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Mansoor Ijaz Donates Tons Of Money To Democrats (How?)
News Meat Campaign Donation Tracker ^ | 7-5-04 | my favorite headache

Posted on 07/05/2004 1:06:01 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10017 CRESCENT INVESTMENT MGMT ROBB, CHARLES S (D)
Senate - VA ROBB FOR THE SENATE $1000 04/13/00 IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10017
CRESCENT INVESTMENT CO CARNAHAN, MEL (D) Senate - MO CARNAHAN FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $1000 04/13/00


IJAZ, MANSOOR CARPER, THOMAS R (D) Senate - DE CARPER FOR SENATE $1000 04/13/00


IJAZ, MANSOOR MCLAIN, VA 22101 CRESCENT INVENSTMENT GROUP JOHNSON, TIM (D) Senate - SD TIM JOHNSON FOR SOUTH DAKOTA INC $1000 12/29/99

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10017 CRESCENT INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM (D) Senate - NY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FOR US SENATE COMMITTEE INC $1000 11/16/99

IJAZ, MANSOOR MCLAIN, VA 22101 CRESCENT INVENSTMENT GROUP JOHNSON, TIM (D) Senate - SD TIM JOHNSON FOR SOUTH DAKOTA INC $1000 11/04/99

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10017 CRESCENT INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT LLP NEW YORK STATE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE (D) $1000 08/30/99

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10017 CRESCENT INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM (D) Senate - NY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FOR US SENATE COMMITTEE INC $1000 06/24/99

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10017 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP INC DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (D) $5000 12/02/97

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP INC DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (D) $10000 02/28/97

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP INC DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (D) $5000 03/11/96 ,br>

IJAZ, MANSOOR MR NEW YORK, NY 10016 DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE (D) $12500 11/03/95

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT MOON INVESTORS CLINTON, WILLIAM JEFFERSON (D) President CLINTON/GORE '96 PRIMARY COMMITTEE INC $1000 09/01/95

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP KERRY, JOHN F (D) Senate - MA KERRY COMMITTEE $1000 06/07/95

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP KERRY, JOHN F (D) Senate - MA KERRY COMMITTEE $1000 06/07/95

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP INC DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (D) $5000 04/24/95

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP INC DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (D) $5000 04/24/95 ,

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT GROUP INC DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (D) $10000 06/10/94

IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10016 CRESCENT INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (D) $10000 02/23/94

IJAZ, MANSOOR MR NEW YORK, NY MOYNIHAN, DANIEL PATRICK (D) Senate - NY SENATE VICTORY '94 $10000 12/09/93

Data Provided by the Federal Election Commission -- 10,405,988 records last updated 6/29/04


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: dems; donors; ijaz; mansoor
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How did this guy become wealthy to support all of these Dem's and why is half of FR under the impression that he is a full supporter of Bush and the party because of his gig on Fox?

I thought he was just an analyst who had an inside track into the middle east...which rarely is correct if I might add.

Oh and a paid supporter of Kerry.

1 posted on 07/05/2004 1:06:01 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

Where are the records for his contributions after 2000?


2 posted on 07/05/2004 1:07:51 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina

I would like to know as well...interesting that it just seems to stop right there after the last election...he was supporting Dem's like crazy and then just stopped donating?


3 posted on 07/05/2004 1:09:02 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

This is the FoxNews guy and they haven't even hinted that he's a Democrat! Amazing!


4 posted on 07/05/2004 1:09:14 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: arasina

Give us up to date donations please.........


5 posted on 07/05/2004 1:09:23 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls - Proof that when the Main Stream Media wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: My Favorite Headache
This kinda old news, he was a point man for the Clinton Administration regarding the Middle East. He raised tons of cash for the Billy Boy.
6 posted on 07/05/2004 1:13:03 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life..............)
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To: My Favorite Headache
>>How did this guy become wealthy to support all of these Dem's

He's gone out and earned it?? His consulting business...

