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Spy claims Israel assassinated JFK
WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/25/04 | Aaron Klein

Posted on 07/25/2004 7:06:08 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: COEXERJ145
The Israelis should have made and exception for Mordechai Vanunu and hung him from the nearest tree for treason.

The one and only charge that carries the death penalty in Israel is Genocide. There are no plans to extend it to Being A Royal Pain In The A$$, but its nice to think about.

61 posted on 07/26/2004 9:39:09 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I suggest you read the book Case Closed by Gerald Posner. The single bullet theory was verifed by extensive and highly professional computer analysis done by a highly respected Silicon Valley company. Kennedy and Connelly were positioned so that the bullet which struck them had to be fired from the Book Depository. This conclusion doesn't rule out other shots from another building or the grassy knoll. But it's entirely plausible that one shot struck both Kennedy and Connelly. The conspiracy theorists simply do not have their facts straight on this subject. They are factually incorrect but they're making good $ from selling conspiracy theories.
62 posted on 07/26/2004 9:43:05 AM PDT by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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To: wagglebee
What a crock. Everyone that's old enough to know what was happening at the time of the assassination knows that Johnson had him taken out.
63 posted on 07/26/2004 9:43:11 AM PDT by Dustbunny
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To: Dustbunny
"Everyone that's old enough to know what was happening at the time of the assassination knows that Johnson had him taken out."

Johnson was a fairly tough guy, but there's no evidence that he had anything to do with the Kennedy asassination. Those theories are just wild speculation with no basis in facts or evidence.

64 posted on 07/26/2004 9:46:25 AM PDT by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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To: wagglebee

When is he scheduled to speak at the DNC convention?


65 posted on 07/26/2004 9:52:43 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Michael.SF.

If that sort of scheme were attempted and Oswald was made to believe it then that would be the only way he could truly be called a patsy. I find it's extremely unlikely this is was what occurred but you never know, stranger things have happened.


66 posted on 07/26/2004 9:55:04 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest (I)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Mrs. Connally for example, even though she believes Oswald acted alone swears to this day the single bullet theory was inaccurate because of the way she heard the bullet sounds.

I am not a Kennedy assassination buff, but there are a few things worth considering.

1. Eyewitness memories of a traumatic event are usually distorted, and degrade with time. Ten completely honest eyewitnesses recalling the same murder will give ten different accounts if you interview them immediately afterward, and will likely give accounts that deviate from their first accounts if you interview them again later.

2. Sounds echoes, particularly in the presence of hard, reflective surfaces. I've seen the Kennedy assassination site - it's in a urban area full or concrete, glass, and steel.

3. Bullets tumble and bounce. I used to be a volunteer EMT, and my training emphasized that if you see an entrance wound, you have to strip the victim to make sure there's no exit wound, because it could be anywhere.

4. A turn-of-the-last-century military rifle such as Oswald used was designed to be used for at distances of up to 800-1000 meters. After a short-distance shot, a bullet fired from would still have a great deal of kinetic energy, even after penetrating flesh and bone.

Just a few points to ponder.

67 posted on 07/26/2004 10:00:39 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Atlantic Friend

I also heard that, to save money, the Soviets built the plant without a containment vessel. Bad move, that.


68 posted on 07/26/2004 10:03:25 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Vanunu knew!

So, nu?

69 posted on 07/26/2004 10:07:30 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: wagglebee
This is not a new idea.  Do a Google search and you'll find several hits on this topic.  One web site, in particular, references a book in 1994, Michael Collins Piper's Final Judgment.

Psychobabble tin foil hat material at its finest.

Mossad And The JFK Assassination
 

"Israel need not apologize for the assassination or destruction of those who seek to destroy it. The first order of business for any country is the protection of its people."
Washington Jewish Week, October 9, 1997


In March, 1992, Illinois Representative Paul Findley said in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, "It is interesting - but not surprising - to note that in all the words written and uttered about the Kennedy assassination, Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, has never been mentioned."

Considering that the Mossad is quite possibly the most ruthless and efficient intelligence agency in the world, it is peculiar that they have never been scrutinized in relation to the Kennedy assassination, especially when practically every other entity in the world (short of Elvis impersonators) has been implicated. But that all changed in January, 1994 with the release of Michael Collins Piper's Final Judgment. In this book, Piper says, "Israel's Mossad was a primary (and critical) behind the scenes player in the conspiracy that ended the life of JFK. Through its own vast resources and through its international contacts in the intelligence community and in organized crime, Israel had the means, it had the opportunity, and it had the motive to play a major frontline role in the crime of the century - and it did."

