Skip to comments.July Surprise? (Nobody expects a ZOT!!!)
Posted on 07/10/2004 8:42:45 AM PDT by Hiram_Buck
This spring, the [Bush] administration significantly increased its pressure on Pakistan to kill or capture Osama bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman Al Zawahiri, or the Taliban's Mullah Mohammed Omar, all of whom are believed to be hiding in the lawless tribal areas of Pakistan...
...This public pressure would be appropriate, even laudable, had it not been accompanied by an unseemly private insistence that the Pakistanis deliver these high-value targets (HVTs) before Americans go to the polls in November.
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I suppose it is a false, misleading, and fiercely unpatriotic charge, no?
Shoot it down, Ladies and Gentleman. Make me feel stupid.
You do a good enough job of that yourself
So, yes, I'd say it's misleading and false.
It's sad that you are rooting for the terrorists to escape because of your hatred for our President. Shame on you and those of your ilk.
You're a liberal and you want us to make you feel stupid? That's like a frog asking to be convinced its green.
The liberal spin is that he wants him captured by the election to simplyget votes. A conservative spin is that he wants him before the election because he knows that if a democrat is elected the war on terror will stop and we will never again capture another terrorist.
Label is required: you are stupid.
Was that the Kid who looked like he was 12? man what a baby, I'm sure he was drawing on all his experience :)
Unnamed Pakistani intel sources, with the New Republic as the source of this expose?
LOL - the shadowy, spooky left will believe anything w/out corroboration these days.
The New Republic?
Puh-leeze, and even if Bush wants to catch bin Laden in July, who cares? At least he'd be caught. I can only assume that you would prefer he remain at large for your POLITICAL benefit.
You are just as bad as this sketchy article paints Bush as being.
Should we not try to nab bin Laden?
If we have a chance to get him, shouldn't we?
Or should we sit and wait and hope your boys Kerry and Edwards will file a lawsuit, and that'll do the trick?
Just being liberal should make you feel stupid.
I'll believe it when there's a lick of proof.
The title doesn't seem to fit the text.
I agree...Its a terrible thing to get a bad guy, especially so close to an election
Elections are one way we hold presidents accountable. Presumably the American people would like to see Bin Laden captured. If the election in November provides GWB with a self-interested motive for capturing him, as if capturing him at any time wouldn't be in GWB's self-interest, then so be it. To me that's further evidence that much of Mr. Madison's efforts way back when were not in vain.
This is symptomatic of the general lack of accountability among liberals. Here, Bush apparently demands action by our ally, and he gives a timetable. He may also have said "as soon as possible". In any event, we have a measurable criterion.
As anyone who observes the UN knows, no such accountability accompanies any of their "edicts". That allows the organization to look tough while relieving them of any obligation to act.
This is part of the liberal MO. I applaud the administration for placing a timetable on the capture of terfrorists in their own country.
It's now or never, gang. Kerry & Company won't lift a finger to go after Bin Laden; he'll be too busy building bridges with the UN and giving them more of our money to squander, while kissing up to France and Germany.
Does "get lost" count as an answer?
Darn. And I was just gearing up for another reply.
Trying to kill or capture Ayman Al Zawahiri as soon as possible translates to "before November". Simple enough for you?
I'm not convinced that the Bush administration's best course of action is to take out an insurance policy to ensure the public's confidence.
PAKISTAN FOR BUSH.
by John B. Judis, Spencer Ackerman & Massoud Ansari
Interesting that one of the only named sources is an ISI Lt. General, considering that the ISI is notorious for it's Al-Qaida sympathies and is probably behind the assasination attempts on Musharaff.
We're interested in why people like you would rather fight in the streets of your hometown than Iraq or Afghanistan.
From the article:
"This public pressure would be appropriate, even laudable, had it not been accompanied by an unseemly private insistence that the Pakistanis deliver these high-value targets (HVTs) before Americans go to the polls in November."
Hiram Buck, let me put it to you this way: do you have some problem with the capture of HVTs sooner rather than later? Why is it that Liberals, such as yourself, WANT it to take longer for HVTs to be killed or captured? Why is it that Liberals, such as yourself, WANT more and more Americans to die -- at least up until November 2nd? Is it, perhaps, because you want to use this as a political stick with which to beat the President of the United States? It is BECAUSE you Liberals ARE making a political issue out of this that the President feels he has to pressure to get some result not just sooner, but even BEFORE the election (if possible). Is there something WRONG with capturing Osama in July, August, September, or October ... rather than in Mid November or December????? Oh, yes ... from your perspective there WOULD be something wrong with it ... it would help to ensure the President of the United States RE-election.
I think it is a GOOD thing that President Bush is pushing to capture HVTs sooner rather than later. What I am amazed by is the seeming implication that you DON'T agree. You would rather -- for POLITICAL REASONS -- let the HVTs run free until AFTER November 2nd, no matter what kinds of death and destruction result. You disgust me.