>>...and why is half of FR under the impression that he is a full supporter of Bush and the party because of his gig on Fox?

Perhaps because they've heard him voice support of at least some of what Bush has done...and provided suggestions on what he thinks could be done better.

I knew he was a Dem donor a long time ago...even though he does his thing on FoxNews - long term, I don't think he's been any better or worse about predicting the future thanany other talking head.
7 posted on 07/05/2004 1:13:23 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore has made "documentary" a 1-word oxymoron.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
I don't get the fascination with this guy. He's never right with any of his "inside knowledge". Ijaz is living off his past reputation as somebody who knows a few well-placed people in the Middle East.

For the little good it does.

8 posted on 07/05/2004 1:14:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

he is a democrat, remember he worked for clinton? obviously he didn't care for clinton's policies much.


9 posted on 07/05/2004 1:16:17 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: sinkspur

I agree...I remember about a few weeks before the war he was talking about the massive chemical weapons that were coming into Iraq from Syria and Iran to hit our troops with. I remember Brit Hume was stunned when he Monsoor said that....and of course..it never happened.

I had no idea he was point man for Clinton either...learn something new every day.


10 posted on 07/05/2004 1:18:41 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: libbylu

No I didn't remember him working for Clinton...I try to forget as much as I can regarding the Clinton nightmare..so I can sleep better at night.


11 posted on 07/05/2004 1:19:57 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: sinkspur
I knew that Ijaz was a Democrat so that fact wasn't any secret.

He made his bones with conservatives by claiming that Slick Willie turned down several offers to turn bin Laden over to us.

And in the final analysis, Ijaz is a Muslim.

12 posted on 07/05/2004 1:20:02 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Seems to me he had a change of heart when the Clinton people would do nothing but block his efforts to get them to accept the Sudan's offer of Bin Laden. I think he has been particularly well informed about things going on in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran. I like to hear what he has to say. Besides, this contribution info is old news; I saw it posted a long time ago.


13 posted on 07/05/2004 1:20:36 PM PDT by n-tres-ted
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To: My Favorite Headache

Mansoor Ijazz is the head of an investment company,with assets of (last I looked) about 3/4 BILLION dollars (US).

His father was a nuclear physicist in Pakistan,who did some work on power plants,then came to US-supposedly so he would not have to work on atom bombs.

Father then went into real estate,MAY have had access to some of that "Arab Charity" money.

Mansoor went to school here-I believe in Virginia.He too was into nuclear physics-but he dropped out short of a doctorate when his father got sick.He then came home and ran the family business for a while before going into brokerage.

Fox News uses him as a consultant sometimes,and, every so often,he'll appear on Fox with a "the sky is falling !" story-which is almost always false,but which probably gives him a chance to scare the hell out of some segment of the overseas market,and reap a nifty profit.

Clinton used him as an "unofficial ambassador" at times-and got a wagonload of campaign money from Ijazz and his friends-but does not seem to have entirely trusted him.


14 posted on 07/05/2004 1:31:40 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey

Thanks for the info there...I knew stuff about him but not the entire history...finding out Charlie Danniels supports Democrats was a bit of a shock as well today.


15 posted on 07/05/2004 1:36:09 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: sinkspur

Although I agree that he has yet to prove out his inside scoops, his story of turning over Osama has checked out and his resume is extrodinary:

Mansoor Ijaz is founder and chairman of Crescent Investment Management LLC, a New York investment partnership between Ijaz, Lt. Gen. James Abrahamson (USAF Ret), former director of President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, a major Abu Dhabi investment group and the heir of a prominent European shipping family. Former CIA Director Amb. R. James Woolsey serves as vice chairman of Crescent's Advisory Board of Governors. HSH Prince Alfred of Liechtenstein serves as a member of the Advisory Board of Governors with oversight responsibility for the firm’s philanthropic and humanitarian activities.