Their motive? Israel's much touted Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, who ruled that country from its inception in 1948 until he resigned on June 16, 1963, was so enraged at John F. Kennedy for not allowing Israel to become a nuclear power that, Collins asserts, in his final days in office he commanded the Mossad to become involved in a plot to kill America's president.
Ben-Gurion was so convinced that Israel's very survival was in dire jeopardy that in one of his final letters to JFK he said, "Mr. President, my people have the right to exist, and this existence is in danger."

In the days leading up to Ben-Gurion's resignation from office, he and JFK had been involved in an unpublicized, contentious debate over the possibility of Israel getting nuclear capabilities. Their disagreement eventually escalated into a full-fledged war of words that was virtually ignored in the press. Ethan Bronner wrote about this secret battle between JFK and Ben-Gurion years later in a New York Times article on October 31, 1998, calling it a "fiercely hidden subject." In fact, the Kennedy/Ben-Gurion conversations are still classified by the United States Government. Maybe this is the case because Ben-Gurion's rage and frustration became so intense - and his power so great within Israel - that Piper contends it was at the center of the conspiracy to kill John Kennedy. This stance is supported by New York banker Abe Feinberg, who describes the situation as such: "Ben-Gurion could be vicious, and he had such a hatred of the old man [Joe Kennedy, Sr., JFK's father]." Ben-Gurion despised Joe Kennedy because he felt that not only was he an anti-Semite, but that he had also sided with Hitler during the 1930's and 40's. [We will touch upon this aspect of the story in an upcoming article entitled The CIA and Organized Crime: Two Sides of the Same Coin].

Anyway, Ben-Gurion was convinced that Israel needed nuclear weapons to insure its survival, while Kennedy was dead-set against it. This inability to reach an agreement caused obvious problems. One of them revolved around Kennedy's decision that he would make America his top priority in regard to foreign policy, and not Israel! Kennedy planned to honor the 1950 Tripartite Declaration which said that the United States would retaliate against any nation in the Middle East that attacked any other country. Ben-Gurion, on the other hand, wanted the Kennedy Administration to sell them offensive weapons, particularly Hawk missiles.

The two leaders thus engaged in a brutal letter exchange, but Kennedy wouldn't budge. Ben-Gurion, obsessed by this issue, slipped into total paranoia, feeling that Kennedy's obstinance was a blatant threat to the very existence of Israel as a nation. Piper writes, "Ben-Gurion had devoted a lifetime creating a Jewish State and guiding it into the world arena. And, in Ben-Gurion's eyes, John F. Kennedy was an enemy of the Jewish people and his beloved state of Israel." He continues, "The 'nuclear option' was not only at the very core of Ben-Gurion's personal world view, but the very foundation of Israel's national security policy."

Ben-Gurion was so preoccupied with obtaining nuclear weapons that on June 27, 1963, eleven days after resigning from office, he announced, "I do not know of any other nation whose neighbors declare that they wish to terminate it, and not only declare, but prepare for it by all means available to them. We must have no illusions that what is declared every day in Cairo, Damascus, and Iraq are just words. This is the thought that guides the Arab leaders … I am confident … that science is able to provide us with the weapons that will serve the peace and deter our enemies."

Avner Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, published by Columbia University Press, reinforces this sense of urgency by writing, "Imbued with lessons of the Holocaust, Ben-Gurion was consumed by fears of security … Anxiety about the Holocaust reached beyond Ben-Gurion to infuse Israel's military thinking." He further adds fuel to this point by pointing out, "Ben-Gurion had no qualms about Israel's need for weapons of mass destruction," and "Ben-Gurion's world view and his decisive governing style shaped his critical role in instigating Israel's nuclear progress."
Kennedy, on the other hand, was adamant in his refusal to promote Israel's ascension to the nuclear stage. Avener Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, stresses, "No American president was more concerned with the danger of nuclear proliferation than John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He was convinced that the spread of nuclear weapons would make the world more dangerous and undermine U.S. interests." Cohen continues at the end of this passage, "The only example Kennedy used to make this point was Israel."

Realizing that Kennedy would not change his mind, Ben-Gurion decided to join forces with Communist China. Both countries were greatly interested in creating nuclear programs, and so began their secret joint dealings. Working in unison through intermediary Shaul Eisenberg, who was a partner of Mossad gun-runner and accountant Tibor Rosenbaum, Israel and China proceeded to develop their own nuclear capabilities without the knowledge of the United States.
If you find this scenario improbable, I strongly urge you to read Gordon Thomas' excellent book, Seeds of Fire, where he exposes how the Mossad and CSIS (Chinese secret service) have conspired on many occasions to not only steal American military secrets, but to also doctor U.S. intelligence programs such as the Justice Department's PROMISE software. This instance, I am afraid to say, is but the first where echoes of the JFK assassination can still be felt today reverberating through our post 9-11 world. The danger of Israel developing the Bomb in unison with China became a highly volatile situation, and was closely monitored by the CIA.

