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I am full blooded Neanderthal.
"The genetic legacy of current humans is predominantly of African origin,"
Where are my reparations?
If there was some disaster ~80,000 ya which decreased the Homo Sapiens to 5,000-10,000 individuals how can genetic studies of earlier populations be made?
Homo erectus
-hahahaha (ya so I am childish, sue me)
Ping-a-ling.
I really dislike this type of idle speculation being tossed out into the open. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big believer in the ToE and such, but this type of pseudo-guessing simply lends credence to those who claim that the ToE is so fluid that it's utterly worthless. This, in my opinion, is the result of mixing the science behind the ToE with the pseudo-science of archaeology. I think that's a pretty risky thing to do, as it can lead us off into a dozen wrong directions at once, and distract us from the pure science that's helped us come this far in our understanding of our origins.
"Australian geneticist Associate Professor Philip Batterham from the University of Melbourne said the research showed humanity was far more closely related that previously thought and that race was a cultural phenomenon.
Once again, political correctness corrupts science. Race is unquestionably based on genetics. Note that any time there is marriage between Negroid and Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid, and any other combination, that the resulting offspring DO follow Mendel's laws of genetics.
This certainly makes more sense of some of the DNA data that has been reported than does the wave of killers theory that had been dominant to date.
So they moved into another area, and outbred the local population into extinction? Sounds like what Africans, Mexicans, and Muslims are doing today to Europe and America. Interesting.
Many scholars of the Bible think there are at least two creations of man, the sixth day man, made from gray dust, told to hunt, gather, and have dominion, and the creation of "Adam" sometime after the Sabbath rest, whose name means "red earth", able to blush, whose different command from God was to farm or till the earth.
They feel that in relating the story of Adam and the Garden of Eden, God is not rehashing events from the sixth day, but has moved on to a time past the seventh day. Adam is addressed, by God as an individual, not as "them". When Adams son, Cain, slew his brother, he fled to the surrounding towns inhabited by the sixth day creation of man.
It makes sense and answers questions about how Cain could flee to an inhabited town and marry into that community, when the number of children of Adam and Eve are to that point, only two.
I have noticed that at the end of knowledge, as more is known, the findings always come to conform with the Bible, as with the new knowledge that living things are a result of several spontaneous appearances of several different species, as opposed to all developing from the same single cell organism as was promoted by evolution.
Genesis 6, even relates an attempt by Satan to pollute the human bloodline that Christ would be born in the flesh through, by the marriage of human women to supernatural angels.
Some attempt to say that the "sons of God" were the elite of the community, but that does not jive with all the other references to the "son's of God" in the Old Testament.
So there is still alot to be learned in my opinion.
This guy's out of date. Genes for racial characteristics have already been identified.
I should've said that he was probably quoted out of context.
You and mine both. There was never any reason to make OOA and multi-regional mutually exclusive.
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"We really have to abandon the idea of race. It actually does not reflect the genetic differences we can now measure in an objective fashion... We do see differences in different regions of the world but the best indicator of those differences is simply geographical distance and not things like skin colour." Templeton said his data was inconclusive on whether interbreeding also occurred with Neanderthals. But he said there was fossil evidence that this probably occurred, which would imply a bit of Neanderthal could live on in us all.Genetic "studies", particularly mtDNA "studies", are prime examples of the conclusion always fitting the original assumptions. Humans are able to mate with humans with other roots, because wherever and whenever humans originated, they come from some kind of common ancestors (at least two, for obvious reasons). All the oldest primates are known from fossils found in Asia. And there are other things from the genetic "studies" which are studiously ignored:
That kind of pejorative talk is characteristic of the proponents of Replacement, which is steeped in bigotry and racism -- and always has been. Shreeve himself turns out to be an advocate of Replacement, which can be seen in semantic spin found throughout the book. Besides Replacement, the much-maligned "social Darwinism", like Darwinism itself, is likewise the product of an elitist society. Thomas Henry Huxley, "Darwin's Bulldog", while criticizing the idea that "Aryans" were a superior racial form, said:The Scars of Evolution"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"
by Elaine MorganFathers can be influential tooBiologists have warned for some years that paternal mitochondria do penetrate the human egg and survive for several hours... Erika Hagelberg from the University of Cambridge, UK, and colleagues... were carrying out a study of mitochondrial DNAs from hundreds of people from Papua-New Guinea and the Melanesian islands in order to study the history of human migration into this region of the western Pacific... People from all three mitochondrial groups live on Nguna. And, in all three groups, Hagelberg's group found the same mutation, a mutation previously seen only in an individual from northern Europe, and nowhere else in Melanesia, or for that matter anywhere else in the world... Adam Eyre-Walker, Noel Smith and John Maynard Smith from the University of Sussex, Brighton, UK confirm this view with a mathematical analysis of the occurrence of the so-called 'homoplasies' that appear in human mitochondrial DNA... reanalysis of a selection of European and African mitochondrial DNA sequences by the Sussex researchers suggests that recombination is a far more likely cause of the homoplasies, as they find no evidence that these sites are particularly variable over all lineages.