Crescent specializes in the use of quantitative modeling techniques to manage investment portfolios. Crescent's new MENARA family of private equity funds, currently in formation, focuses on three strategic investment sectors: national security technologies, including internet security, satellite imaging and air and seaport cargo security, telecommunications, and real estate acquisitions. The firm is headquartered in New York with partner offices in London, Vienna and Abu Dhabi. Ijaz founded Crescent in 1991.

Ijaz received his SM degree in mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1985 where he trained as a neuro-mechanical engineer in the joint MIT-Harvard Medical School Medical Engineering Medical Physics Program. He received his bachelor's degree Magna Cum Laude from the University of Virginia in 1983, where he majored in Physics. He has applied the extensive modeling experience he gained at MIT and Harvard to develop The CARAT System, Crescent's proprietary currency, interest rate and equity risk management system.




Ijaz's father, Dr. Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz (deceased), a prominent American physicist, was an early pioneer in developing the intellectual infrastructure of Pakistan's nuclear program.

Ijaz earned All-American weightlifting status while attending the University of Virginia. Born in Florida in 1961 and raised in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia, Ijaz lives in New York City today.


http://www.saja.org/ijaz.html


16 posted on 07/05/2004 1:37:07 PM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: My Favorite Headache

He was the go between for Sudan when they wanted to get rid of Osama...I don't think he has commented on anything other than his contacts with the Middle East ( of which he obviously has some). If he has the facts ( and he has them more often than say ooooh how about CNN) then I will isten to him. I haven't seen anyone comment on his politics cause he doesn't make any comments about that...And just for the record who cares who he supports when his job is to comment on the mIddle East?


17 posted on 07/05/2004 1:39:02 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: My Favorite Headache

He worked for the Clinton Adm. and yes he was a Democrat. Mansoor is the one who has said that Clinton turned down the offers to take custody of Bin Laden. Mansoor was one of the negotiaters. I trust him and believe what he says.


18 posted on 07/05/2004 1:40:25 PM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: My Favorite Headache

Those donations was all previous to 9/11, he came out after 9/11 against the clintons.


19 posted on 07/05/2004 1:40:36 PM PDT by eastforker ((this dog bite me and eaker shot it))
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To: nathanbedford

Add that I have read that he is married to member of the Saudi royal family (there are a million of them).


20 posted on 07/05/2004 1:41:49 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I will discount anything out of him from this point forward.


21 posted on 07/05/2004 1:46:09 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: My Favorite Headache

Where does Mansoor Ijaz stand now? These contributions are all before 2001.

He is a great analyst with apparantly excellent sources. Let's not condemn him without fully investigating first.

Isn't this what we hope and pray for? That some Dems will see the light and have a Road to Damascus moment?

The GOP commercials running now in NYC feature Ed Koch, co-chair of the NY Committee to welcome the Republican Convention to NY in August.

Koch has been a total supporter of President Bush since 9-11. His condemnation of John Kerry and Michael Moore is classic.

He is NYC's Zell Miller.


22 posted on 07/05/2004 1:46:21 PM PDT by Cincinna (Beware HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: My Favorite Headache

BTW Mansoor Ijaz is an investment broker.


23 posted on 07/05/2004 1:47:17 PM PDT by Cincinna (Beware HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: My Favorite Headache

BTW Mansoor Ijaz is an investment banker.


24 posted on 07/05/2004 1:47:47 PM PDT by Cincinna (Beware HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: My Favorite Headache; SJackson; Sabertooth; katy4now; Destro; RussianConservative

mansoor ijaz most likely works for the paki intelligence service.

he jumps on the popular bandwagon of the day, be it liberal or conservative and tries to put a spin on the politics of the day to help Pakistan and islam.

He was a bleeding heart liberal during clinton's rule. today he's a diehard conservative.

At best, he is a chameleon, doing the bidding for islamists.

You need to pay attention to his spin, he would come real hard on islamic terror, taking the blame away from islamic
govts to a few odd terrorists and then propose appeasement and measures to help the islamic world as a reward for
their terror and proliferation efforts.

he wants to address the symptoms of terror, while protecting its sources pakistan and saudi arabia.

