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Latino Parents Decry Bilingual Programs
NY Times ^ | July 14, 2004 | SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN

Posted on 07/15/2004 4:44:07 PM PDT by Akira

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To: Akira
Even though I was born in the US, my father insisted only Greek was to be spoken at home. Bilingual education was nonexistent when I was a child yet I very quickly mastered English. In first grade I was translator for the young greek immigrants who escaped post WWII Greece.

Like the kid in the article I wanted to be like my friends. No greater incentive than that for a kid.

21 posted on 07/15/2004 5:44:31 PM PDT by nycgal
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To: gubamyster

but, ... but, ... the RATS tell us and the NEA teslls us that this is what is best for them. </sarcsm


22 posted on 07/15/2004 5:48:26 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Akira
The NY Times is really out to lunch on this one. If they had any interest in reporting the facts on this story they would have covered the biggest outrage in bilingual education in New York -- kids being stuck in bilingual Spanish classes even if their native language isn't Spanish.

The only purpose of bilingual education in New York is to provide teaching jobs to Hispanic "teachers" who would otherwise be barely employable.

P.S. The kid who learns English on his own may have a bright future after all. I had a classmate in grade school who didn't speak a word of English when his family moved to the U.S. Within about 18 months, he was speaking English with no accent at all -- which he learned by watching cartoons and other kids' shows on television.

23 posted on 07/15/2004 5:51:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: Akira

When my husband was a teacher's aide one student was put in the special ed. class, because she didn't test highly enough to be put into the regular classes. The reason was discovered right away. She could read and write fine : in Spanish. Instead of immersing her into the the school environment so she could improve, the administration was just lazy.


24 posted on 07/15/2004 5:55:58 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: agrarianlady

The poor kid's parents are especially heinous, as English is required study in the Netherlands. They have the highest percentage of English speakers in mainland Europe.

Duel-language is a priority of the Council of La Raza. They're really taking care of their constituency. Taking care that they remain a manipulated minority.


25 posted on 07/15/2004 5:56:18 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Akira
No shocker here

No shocker?! This got published in the Times? That's shocking!

26 posted on 07/15/2004 5:58:50 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: agrarianlady

I know a number of children - Polish, Japanese, Hungarian, Yugoslavian - who spoke no English until they went to school or were put in regular classes upon moving to the US - total immersion and they are fluent. These children were between 4 and 8 when they learned English.

My brother's wife is Peruvian and they are bringing up their children bilingually. Last time I saw my nephew I thought his English was lagging behind the Spanish, but he hasn't seen as much of my side of the family and he was sick. By the time he goes to school I expect he will be fluent and accentless.

Mrs VS


27 posted on 07/15/2004 6:04:01 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Alberta's Child
The only purpose of bilingual education in New York is to provide teaching jobs to Hispanic "teachers" who would otherwise be barely employable.

Not just any job - bi-lingual teachers are on a higher payscale than mono-lingual trachers... There's the real incentive - create more jobs that are also a promotion.

29 posted on 07/15/2004 6:07:09 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Akira
Makes sense to me that the parents would feel this way, I recently read that Spanish speaking immigrants are acquiring English (and losing second and third generation fluency in Spanish) faster than any previous large group of immigrants.

If the US was really interested in global cultural hegemony we would regularize English grammer, spelling and pronunciation - in two generations English would become the language of choice in most cultures.
30 posted on 07/15/2004 6:11:54 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
What's with these people? Ingrates all! Clamoring to get off the Liberal plantation, indeed! Don't they know all they have to do is shut up, work (optional), pay their taxes and pull the D lever every election day and their social betters will take care of them? Imagine! Turning their back on their wonderful native cultures and wanting their kids to learn English, the language of oppressive white males! Where's their gratitude? </ sarcasm>
31 posted on 07/15/2004 6:17:28 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Akira

Actually it IS a shocker -- that this article appeared in the New York Times.


32 posted on 07/15/2004 6:52:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Akira

ping


33 posted on 07/15/2004 7:10:07 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Cacique; PARodrig

Bushwick/NY 12 Ping!


34 posted on 07/15/2004 11:21:45 PM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: gubamyster

bump and thanks!


35 posted on 07/16/2004 2:02:18 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: agrarianlady

Perhaps it's just the way it's done. One of my best friends fled Czech in 1968 (he was an infant) and landed in Ottawa. His parents spoke mostly Czech at home but ensured that he learned English. Then he went to a French school for 5 years. Today, he's 35 and speaks all 3 fluently. So it can be done, but the parents MUST ensure that English is a priority.


36 posted on 07/16/2004 6:09:19 AM PDT by Akira (Dyin' ain't much of a livin')
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To: Akira

Part of the problem with "bilingual" education is the label. It does not help make anyone learn a second language, it just reinforces their monolingualism. Latinos have realized this and are not fooled.

Now we just have to help them understand that Democrats don't call themselves that because they believe and support democracy.


37 posted on 07/16/2004 7:42:26 PM PDT by PARodrig
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To: Alberta's Child
The only purpose of bilingual education in New York is to provide teaching jobs to Hispanic "teachers" who would otherwise be barely employable.

That and the mulitculturalism agenda. Parents can fight their children being placed in all-Spanish classrooms and I know some English speaking US born parents who had to do this --- but very many want the US government to "preserve their culture" that they not only allow their children to be placed in these classrooms but insist on it.

38 posted on 07/18/2004 5:48:35 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Tuco Ramirez
Educrats in NY have been accused of removing English-speaking children (who had indicated on some form that Spanish was spoken in their home) from regular classes and casting them into Spanish classes...

That's very commonly done here --- some of my co-workers have had actually had to fight the school to demand their kids be placed in English speaking classrooms and their kids already spoke English as their primary language. There is a push now to have all kids learn Spanish -- not just those with Spanish ancestry --- but not all kids learn English. Even the university level is getting in on the push for Spanish speaking classrooms.

39 posted on 07/18/2004 5:53:21 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

If they would just look at the Canadian experiment, they would see that it can never work.


40 posted on 07/18/2004 6:47:54 AM PDT by Tuco Ramirez (Ideas have consequences.)
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