by Eleanor LawrenceIs Eve older than we thought?"Two studies prove that the estimation of both when and where humanity first arose could be seriously flawed... The ruler scientists have been using is based on genetic changes in mitochondria, simple bacteria that live inside us and control the energy requirements of our cells. Mitochondria are passed from mother to daughter and their genes mutate at a set rate which can be estimated - so many mutations per 1,000 years... However, these calculations are based upon a major assumption which, according to Prof John Maynard Smith, from Sussex University, is 'simply wrong'. The idea that underpins this dating technique is that mitochondria, like some kinds of bacteria, do not have sex... Two groups of researchers, Prof Maynard Smith and colleagues Adam Eyre-Walker and Noel Smith, also from Sussex, and Dr Erika Hagelberg and colleagues from the University of Otago, New Zealand, have found that mitochondria do indeed have sex - which means that genes from both males and females is mixed and the DNA in their offspring is very different... Prof Maynard Smith and his colleagues stumbled over mitochondria having sex in the process of tracking the spread of bacterial resistance to meningitis... For the 'out-of-Africa' theory to hold water, the first population would have to have been very small. Sexually rampant mitochondria may put paid to this idea. Maynard Smith thinks that the origin of humanity is much older - may be twice as old - which, according to Eyre-Walker, means we are likely to have evolved in many different areas of the world and did not descend from Eve in Africa."
by Sanjida O'Connell 15th April 1999Neanderthals and Modern Humans in Western AsiaWestern Asia... has yielded some of the earliest remains of anatomically modern humans ever found -- as early, or maybe even earlier, than those found in sub-Saharan Africa. The puzzle over the relationship between Neanderthals and early modern humans in Western Asia begins with a skull from the Zuttiyeh site in Israel, from a period known as the Middle Paleolithic. The Zuttiyeh skull was associated with an early Middle Paleolithic industry, the Acheulo-Yabrudian. This industry at Zuttiyeh has been dated to as late as 148,000 years before the present, but other estimates place the Zuttiyeh skull as early as 200,000 to 250,000 B.P. The Acheulo-Yabrudian existed in the eastern Mediterranean, or Levant, before the appearance of the Mousterian -- another Middle Paleolithic industry associated with both early modern humans and a contemporaneous population with more archaic traits, whom most scholars identify as Neanderthals... These dates indicate that the Neanderthal and possibly modern remains from layer C, and also the Tabun C1 Neanderthal, are as old as, or perhaps even older than, early modern humans from other sites in Israel and from sub-Saharan Africa, dated to 80-120,000 B.P. If Neanderthal and modern types were both at Tabun before 100,000 B.P., this could back the idea that the Neanderthals and early modern humans of the Levant comprised a single indigenous population evolving toward a fully modern form.
by Scott J. BrownThe Neandertal EnigmaFrayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
by James Shreeve
"Allan Wilson had always been described to me in superlatives, such as 'one of the real geniuses in science,' or 'the most arrogant guy I know...' [H]e apologized for putting me off so long and bluntly explained that the reason he had done so was that he did not trust me... 'The anthropological perspective on evolution is no longer valid; it has been overthrown. And yet the science writers who insist on talking to me come drenched in an anthropological perspective, and there is really no point in talking to them... It is paralytic. It prevents you from asking certain questions, and it forces you to ask others. The whole discipline invites you not to investigate.'
...A few months before my visit, Wilson had announced at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science... that the Neandertals were replaced because they could not speak... suggesting that a particular gene for language might have been carried in the mitochondria themselves. Since invading males would have been more likely to mate with resident females than the other way around, the offspring of sexual contact between the two groups would be 'linguistically deaf-mute,' like their Neandertal mothers. Thus disadvantaged, these 'village idiots' would face the same fate as the mothers: extinction. Only the language-endowed African lineage would continue. The language gene idea, and especially the unfortunate term 'village idiots,' elicited hoots of derision from the anti-Eve camp, and gave no joy to Wilson's colleagues." [pp 119-121]
"Physical, mental, and moral peculiarities go with blood and not with language. In the United States the negroes have spoken English for generations; but no one on that ground would call them Englishmen, or expect them to differ physically, mentally, or morally from other negroes." [Erik Trinkaus, Pat Shipman, The Neandertals pp 46-47]
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