If you pay attention to another such chameleon ,fareed zakria, he'd also try to come off as die hard conservative but then propose appeasement towards iran.

In my opinion Ijaz mansoor does the bidding for Pakistan, while fareed zakria for iran.

mansoor's recent spin was to sell F-16's to pakistan, citing pakistan's security concerns.

While in reality, pakistan needs the F-16's to defend its WMD facilities against a US, israeli or indian led airstrikes.

The pakis are such crooks that during the 80's they had campaigned to convince us to sell them AWACS so that they could defend their facilities from an american or israeli lead airstrike.

he wants us to give pakistan aircraft that would most likely be used by pakistan against US forces, since the paki nuclear facilities pose the greatest threat to america, considering pakistan support to al qaeda and taliban.

When looking at pakistan, you have to see beyond musharraf at the possibility of these nukes falling into the hands of
jihadis

this is the country that supported al qaeda and the taliban. Musharraf withdrew support to the taliban, only when he was threatened with a US led war against pakistan. He himself had supported the taliban.

Mobile nukes in the hands of the creators of al qaeda and taliban is a nightmare for the entire civilized world


25 posted on 07/05/2004 1:48:17 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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To: reformedliberal

The guy is a stud.


26 posted on 07/05/2004 1:49:06 PM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: Cincinna
He is a great analyst with apparantly excellent sources.

Who seems to be full of crap most of the time. Only reason he's popular here is that he comes up with a lot of unique, exciting and/or terrifying stuff, which people have a real appetite for. That it rarely turns out to be true doesn't seem to bother people.

27 posted on 07/05/2004 1:51:02 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: My Favorite Headache

I'm not sure where anyone with a brain would get the idea that everyone on Fox News Channel is a hard-core conservative Republican. The only people who make that claim are the whacked-out extreme lefties. Greta Van Susteren is a bona fide Clinton toady, Geraldo Rivera is on Fox, and I'm sure there are others as well.


28 posted on 07/05/2004 1:52:40 PM PDT by jpl ("America's greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come." - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Strategerist

He always strikes me as a male Rita Cosby.

Ya know, his "sources" and all!


29 posted on 07/05/2004 1:54:22 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: Strategerist
Only reason he's popular here is that he comes up with a lot of unique, exciting and/or terrifying stuff, which people have a real appetite for. That it rarely turns out to be true doesn't seem to bother people.

He also hates Clinton, which is a big plus around here.

Christopher Hitchens enjoys the same fawning adoration on FR, simply because he trashed Clinton.

That he despised Ronald Reagan, and thought Mother Teresa was running a scam doesn't seem to register.

Hitchens, like Ijaz, knows where his bread is buttered, and throws just enough bones to remain iconic.

30 posted on 07/05/2004 1:56:08 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Charlie Danniels supports Democrats

Can you stand another jolt? Toby Keith is an Independent.

31 posted on 07/05/2004 1:56:38 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Ijaz worked for the Klinton administration. Let us not forget the facts.


32 posted on 07/05/2004 2:07:23 PM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: reformedliberal

He once stated on FOX that his wife was Kuwaiti.


33 posted on 07/05/2004 2:15:37 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: My Favorite Headache

if you pay attention to ijaz mansoor and fareed zakria,
You'd think that they both are tough on the islamic world.

This is because they are tough with rhetoric. But if you look at the policy measures that these two individuals propose against the islamic world, you'd always see them to appease the islamic world, contradicting their earlier rhetoric.

These authors would gain our trust with a strong rhetoric that capitalizes on sinister things we already know about the islamic world. These are things so big, that even these crooks can't lie to hide them.

But their measures on dealing with the islamic world would always be those of appeasement.

they would always try to take the blame away from islamic govts and societies and put it on a few radicals to save the islamic world from reprisals.

they would always stop short of decisive measures against the islamic world.