Intent on pursuing this path, the Israeli's constructed a nuclear facility at Dimona. When Kennedy demanded that the U.S. inspect this plant, Ben-Gurion was so incensed that he erected another PHONY facility that held no evidence of nuclear research and development. (Does this scenario sound eerily familiar to the game we're playing with Saddam Hussein in Iraq right now?) Fully aware of their shenanigans, though, JFK told Charles Bartlett, "The sons of bitches lie to me constantly about their nuclear capability."

Avner Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, reiterates this claim by saying that Ben-Gurion had taken the nuclear issue so closely to heart that he, "concluded that he could not tell the truth about Dimona to American leaders, not even in private."

Dr. Gerald M. Steinberg, political science professor at Bar-Ilan University's BESA Center for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv, weighs in by saying, "Between 1961 and 1963, the Kennedy administration placed a great deal of pressure on Ben-Gurion in the effort to pressure for acceptance of international inspection of Dimona and Israeli abdication of their nuclear weapons. This pressure apparently did not alter Israeli policy, but it was a contributing factor to Ben-Gurion's resignation in 1963."

To convey how serious this situation had become in modern terms, look at what is happening in Iraq with United Nations security teams inspecting the royal palaces and bunkers for nuclear weapons and materials. This matter is so urgent that our nation is on the verge of war. Forty years earlier, the heat that JFK was placing on Ben-Gurion was equally as strong as what George Bush is laying on Saddam Hussein today.

In Israel and the Bomb, Avner Cohen reinforces this point. "To force Ben-Gurion to accept the conditions, Kennedy exerted the most useful leverage available to an American president in dealing with Israel: a threat that an unsatisfactory solution would jeopardize the U.S. government's commitment to, and support of, Israel."

The pressure on Ben-Gurion was so immense that he ended up leaving office. But Kennedy, in true pit-bull style, didn't let up on Ben-Gurion's successor, Levi Eshkol, as Avner Cohen reports. "Kennedy told Eshkol that the U.S. commitment and support of Israel 'could be seriously jeopardized' if Israel did not let the U.S. obtain 'reliable information' about its efforts in the nuclear field. Kennedy's demands were unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to an ultimatum." Cohen concludes this thought by asserting, "Kennedy's letter precipitated a near-crisis situation in Eshkol's office."

In the end, as we're all aware, Kennedy was assassinated in November 1963; but less known is that China conducted its first nuclear test in October, 1964. What makes this event more profound is Piper's claim that even though Israel said its first nuclear tests took place in 1979, they actually occurred in October, 1964 along with the Chinese! If this is true, other than August, 1945 when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, October 1964 may possibly be the most dangerous month in 20th century history.

Let's return, though, to JFK's assassination and the direct results of it in regard to the Jewish lobby, American foreign policy, and the militarization of Israel. To understand how powerful the Israeli lobby is in this country, venerable Senator J. William Fulbright told CBS Face the Nation on April 15, 1973, "Israel controls the U.S. Senate. The Senate is subservient, much too much; we should be more concerned about U.S. interests rather than doing the bidding of Israel. The great majority of the Senate of the U.S. - somewhere around 80% - is completely in support of Israel; anything Israel wants; Israel gets. This has been demonstrated time and again, and this has made [foreign policy] difficult for our government."

Do you hear what Senator Fulbright said? This isn't a crazy conspiracy theorist or a KKK anti-Semite. It's a much-respected U.S. Senator saying that about 80% of the Senate is in Israel's hip pocket. Adding clout to this argument is Rep. Paul Findley, who was quoted in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs in March, 1992, "During John Kennedy's campaign for the presidency, a group of New York Jews had privately offered to meet his campaign expenses if he would let them set his Middle East policy. He did not agree … As the president, he provided only limited support of Israel."

