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Fahrenheit Moore or Less
http://www.petetownshend.co.uk ^ | 7 July 2004 | Pete Townsend

Posted on 07/08/2004 7:27:46 PM PDT by Huck

Michael Moore has been making some claims – mentioning me by name - which I believe distort the truth.

He says – among other things – that I refused to allow him to use my song WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN in his latest film, because I support the war, and that at the last minute I recanted, but he turned me down. I have never hidden the fact that at the beginning of the war in Iraq I was a supporter. But now, like millions of others, I am less sure we did the right thing.

When first approached I knew nothing about the content of his film FAHRENHEIT 911. My publisher informed me they had already refused the use of my song in principle because MIRAMAX the producers offered well below what the song normally commands for use in a movie. They asked me if I wanted to ask for more money, I told them no.

Nevertheless, as a result of my refusal to consider the use, Harvey Weinstein – a good friend of mine, and my manager Bill Curbishley – interceded personally, explained in more detail to Bill what the movie was about, and offered to raise the bid very substantially indeed. This brought the issue directly to me for the first time. Bill emailed me and told me how keen Harvey and Michael Moore were to use my song.

At this point I emailed Bill (and he may have passed the essence of what I said to Harvey Weinstein) that I had not really been convinced by BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE, and had been worried about its accuracy; it felt to me like a bullying film. Out of courtesy to Harvey I suggested that if he and Moore were determined to have me reconsider, I should at least get a chance to see a copy of the new film. I knew that with Cannes on the horizon, time was running short for them, and this might not be possible. I never received a copy of the film to view. At no time did I ask Moore or Miramax to reconsider anything. Once I had an idea what the film was about I was 90% certain my song was not right for them.

I believe that in the same email to my publisher and manager that contained this request to see the film I pointed out that WGFA is not an unconditionally anti-war song, or a song for or against revolution. It actually questions the heart of democracy: we vote heartily for leaders who we subsequently always seem to find wanting. (WGFA is a song sung by a fictional character from my 1971 script called LIFEHOUSE. The character is someone who is frightened by the slick way in which truth can be twisted by clever politicians and revolutionaries alike). I suggested in the email that they might use something by Neil Young, who I knew had written several songs of a more precise political nature, and is as accessible as I am. Moore himself takes credit for this idea, and I have no idea whether my suggestion reached him, but it was the right thing to do.

I have nothing against Michael Moore personally, and I know Roger Daltrey is a friend and fan of his, but I greatly resent being bullied and slurred by him in interviews just because he didn’t get what he wanted from me. It seems to me that this aspect of his nature is not unlike that of the powerful and wilful man at the centre of his new documentary. I wish him all the best with the movie, which I know is popular, and which I still haven’t seen. But he’ll have to work very, very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar.

Pete


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Definitely some credible first hand insight into the fat bastard's true nature. Truth will out. Also, looks like Pete's gone wobbly on the war. I know the feeling. Been there, done that. We need to find his email address and help him pull himself together.
1 posted on 07/08/2004 7:27:46 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
WGFA is not an unconditionally anti-war song, or a song for or against revolution. It actually questions the heart of democracy: we vote heartily for leaders who we subsequently always seem to find wanting.

Interesting.

2 posted on 07/08/2004 7:30:31 PM PDT by Huck (I love the USA!)
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To: Huck

We’ll be fighting in the streets
We’ll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
We don’t get fooled again

The change, it had to come
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that’s all
We were liberated from the fold, that’s all
And the world looks just the same
And the world looks just the same
And history ain’t changed
And history ain’t changed
’cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
’cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
We don’t get fooled again
No, no!
No, no!

I’ll move myself and my family aside
I’ll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
If we happen to be left half alive
I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?
Do ya?

There’s nothing in the streets
There’s nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
Same as the old boss


3 posted on 07/08/2004 7:34:31 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Huck

It might be easier if we try to find articles about things Moore hasn't lied about.


4 posted on 07/08/2004 7:35:58 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Huck
Moore comments here
5 posted on 07/08/2004 7:36:10 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: Huck

Is one of Neil Young's songs in the movie? That would be peculiar, Young being the author of "Let's Roll."


6 posted on 07/08/2004 7:42:55 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: Huck

Isn't Pete Townsend the one who punched Abbie Hoffman, when Hoffman tried to commandeer the mike on stage at Woodstock when the Who were supposed to perform?


7 posted on 07/08/2004 7:44:00 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: Howlin

That's one to play LOUD and better watch the speedometer too :)


8 posted on 07/08/2004 7:46:32 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: BCrago66
They use Neil Young's "Keep on Rocking in the Free World".
9 posted on 07/08/2004 7:48:52 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: megatherium

Abbie Hoffman. Brings back memories of some past revolutionaries - the Chicago Seven and William Kunstler.

Their counterparts of today are even less likely to find converts.

"We Won't Get Fooled Again"



10 posted on 07/08/2004 7:51:52 PM PDT by wingman1 (Hey Kerry. Why the long face?)
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To: Huck
I have watched as our so-called `fellow countrymen` have taken treason to new lows. Trying to make us fail the most important test of our time; Freedom in the Middle East.

I have watched as our nation has grown weary of the fight from constant bombardment of negative liberal press even though it has been the single greatest and most important military victory of our time. Not to mention the incredibly low casualty rate compared to other fights of freedom. (not to diminish a single life)

I have watched as our `Political correctness run-a-muck` society beats itself up over slightly rough interrogation of terrorist murderers who laugh at our weakness.

I have watched as if I had no stake in it all. But then I watch my children playing and realize that they also are the so-called infidels that these animals want to kill.

I have watched enough. I created the image below to combat the propaganda offered by the left. If they don`t want to help with the problem then let them get out of the way.

And lest we forget what we are dealing with:


11 posted on 07/08/2004 8:03:50 PM PDT by RobUnger
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To: Huck
But he’ll have to work very, very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar.

I don't quite know what to make of that, but I find it to be a very eloquent statement.

You go, Pete!

12 posted on 07/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: RobUnger

13 posted on 07/08/2004 8:13:52 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment. Welcome to Freerepublic.com)
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To: Huck

WHAT?! Michael Moore lied about something? I dont believe it. And Moore slurred someone and bullied them, surely Townsend is hallucinating.


14 posted on 07/08/2004 8:43:12 PM PDT by Mike1973
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Ping to AP. That says it all.


15 posted on 07/08/2004 9:33:33 PM PDT by JENX 2
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To: Huck

I see Michael is still burning those bridges. His end is in sight.


16 posted on 07/08/2004 10:03:53 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: freekitty
His end is in sight.

I would think it darn near impossible to get his end out of sight.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

17 posted on 07/08/2004 10:06:39 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

I knew someone was going to comment.


18 posted on 07/08/2004 10:07:23 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: freekitty

Well, if you keep tossing out those straight lines. . .


19 posted on 07/08/2004 10:08:09 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Huck; Howlin; Rocko; BCrago66; megatherium; 1066AD; wingman1; RobUnger; randog; ATOMIC_PUNK; ...

20 posted on 07/09/2004 12:24:52 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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