Fareed zakria was a proponent of the war against iraq, but he proposes appeasement against a far greater threat, iran.

he is exceptionally gifted with crooks. he would accuse iran of many things to gain your trust, but at the end say that war is not the way to go with iran, so that he can buy iran the time it needs to build the nukes.

mansoor on the other hand wants us to give pakistan f-16's, so it can defend its WMD facilities against a US led attack at some time in the future.

Pakistan is mansoor Ijaz's country of origin, while fareed zakria derives his spiritual strength from iran.

they would always defend these countries.


34 posted on 07/05/2004 2:20:07 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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To: jerrydavenport
You're missing the main player in your analysis: China.

China is Pakistan's main partner in the nuke game, and is Iran's main customer for oil. The ChiComs are basically the main source of all terrorism, as paymasters, intelligence providers, and ideological mentors. Using proxies to fight their wars is perfectly in line with ChiCom standard methods, and the use of terrorism is classic Stalinism at its' most pure.

35 posted on 07/05/2004 2:42:15 PM PDT by datura (Vote Democrat, and You've Voted Communist. Move Out Of America.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

but it almost happened in Jordan, exact same scenario he discussed only different taget


36 posted on 07/05/2004 2:56:29 PM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: jerrydavenport
Pakistan is mansoor Ijaz's country of origin

Actually, he is American born and raised. He is just as much American as we are. How dare you virtually accuse the man of treason with nothing but air to back your claim:

mansoor ijaz most likely works for the paki intelligence service.

Why are you so determined to discredit this man with innuendo? You call him a "liar" and a "crook" without troubling us with a shred of evidence. What are you afraid of?

37 posted on 07/05/2004 2:58:14 PM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: My Favorite Headache

everybody calm down. Ijaz has always been upfront with the fact that he was a democrat, how does anyone NOT know this. Anyone who pays attention to his story knows that he knows about Sudan's offer to turn over Bin Laden to Clinton because he was brokering the deal due to his connections as a fund raiser for Clinton. This is not a secret people. He does however go on to slam Clinton and Richard Clarke (among other dem favorites) for their dishonesty about terrorism and is supportive of Bush's war on terrorism.


38 posted on 07/05/2004 3:01:11 PM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Mansoor Ijaz spins it more to the left when he's on Charlie Rose (PBS), though I can't say his facts ever change. IMO, for a PBS program, Rose offers a pretty good balance & it's rare for me to get an urge to put my shoe into my television when watching his show. Still, there are times when I can't stomach his show, so if he has some real lefty guest, I just tune in elsewhere.


39 posted on 07/05/2004 3:04:35 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: arasina; My Favorite Headache
Where are the records for his contributions after 2000?

That was my question exactly.

And after 9/11 and the WOT.

I thought he was just an analyst who had an inside track into the middle east...which rarely is correct if I might add.

That's true. He sounds great making some detailed and interesting point which never or seldom pan out.

40 posted on 07/05/2004 3:08:05 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: Cincinna

THE ED KOCH? Yes, I have heard his coming out for Bush dozens of times...but the following fact is disturbing:

Why is this the case then?

Koch, Edward
New York, NY 10104
Bryan Cave LLP/Attorney GEPHARDT, RICHARD A (D)
President
GEPHARDT FOR PRESIDENT INC. $1000 06/30/03


41 posted on 07/05/2004 3:12:03 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

"CHARLES S (D)
Senate - VA ROBB FOR THE SENATE $1000 04/13/00 IJAZ, MANSOOR NEW YORK, NY 10017..

Robb? Virginia? Aw come on..he's been gone for years.

He's not coming back...is he? Please....


42 posted on 07/05/2004 3:14:12 PM PDT by OpusatFR (I only see movies for the popcorn. I'd rather read the book.)
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To: Cincinna
He is NYC's Zell Miller.

Your comment on Ed Koch is what I was about to say about Ijaz; since the donations appear to have stopped after the RATS went way over the line, maybe he is that rarest of creatures, an honest Zell Miller style Democrat.