To understand how important Kennedy's decisions were during his short-lived presidency, we need to look at the issue of campaign finance. Considering how influential the Israeli lobby is in the U.S. Senate (hearkening back to the words of Senator Fulbright), they had to have been enraged when President Kennedy genuinely wanted to cut the knees out from under the current campaign finance methods because it made politicians so reliant upon the huge cash inlays of special-interest groups. Regrettably, Kennedy did not have the time to implement this program, and to this day our political system is still monopolized by lobbyists from the very same special-interest groups. One can only imagine what changes would have occurred in regard to our foreign policy had Kennedy eradicated these vipers and blood-suckers from the halls of Congress.
Tragically, Kennedy's ideas never came to fruition, and his heated battle with Prime Minister Ben-Gurion over whether Israel should be allowed to develop a nuclear program was ultimately lost. The reason why is that Lyndon Baines Johnson, who Kennedy intended to drop from his ticket in 1964 due to his extreme dislike for, had a complete reversal in foreign policy. As you will see, not only did Israel's nuclear program move ahead unchecked; they also became the primary beneficiary of our foreign aid.

But this absolute turnaround would not have occurred if Kennedy would not have been assassinated. Up until LBJ became president, Kennedy dealt with the Middle East in a way that most benefited the U.S. His primary goal - and one which would most keep the peace - was a balance of power in the Middle East so that each and every nation would be secure. This decision adhered to the Tripartite Declaration which the U.S. signed in 1950. But under the Johnson administration, this fragile balance was overturned, and by 1967 - only four years after Kennedy's assassination - the U.S. was Israel's main weapons supplier, and OUR best interests were put well behind those of Israel!

As Michael Collins Piper writes: "The bottom line is this: JFK was adamantly determined to stop Israel from building the nuclear bomb. LBJ simply looked the other way. JFK's death did indeed prove beneficial to Israel's nuclear ambitions and the evidence proves it."
Reuven Pedatzer, in a review of Avner Cohen's Israel and the Bomb, in the Israeli Newspaper Ha'aretz on February 5, 1999 wrote, "The murder of American president John F. Kennedy brought to an abrupt end the massive pressure being applied by the U.S. administration on the government of Israel to discontinue their nuclear program." He continues, "Kennedy made it quite clear to the Israeli Prime Minister that he would not under any circumstances agree to Israel becoming a nuclear state." Pedatzer concludes, "Had Kennedy remained alive, it is doubtful whether Israel would today have a nuclear option," and that, "Ben-Gurion's decision to resign in 1963 was taken to a large extent against the background of the tremendous pressure that Kennedy was applying on him concerning the nuclear issue."
If you're still not convinced; how about some numbers? In Kennedy's last fiscal budget year of 1964, Israeli aid was $40 million. In LBJ's first budget of 1965, it soared to $71 million, and in 1966 more than tripled from two years earlier to $130 million! Plus, during Kennedy's administration, almost none of our aid to Israel was military in nature. Instead, it was split equally between development loans and food assistance under the PL480 Program. Yet in 1965 under the Johnson administration, 20% of our aid to Israel was for the military, while in 1966, 71% was used for war-related materials.

Continuing in this same vein, in 1963 the Kennedy administration sold 5 Hawk missiles to Israel as part of an air-defense system. In 1965-66, though, LBJ laid 250 tanks on Israel, 48 Skyhawk attack aircrafts, plus guns and artillery which were all offensive in nature. If you ever wondered when the Israeli War Machine was created, this is it! LBJ was its father.
According to Stephen Green in Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with a Militant Israel, "The $92 million in military assistance provided in fiscal year 1966 was greater than the total of all official military aid provided to Israel cumulatively in all the years going back to the foundation of that nation in 1948."

Green continues, "70% of all U.S. official assistance to Israel has been military. America has given Israel over $17 billion in military aid since 1946, virtually all of which - over 99% - has been provided since 1965."

Can you see what's happening here? Within two years of JFK's assassination, Israel went from being a weak, outmatched member of the volatile Middle Eastern community that was not allowed to develop nuclear weapons to one that was well on its way to becoming a undeniable military force on the world stage. John Kennedy adamantly put his foot down and refused to allow Israel to develop a nuclear program, while LBJ bent over backward to facilitate and bolster them. Or, as Seymour Hersh wrote in The Samson Option, "By 1968, the president had no intention of doing anything to stop the Israeli bomb."

