WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WACO

And the Dums are making such a fuss against Bush and the "panty POW's"?
THIS is nothing less them a crime against humanity. AND...don't forget WHO the CO was of Delta Force....(hint: he was running for President.)

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/pyrotech.htm

Hey! I didn't hear about this in Bill's new book.

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Actually Clark was the CG of the 1st Cav at Ft Hood, not Delta (Clark supplied the armor at Waco) .... the then said CO of Delta is now the Chief of Staff of the US Army.

Roger Waters, who wrote and sang most of Pink Floyd's best music-"Another Brick in the Wall." "Welcome to the Machine," and other songs that have been banned in totalitarian regimes throughout the world-is touring the United States. In a line from the song "Mother" at Start Lake Amphitheater near Pittsburgh this summer, the band roared, "Mother, should I trust the government?"

"No," yelled the crowd of 15,000 mostly 20-and 30-something concert goers.

Now, with new admissions by the FBI that after six years of denials by Janet "Butch" Reno and the FBI, pyrotechnic tear gas canisters were used on the final day of the 1993 government standoff with the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas, mistrust of government will justifiably grow, and it should soar among leftists who have been obstinately oblivious to what many view as the totalitarian instincts of the Clinton administration. Even Lynn Samuel's, WABC's super-liberal talk show host, now says she'll stand with Bob Barr and Henry Hyde to impeach this president if it's shown that Bill Clinton knew that incendiary devices were used by government agents at Waco.

"This is not an assault," said the voice of a government official at the scene as an M-60 tank tore off the wall of the Branch Davidians' home and shot tear gas in their faces. To protect the 25 children inside from child abuse, U.S. federal agents harassed the Davidians and their children at night with massive floodlights, blaring recordings of screaming, slaughtered rabbits, and loudspeakers blaring Nancy Sinatra singing "These Boots Are Made For Walking." Though allegations of child abuse were never proven, and the Davidians had fewer guns per capita than the average Texan, Janet "the drunk" Reno authorized the agents to saturate the house with CS gas, a gas that is banned by international law as chemical warfare and which medical literature warns may cause pneumonia and death." Before ordering the attack, Reno was informed that gas masks wouldn't fit the children.

"I was frankly surprised to see that anyone would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves," President Clinton said at the time. "There is unfortunately a rise in this sort of fanaticism all over the world," he continued. "And we may have to confront it again." Bob's note: this quote by Clinton and that he and Reno knew in advance of the particulars about the attack before it was mounted has now been established by the paper trail. Clinton's statement is so incredibly callous that I would not have even expected it out of Hitler.
Hitler never accused anyone of "murdering themselves".

Incinerated in the April 19, 1993, massacre were not just what Clinton referred to as a bunch of religious fanatics and gun nuts, but a little 6-year-old girl, Serendipity Sea Jones, and Wayne Martin, a black Harvard Law School graduate, the daughter of a police officer in Hawaii, the son of a New York fireman, an Israeli named Pablo Cohen, and the eight-month-pregnant Aisha Summers, age 17, and her 1 year old daughter, Startle. On some, the roof fell in. Others were burned beyond recognition like one 7 to 8 year old boy who, according to the Justice Department, was buried alive and suffocated in his bunker.

Jack Wheeler, a contributing editor at Strategic Investments Newsletter, summed it up quite well: "Let me state things clearly. It is one thing to be laughably incompetent, quite another to be murderously incompetent. I think the President should be impeached and the Attorney General indicted for murder. To hear how over 20 children endured a nightmare of torture by CS poison gas, and then see the Attorney General praised in Congress (Bob's note: this is why I am no longer supporting either national political party-they were too gutless to do anything but go along with the sociopaths in charge) and hear the President ruthlessly dismiss their deaths in a tone of voice as devoid of humanity as Lenin's, has for the first time in my life made me ashamed of being an American."

Even assuming the worst, that cult leader David Koresh, an alleged paranoid with a messiah complex, was a child-abuser stockpiling weapons, and acknowledging that he and/or others within the Waco compound killed four ATF agents who were armed with a plan for a "dynamic entry" that might have involved agents shooting their way into the house, government agents were still obligated not to use excessive force that could result in harm to the 25 children and more than 50 adults, the majority of whom were women, in order to capture Koresh. The ATF has never adequately explained why they were there with such a show of force in the first place, when David Koresh made many trips to stores in town, according to the local sheriff, and could have been apprehended there.