43 posted on 07/05/2004 3:18:13 PM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

There are a lot of folks who vote dem. out of habit,or because they feel the dems are more in sync with them.
That doesn't make them the enemy-per se-and it's often worthwhile to try to persuade them to support a reasonably conservative candidate,if they can do so privately.


44 posted on 07/05/2004 3:36:44 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: JimRed

Koch, Edward
New York, NY 10104
Bryan Cave LLP/Attorney GEPHARDT, RICHARD A (D)
President
GEPHARDT FOR PRESIDENT INC. $1000 06/30/03




45 posted on 07/05/2004 3:38:07 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: My Favorite Headache; All

Ijaz was a Democrat, but he voted for President Bush in 2000.

Here's an article that might answer some questions written by Ijaz

http://www.benadorassociates.com/pf.php?id=66

Shifting trends in voter loyalties
by Mansoor Ijaz
Washington Times
August 12, 2002

Americans practice the most advanced form of citizenship known to mankind. But the essential ingredient of our experiment in self-rule is maintaining transparency and truth in our public discourse so we as individual citizens are informed well enough to make the judgments that impact our collective societal good.

That is why the recent spate of self-congratulatory commentaries from 2004 Democratic presidential hopefuls is such a discouraging indicator of the health of our democracy.

I confess that as a Democrat in the Scoop Jackson mold who raised or donated almost a million dollars to various Democratic causes from 1993 until 1999, I voted for George Bush in 2000. Not because I espoused or embraced his compassionate conservatism, but because I could not support Al Gore's politically deceptive campaign in which many of the Clinton era promises to the very Americans they had helped empower — American Muslims key among them — were broken.

When I hosted Mr. Gore at my home in September 1996, he proudly celebrated ours as the new voices of the Democratic Party's big tent embrace. But his stewardship over a catastrophically arrogant 2000 presidential campaign that rewarded the very "forces of greed" he today admonishes demonstrates how out of touch he was then and how Democrats cannot afford to be led by the same mistakes today.

On Nov. 10, 2000, members of the Democratic Leadership Council came together in New York to understand how defeat had been snatched from the jaws of victory. Analysis of key exit poll data then told a compelling story, one that is worth recanting now as Democrats prepare to contest for all-important midterm elections this fall.

Middle class migration: In 1996, voters earning less than $50,000 annually formed 61 percent of the electorate and voted overwhelmingly in every income category for Clinton-Gore over Dole-Kemp. In 2000, voters earning less than $50,000 formed only 48 percent of the electorate and voted much less enthusiastically for Gore-Lieberman across the sub-$50,000 earnings spectrum. The biggest shift was in the 13 percent band of migrating middle-class Americans, those moved into $50,000-plus income categories by the Clinton-Gore economic miracle, who voted decisively for Bush-Cheney.

Education in the migrating middle class was also a factor. High-school graduates or voters with some college education, representing more than 50 percent of the electorate, voted by double digit margins for Clinton-Gore in 1996. In 2000, these same voters gave Bush-Cheney the nod by meaningful single digit margins. Their reason: Mr. Gore failed to target them with a message that resonated with their shifting social and economic needs.

Rather, his strategists chose to stand him outside steel mills in Pennsylvania hoping for big voter blocks to turn out on Election Day.

Minority demographics: While black voters turned out in higher numbers for the Democratic ticket in 2000, Mr. Bush gained 12 percent more of the Hispanic vote than Robert Dole earned in 1996. Hispanic voters made up almost as large a segment of the minority vote (8 percent) as blacks (10 percent) in 2000. Another significant Gore miscalculation was ignoring the Arab and Muslim vote in favor of Jewish voters who were already in the Democratic camp.

In 1996, Arabs and Muslims voted by a 3-to-1 margin for Clinton-Gore. In 2000, with an expanded and much more informed voter base of several million votes, the Arab-Muslim bloc dramatically shifted to Bush-Cheney by a 3-to-1 margin, effectively wiping out the Lieberman effect for Mr. Gore.