The result of this shift in focus from the Kennedy to Johnson administration is, in my opinion, the PRIMARY reason behind our current troubles in the Middle East which culminated in the 9-11 attacks and our upcoming war with Iraq (and beyond). I have a great deal of confidence in this statement, for as Michael Collins Piper points out, here are the results of John F. Kennedy's assassination:

1) Our foreign and military aid to Israel increased dramatically once LBJ became president.
2) Rather than trying to maintain a BALANCE in the Middle East, Israel suddenly emerged as the dominant force.
3) Since the LBJ administration, Israel has always had weaponry that was superior to any of its direct neighbors.
4) Due to this undeniable and obvious increase in Israel's War Machine, a constant struggle has been perpetuated in the Middle East.
5) LBJ also allowed Israel to proceed with its nuclear development, resulting in them becoming the 6th largest nuclear force in the world.
6) Finally, our huge outlays of foreign aid to Israel (approximately $10 billion/year when all is said and done) has created a situation of never-ending attacks and retaliation in the Middle East, plus outright scorn and enmity against the U.S. for playing the role of Israel's military enabler.
In Israel's, and especially David Ben-Gurion's eyes then, what were their alternatives - to remain weakened (or at least balanced) in relation to their neighbors and handcuffed by JFK's refusal to bow to their will, or KILL the one man standing in their way to becoming dominant in the Middle East, the recipient of huge amounts of military aid, and one of the premier nuclear forces in the world? It's something to think about. Also, while these thoughts are running through your head, ask yourself this question. If Kennedy, LBJ, and all subsequent administrations would have adhered to the 1950 Tripartite Declaration and did everything in their power to maintain balance in the Middle East instead of pushing Israel to the forefront, would our Towers have been attacked on 9-11, 2001, and would we be on the verge of a possibly catastrophic war today? It's certainly something to ponder.

Israel's War Machine, JFK's Assassination, and the Atomic Bomb:
An Overivew of Michael Collins Piper's "Final Judgment" by Victor Thorn
See: http://www.babelmagazine.com/issue89/finaljudgment89.html

 

70 posted on 07/26/2004 10:07:53 AM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: wagglebee

And so JFK posthumously joins the "palaeo" pantheon (just like George C. Marshall!).


71 posted on 07/26/2004 10:21:01 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Eikhah yashevah vadad ha`ir rabbati `am!)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Eyewitness memories of a traumatic event are usually distorted, and degrade with time.

That's true when it comes to witnesses to a certain degree. But when you have so many saying the same thing then it becomes more difficult to explain away. For example no less than 44 witnesses who examined Kennedy's head swore he had a defect in the right rear rather than the right-front. If a bullet enters clean and leaves with a large gaping hole that would suggest a frontal hit as opposed to the back. In this case however I believe it was an exploding bullet that hit his right temple and caused matter to blow out in both directions.

72 posted on 07/26/2004 10:23:15 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest (I)
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To: Phsstpok; hchutch
In March, 1992, Illinois Representative Paul Findley said in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs,

I think this piece misspelled "Wahabbist."

73 posted on 07/26/2004 10:24:26 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man." -- John Dryden)
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To: Dustbunny

74 posted on 07/26/2004 10:39:30 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: wagglebee

This is BS, we all know that Bush killed Kennedy just before he went AWOL so that he could make it to Whoville in time to steal Christmas.


75 posted on 07/26/2004 10:43:48 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: defenderSD

Please I read Case Closed years ago and even have a copy of my own. It does not close the case by any means at least to any who have made a close study of the assassination. It is, however, an excellent example of using misleading information and verbiage to obstruct rather than to elucidate.

The gun was sheer garbage and incapable of being sighted until the US Army Ordinance lab fixed it. My statement was correct - it was a better weapon thrown at an object than shot at it. It was a terrible weapon when brand new much less after being imported into this country as junk. The first FBI men were afraid to fire it for fear it would explode in their faces.


76 posted on 07/26/2004 12:06:55 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: wagglebee

These types of threads really bring out the grassy knollers.


77 posted on 07/26/2004 12:15:41 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"The gun was sheer garbage and incapable of being sighted until the US Army Ordinance lab fixed it."

"The first FBI men were afraid to fire it for fear it would explode in their faces."

What is your source for these statements? Usually, these kinds of statements are made by conspiracy theorists and have no basis in fact. If you read these statements in books written by conspiracy theorists, then they may just be fabrications and outright lies. Often in our society people print outright lies in books and then society starts to believe the lies because they read them in a book. You have to be extremely careful about the source of information on controversial subjects, especially when people are making money by selling books, videos, and DVD's. Now go ahead an tell me your unimpeachable source for this shocking information.

78 posted on 07/26/2004 1:13:29 PM PDT by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Just wait til Castro is pushing up daisies and we can get into his files. I bet there is Lots of stuff in the files to show what really happened. We sould have freed Cuba long time ago.


79 posted on 07/26/2004 1:21:39 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: Hollywoodghost

I've always believed Castro was involved somehow, he publicy threatened US leaders in September of 1963.


80 posted on 07/26/2004 1:43:17 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest (I)
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