Like the long missing evidence of tear gas canisters, reports the Wall Street Journal, the steel front door of the house that might provide evidence on who shot first is also missing. Even if it's proven that Koresh was driven to heightened paranoia by having his phone and power cut off, by being refused medical care, being bombarded with the sounds of dentist drills and blaring rabbit screams-driven crazy enough to shoot at federal agents and burn down his own house-after months of planning and 51 days of a standoff, the FBI and the White House had nothing but time to come up with a reasonable solution. Many experts are claiming that government agents "should have known" what could happen.

For 51 days, FBI agents in Waco repeatedly ignored the advice of their own Behavioral Science Unit that recommended a "soft" approach. Special Agents Pete Smerick and Mark Young wrote a caution on March 5, 1993: "In traditional hostage situations, a strategy which has been successful has been negotiations coupled with ever increasing tactical presence. In this situation, however, it is believed this strategy, if carried to excess, could eventually be counterproductive and could result in loss of life." Harvard psychiatrist Alan A. Stone, one of 10 outside experts asked by the Justice Department to review the events surrounding the siege, wrote in a blistering 46-page critique that Reno was "ill-advised" in approving the final assault, calling it "a misguided and punishing law enforcement strategy that contributed to the tragic ending."

Nancy T. Ammerman, a visiting scholar at Princeton, also evaluated Waco for the Justice Department, concluding that the government's approach "was based on building up a legal paramilitary type assault on the compound. In that atmosphere, I believe, it became easy to lose sight of the human dynamics of the group involved, to plan as if the group were indeed a military target."

For Dick DeGuerin, Koresh's attorney, the Waco tragedy was the result of incredible bungling, if not outright chicanery, on the part of the ATF and the FBI-aided and abetted, however unwittingly, by Janet "lesbian" Reno, an attorney general who was "new on the job and out of her depth." A year after the tragedy, DeGuerin, a trial attorney of 28 years who was seasoned enough not to take his trial successes and failures personally, was still furious over his last meeting prior to the fire with FBI agent Jeffrey Jamar, the agent in charge of the 51 day siege, a meeting at which he had assured the agent that in his best considered judgment the Davidians would voluntarily leave the compound in about two weeks. DeGurein says Jamar assured him that time was not a factor. "None of this had to happen," says DeGuerin.

In the face of this unprecedented attack on American citizens by agents of their own government, a deadly assault that sparked the militia movement as well as the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, an unprecedented silence befell the press. "No one stepped forward to be the Davidians' friend," writes Richard Shweder, author of "Thinking Through Cultures," in the New York Times. "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms spent months planning and rehearsing the largest 'law enforcement' operation of its 200-year history. This turned out to be a major military operation, worthy of a police state, carried out against the domestic residence of an unpopular and readily stigmatized religious community. The ACLU does not like guns, and it's very busy, so it didn't get involved. The religious leaders of our country do not like 'cults,' and the women's movement does not like patriarchal living arrangements, so they didn't much care. And no one wanted to seem sympathetic to 'child abuse' or unsympathetic to the FBI."

"Where Is The Press?" wrote one of the Davidian residents on a sheet hung out the window of the women's quarters of the Waco compound. The press, also a captive of the government as well as its own biases, was kept at bay two miles down the road. The press, coming too late with too little to this story, is only now beginning to wake up. The Dallas Morning News and WorldNetDaily are reporting, contrary to recent statements by Janet "arrested-for-drunk-driving-over-10-times" Reno and the Clinton administration, according to classified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (Bob's note: one of the only things Jimmy Carter ever did right) as well as WND's sources within the Special Forces, that not only did Reno seek the involvement of the Army's Commando Unit, Delta Force, but she was warned at a meeting she attended with Webster Hubbell and others that the use of CS tear gas could cause "some people to panic. Mothers may run off and leave infants."

WorldNetDaily's source states that he believes, writes Betsy Gibson, that Delta Force was reluctant to get involved at WACO: "I believe the Delta Force colonel didn't want to be directly involved in it, and did not want to be dragged into it. Delta Force operators and Task Force 160 operators continually cautioned the FBI against attempting an 'open air assault' on the target, and stated emphatically that they did not want to be involved in firing on or assaulting American civilians." These official and unofficial comments went ignored, says WND, and, in fact, one Special Operations officer was threatened with court-martial if he continued to protest,(Bob's note: it has now been found out that some dumbass in the military actually wanted to have medals made and awarded for this murder as if it was just like a war. Fortunately some brown nose in Congress stopped it before it could embarrass anyone.) the source said. At another point in the document, Delta Force personnel explain to Reno that Special Forces encounters are almost always militaristic and involve outright enemies who are often heavily armed. Delta Force explains that in its standard modus operandi it is "the principles of surprise, speed and violence of action" that are "essential to any operation," along with the strategy that "momentum should be maintained and ground gained should not be relinquished." A WND military source says "violence of action" usually refers to killing the "hostiles."