Shifting cultural values and soccer moms: One of the more compelling paradoxes of Mr. Gore's campaign was losing the religious vote. Adding a religious conservative to the ticket did little to help at the polling booth with the majority of Americans who attend churches, synagogues or mosques either weekly or more than once a week. They voted overwhelmingly for Bush-Cheney. Those who said they never attended religious institutions voted by a 3-to-1 margin for Gore-Lieberman.

Married couples voted by 8 percent for Mr. Bush over Mr. Gore. Soccer moms (couples with children) voted by 14 percent for the Bush ticket. Even Internet users, now 70 percent of the electorate, voted for Bush-Cheney by slim margins.

Mr. Gore failed to craft a message for the very voters Democrats had helped migrate up the curve of American opportunity. Lamenting that loss today will not help Democrats to address pressing matters on the national agenda.

The time has come to end obfuscation, misdirection and an inability to accept responsibility as the hallmarks of Democratic leadership in this country. We need to usher in a new generation of Democrats who can acknowledge shortcomings, credit political opponents with what they do right as America weathers the storm of its foreign adversaries, and build a strategy that continues to empower America's disenfranchised in a way that makes us better able to cope with emerging threats — together, as Americans.


46 posted on 07/05/2004 3:46:32 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: nathanbedford; Destro; SJackson; Sabertooth; katy4now; My Favorite Headache; RussianConservative

well this man's father was a pakistani nuclear scientist.

i am not using any innuendos here.

Pakistani ties to alqaeda and taliban are no secret.

neither is pakistan's nuclear proliferation to iran, libya and north korea.

infact Pakistan is responsible for all your present day proliferation and terror

yet instead of asking for this country to be taken out and broken into small little states that can never threaten america again, mansoor wants to give it F-16's to defend itself from a US led attack in the future.

I mean this guy is either dumb or he's a traitor. You tell me which one he is.

if we had proof of his treason, he'd be in jail right?

but we can still draw conclusions from his policy statements can't we?

I mean this guy is a liberal under a liberal govt, a conservative under a conservative one.

He is neither a liberal nor a conservative, swapping his loyalties depending on whose in govt.

however their is just one consistency in all his stances, he always supports pakitan.

what conclusions would you draw there.


47 posted on 07/05/2004 4:49:15 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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To: datura; Destro; RussianConservative; katy4now; SJackson; Sabertooth; McGruff

I seriously doubt china would sponsor terror, considering it's own islamic minority

China has strong ties to pakistan. But it also has very good trade relations with us.

We need to move china away from pakistan. we don't need to push it towards pakistan and iran.

China is too big. it doesn't threaten our interests and it can really be a destabilizing force if we push china into the islamic fold.

the muslims would love to have china, russia and europe on their side.

We don't have to be fools to let that happen, we already have our hands full with 1 billion muslims.

How would alienating china and pushing it into the islamic fold help us? I mean every action has to justify a purpose right?

what do you want to do with china and why do you want to do it?

we need to just stay focused on the islamic world and take china, russia and europe alongwith us to deny the islamic world allies.


48 posted on 07/05/2004 4:58:11 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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To: nathanbedford; SJackson; Destro; katy4now

what would you call a guy who has no loyalties to either the liberal or the conservative american thought, but strong loyalties to pakistan and the islamic world under both the liberals and conservatives?


49 posted on 07/05/2004 5:02:55 PM PDT by jerrydavenport
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To: jerrydavenport

If our hands are full against 1 billion muslims what are we doing spending 126 billion setting up Muslim governments in both Iraq and Afghanistan and spending millions in aid to many Muslim countries like Egypt and Turkey?

Also, why are there 8-10 Million Muslims in the United States growing daily?

People like you that see the entire Muslim population as your enemy live in a strange warped fantasy world. Apparently you don't get the fact that the Iraqi government and the Afghani government are Muslim nor that there are millions of American Muslims here.

War is against a radical sect of fundamentalists, not the 1 billion Muslims in the world nor fellow Americans.


50 posted on 07/05/2004 5:54:51 PM PDT by freedom44
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