I just checked my magic eight ball, and the answers were favorable. Bush has all three culprits locked away and will bring them out 2 days before the election. You can count on it, the magic eight ball knows all.
Whaddaya tryna do, make him feel stoopid?
"I suppose it is a false, misleading, and fiercely unpatriotic charge, no?"
Only read what you posted. All I can say is that I hope the part I read is true. LOL!
Having declared this, I must postulate and you must give equivalence to my conspiracy theory that the Bill Clinton and the DNC has ordered the Palm Beach District Attorney to get Rush Limbaugh on trial and convicted for Dr. shopping and get him off the air before election day! If your crazy theory is valid, then so is mine. As the hippies always say, "everything is relative man!"
Doesn't take much to do that with these 'people' ;-)
Back under your slimy rock, scumbag!
This story aligns with everything the Liberals wish the public to believe and has been pushing for at least a year. If there were any real sources, besides "unnamed officials" it would help.
The problem is your trying to make people believe Bush is a stupid, evil, arrogant, hateful,do anything for money or power, even sending soldiers to die for their own gain type of guy and it conflicts with most Americans gut feeling of him.
Bush has been honest and straight his whole presidency and sticks to his guns and people know this. The liberals have cried wolf for so long why would we believe them even if this was a real wolf?
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Here is the problem. It's an easy charge to make, and an easy one to believe, if you want to.
I work with a number of people who have been up and down the hills in the back corners of Afganistan. From every single account, they say that anyone who thinks finding Bin Laden should be easy needs to come on down and try for themselves.
The issue of terrain is all but insurmountable. In the higher areas helicopters just don't work, because the air is too thin. In the lower regions, the sheer size, complexity and ruggedness of the terrain makes it a breeze to hide in.
Many locals aren't helpful, either. Some have never heard of America, some are convinced we're the Russians coming back, some saw a flyer saying that American's murder 2 million Muslims a year, and have decided not to help us. The ones that are helpful are usually not useful.
Now, 'rumor has it' that he's in Pakistan. Which is even worse, because the Pakistanis don't want our military running around their lawless no mans land western frontier stirring up trouble. That does complicate things.
The Pakistanis aren't trustworthy. Their military and government agents often run their own agendas, making it impossible to know what they're really up to. The tribes of Waziristan and western Pakistan are half civilized, xenophobic, and rebellious. At least the Afghans can be paid off; these guys simply won't budge.
So, when we do catch the bin Hidin and company, barring any major, stunning intelligence breakthroughs that I wouldn't hold my breath over, it will be because of luck. If that doesn't sit well with you, I don't know what else to tell you. There are people in America we still can't find.
Here's your sign!
I don't know who I trust less-liberals or muznuts...
If you insist. Goodnight Mr. Hiram:
Beat me to it!
Get a WH source to go on record and I will pay attention.
I read this the other day and find nothing in it that supports the claim. A couple folks saying they have been told to ramp up the pressure, and they assume it is due to the election.
I have an open mind, but I need real proof of something like this.
There just is none.
Geez..and I thought it was Kerry's French cousins who were planning this as they can't stand their faux French relative because he sold his Italian villa they used for vacations..damn I really am happy to know the truth..its BUSH!
It don't take much, do it?
I almost never do this, but this troll deserves a response in absentia:
Hiram, you just don't get it. That's what makes you feel stupid. This forum, in my opinion, is not for debating the Left. It is for defeating the Left. We tried debating the Left, for forty years. It got us called racistsexistbigothomophobehater and any other epithet the Left could come up with. The Left believes those that disagree with them are not merely in error, but in sin. The Left views its positions as so clearly, cosmically, unquestionably correct that anyone that disagrees with them must be doing it for evil motives.
After a while, we got sick of it. Somehow, on the scene arrived men and women who were no longer afraid of these foul names and what the New York Times would say. They began to lead others, who stood up and said, 'No More'. No more corruption of our children, no more treason, no more theft of the means of production, no more coddling criminals so they'd vote for the Left, no more installing the religion of Atheism as a state religion. No more.
One of these leaders founded this forum, and through it, like-minded individuals have banded together to discuss strategy, plan activities, debate (sometimes very forcefully) amongst themselves and enjoy each other's company. None of this pertains to you. We do not enjoy your company, we will not debate you because it is pointless. Your mind is corrupt and shall remain so.
Wait somewhere else for the final collapse of the Left. It is coming. The Left's hold on the educational system, the government and public opinion is being dismantled. Brick by brick, lie by lie, fool by fool, the edifice the Left has erected is being slowly, carefully, patiently destroyed. People are waking up, and when they do, they join forums like this one.
So, begone menace. And good riddance. Go someplace like democraticunderground.com and wallow in the hate, filth, profanity and evil that is so apparent there. You'll find none here.
Nothing more than...feelings.
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