A former Special Forces commando states that he recently spoke with a Delta Force commando who was present at the final tear-gas assault on the Branch Davidian compound. Keith Idema, a member of Special Forces and Special Operations units from 1975 to 1992, helped train hostage rescue team personnel for both Delta Force and the FBI. He maintains that the video footage from Waco showing a bright light flashing inside the building moments before the fire broke out have been misidentified as a fire that was started by Branch Davidian leader David Koresh, when, in fact, to the trained eye of a Special Forces explosive expert, it is unmistakably a flash caused by a "concussion grenade" that had been lobbed inside the compound. A concussion grenade employs a brilliant and a loud bang to render an enemy in its vicinity blind, deaf and immobile for a brief period during which commandos can overpower them. Such grenades should be used only for military purposes and are wholly inappropriate, if not illegal, for use in a situation involving women and children-an in any situation where potentially inflammable tear gas is still hanging in the air, the former Special Forces operative told WorldNetDaily.

Anyone who has seen the movie "Waco: The Rules Of Engagement," an Academy Award nominated film about Waco, will remember scenes of a 51 day standoff against a group comprised mostly of women and children, helicopters firing at the compound and soldiers machine-gunning the building as it burned. Watching "Rules of Engagement" compels one to wonder exactly who are the paranoids with the messiah complex-David Koresh or administration officials and government agents. Now, there is a new home video by the same producers, "Waco, A New Revelation," obtainable from MGA Films Inc. at 1-800-277-9802.

This article was written by Sarah J. McCarthy. She is co-author with Ralph R. Reiland of "Mom & Pop vs. the Dreambusters: The Small Business Revolt Against Big Government," now available on Amazon.com. This article was published by ©WorldNetDaily Tuesday August 31, 1999 and is copyrighted by WND.

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This article was published by ©WorldNetDaily Tuesday August 31, 1999 and is copyrighted by WND.

Does anybody know if Clinton talked about Waco in his book?

Thanks for posting it.

Never Forget

CLINTON LIED about Waco DOZENS DIED
CLINTON LIED about Bosnia THOUSANDS DIED
CLINTON LIED about North Korea THOUSANDS DIED
CLINTON LIED about Whitewater VINCE FOSTER DIED
CLINTON LIED about Rwanda HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DIED
CLINTON LIED about Al Qaeda THREE THOUSAND DIED

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The Enemy Within!!!!

My coin is 2-75th .... RLTW .... yes

I went to the linked page and now I can say I am officially legally blind.

I have a few problems with this "article". First of all nothing screams conspiracy freak, like a web page with about 50 different colors diplayed over a background of exploding fireworks.

Nonetheless, I was able to work my way through the text, and nowhere could I find the actual admissions by the FBI quoted. It seems to me that if the FBI said, "Yes we used incendiary tear gas canisters at Waco," It would have made headline news.

Can someone enlighten me as to where the FBI has ever admitted to using incendiary tear gas?

Ummm...
I agree with most of what's said here, but....
can someone tell me why it's posted today??

All very satisfying and perhaps pertinent to Abu Ghrab..whatever.
But why's it being posted?

...a deadly assault that sparked the militia movement

That's a good article but I disagree with that one statement. The militia movement was around before Waco and for the most part wasn't anti-government at all. It was simply pro-Bill of Rights.

Isn't she a little late?

Hey, flyboy, ping me if necessary: I know the FR Waco library, somewhat.

"I was frankly surprised to see that anyone would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves," President Clinton said at the time."

Agree; despite Clinton's efforts to the contrary; a word of truth always escapes him. 'Murdered' is the truth of this horrendous story; and Clinton's practiced callous response; was just that.

But we knew then - these victims had just been added to the bodycount in the Libs trash heap of history.

Does anybody know if Clinton talked about Waco in his book?

Who cares what that lying SOB thinks? The question is, did George Bush ever talk about it? After all, it happened in his back yard. He had to have personally known some of those people. Or at least people that knew them.

I know he doesn't like to badmouth the previous administration, but this is something that he needs a d*mned opinion on!