of being war criminals,
was found to be based on largely falsifed information as documented by Wikipedia.
The Boston Globe has also reported on troubling accusations regarding the circumstances
surrounding Kerry's medals, particularly his first two purple hearts awarded for
minor injuries that may even have been self-inflicted.

John Kerry's record

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

DD 214 shows 17 Feb 72 terminal date of Reserve Obligation for John Kerry

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Kerry's anti war activities were doing this period!

What is Senator John Kerry's relationship to VVAW?

http://www.vvaw.org/faq/#4

Since Vietnam Veterans Against the War's inception in 1967, tens of thousands of vets, GIs and supporters have participated in and supported the actions of VVAW. One of those members in the early 1970s was John Kerry. Kerry was appointed to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971 (Nicosia, 98-99). Kerry made his greatest contribution to the anti-war movement and to VVAW in his speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 23, 1971 (Brinkley, 371-373: Hunt, 109-110; Nicosia, 136-138; Wells, 495).

Content of the speech is found at:

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html.

By 1972, John Kerry had moved on from VVAW (Brinkley, 406: Hunt, 127-128; Nicosia, 211).

John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Rahn Bay for a month of training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction 1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed.



The instruction, titled 1300.39, says that a Naval officer who requires hospitalization on two separate occasions, or who receives three wounds "regardless of the nature of the wounds," can ask a superior officer to request a reassignment. The instruction makes clear the reassignment is not automatic.

It says that the reassignment "will be determined after consideration of his physical classification for duty and on an individual basis." Because Kerry's wounds were not considered serious, his reassignment appears to have been made on an individual basis. Moreover, the instruction makes clear that Kerry could have asked that any reassignment be waived.

The bottom line is that Kerry could have remained but he chose to seek an early transfer. He met with Horne, who agreed to forward the request, which Horne said probably ensured final approval. The Navy could not say how many other officers or sailors got a similar early release from combat, but it was unusual for anyone to have three Purple Hearts.

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=KerryinVietnam

"So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor
ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty,
other than those who were seriously wounded or killed."


13 posted on 07/31/2004 1:43:36 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support Our Troops!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
KERRY: YOU ARE A BABY KILLER. I SPIT ON YOU!
14 posted on 07/31/2004 1:44:48 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (KERRY LIED)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

I'm watching it now also.

DID YOU SEE THE VIET CONG FLAG!


15 posted on 07/31/2004 1:45:33 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support Our Troops!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
DID YOU SEE THE VIET CONG FLAG!...yeah, only one of many unhappy flashbacks to that very unhappy time.....
16 posted on 07/31/2004 1:50:12 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Kerry admitted he was a war criminal on the Dick Cavette show!


17 posted on 07/31/2004 1:51:56 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support Our Troops!)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

"yeah, only one of many unhappy flashbacks to that very unhappy time....."

When I got out in Sep 69 I worked in downtown Chicago

I worked across the street from the Chicago 7 trial
and down the street from daily war protests at Dailey Plaza.


18 posted on 07/31/2004 1:54:37 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support Our Troops!)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

Kerry enjoyed seing Vietnam and other socialist states as a VIP, but when reminded of the guys at the bottom, his true colors comes through.


19 posted on 07/31/2004 1:55:07 PM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: TEXOKIE

BUMP for truth!


20 posted on 07/31/2004 1:55:34 PM PDT by dandelion
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