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US terror plot to ‘wipe out a neighbourhood’
The Sunday Times ^ | June 13, 2004 | John Follain

Posted on 06/12/2004 4:29:09 PM PDT by MadIvan

A MAN linked to Al-Qaeda and believed to have helped to mastermind the Madrid train bombings was overheard last month describing a plot for a woman to carry out a chemical or germ attack in America that he said would “wipe out an entire neighbourhood”.

The Italian warrant for the arrest of Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, 32, an Egyptian seized in a suburb of Milan last week, details transcripts of bugged conversations and telephone calls in which he not only boasted of his involvement in the Spanish attack of March 11 but also spoke of future plans. The Spanish government has said it will seek the extradition of Ahmed — also known as “Mohamed the Egyptian”.

Ahmed moved to Milan in early April. Police surveillance teams nicknamed him “the trainer” because of his practice of befriending Muslim immigrants, finding out who was most dissatisfied with the West and asking: “What are you doing to change the situation?” A former Egyptian army explosives expert, he bears a sign of his religious devotion on his forehead — a weal caused by striking his head hard on the ground during Muslim prayers.

Bugs placed by anti-terrorist police in Ahmed’s one-bedroom flat recorded a conversation on May 26 with Yahia Payumi, 21, a Palestinian who was also later arrested.

After denouncing the torture by American troops of “our brothers in Iraq”, Ahmed was quoted as saying: “Hotaf has been prepared with many medicinal products. If they throw one stick, they wipe out an American neighbourhood.”

Although the woman named Hotaf was said to have been discovered, other women were ready to replace her, Ahmed added. “Amal, Hanan, Fatiha — you only need to call them and they come. God is great.”

A senior investigator said he believed Ahmed was referring to plans for a chemical or bacteriological attack.

Professor Paul Wilkinson, a terrorism expert at St Andrews University, said: “Al-Qaeda is more advanced on weaponising chemicals rather than biological agents, so I should think we’re talking about sarin gas, a cyanide-based weapon or a nerve gas.”

In the same May 26 conversation, Ahmed claimed responsibility for the Spanish bombings. “The Madrid attack was a project of mine and those who died as martyrs are my dear friends,” he said. “I, too, was ready to be blown up but they stopped me and we obey the will of God.”

In the arrest warrant, the Milan investigating magistrates Armando Spataro and Maurizio Romanelli wrote that Ahmed “undoubtedly played a role within Al-Qaeda”, both in organising the Madrid bombings in which 191 people died and in planning other attacks.

He first came to the attention of Milan police after Spanish authorities passed on their discovery of an Italian mobile phone used by Ahmed. Its number featured on the mobiles of four other people linked to the Madrid attack.

Italian investigators say Ahmed, who has lived in Germany, Spain, France and Belgium in the past four years, was responsible for recruiting prospective suicide bombers, and co-ordinated terrorist cells in Europe and beyond.

Two groups of suicide bombers were due to leave for Iraq in late June, he claimed. “We have to be everywhere — in Germany, the Netherlands and London. We are dominating Europe with our presence.”

In another telephone conversation, on May 29, Ahmed spoke to a Moroccan known only as Mourad, who lived in Belgium and was due in Paris soon to meet a terrorist apparently preparing to carry out a suicide attack.

According to Italian newspapers, Ahmed’s cell was planning an attack on the Paris underground, but this was denied by the investigating magistrates in Milan. They also denied press reports that other targets included Nato headquarters in Brussels and the European parliament in Strasbourg.

The transcripts reveal how Ahmed gradually managed to persuade Payumi to become a suicide bomber. “We young people must be the first ones to sacrifice ourselves,” he said. When Payumi finally announces, “I am ready to sacrifice myself,” Ahmed replies: “Consider yourself already in paradise.”


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Note, out of all the countries this terrorist lived in, it was only a genuinely Allied nation (Italy) that picked him up, The Germans, French and Belgians should be ashamed.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 06/12/2004 4:29:10 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Judith Anne; Desdemona; alnick; knews_hound; faithincowboys; hillary's_fat_a**; redbaiter; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/12/2004 4:29:38 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan

Thanks for posting.


3 posted on 06/12/2004 4:36:45 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: MadIvan

Forza Italia!


4 posted on 06/12/2004 4:39:20 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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To: MadIvan

After denouncing the torture by American troops of “our brothers in Iraq”, Ahmed was quoted as saying: “Hotaf has been prepared with many medicinal products. If they throw one stick, they wipe out an American neighbourhood.”

This turd calls panties on the head torture compared to what his sicko "brothers" do?


5 posted on 06/12/2004 4:39:32 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: MadIvan

This has nothing to do with the thread but you are so lucky to have the "Iron Lady" as an icon. Her and Reagan were soul mates.


We love the "Iron Lady" too!


6 posted on 06/12/2004 4:39:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: MadIvan; Coop; Cap Huff; Boot Hill; swarthyguy
After denouncing the torture by American troops of “our brothers in Iraq”, Ahmed was quoted as saying: “Hotaf has been prepared with many medicinal products. If they throw one stick, they wipe out an American neighbourhood.”

Although the woman named Hotaf was said to have been discovered, other women were ready to replace her, Ahmed added. “Amal, Hanan, Fatiha — you only need to call them and they come. God is great.”

A senior investigator said he believed Ahmed was referring to plans for a chemical or bacteriological attack.

7 posted on 06/12/2004 4:46:28 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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...he said. “I, too, was ready to be blown up but they stopped me and we obey the will of God.”

I wonder how much convincing it took? I am sure he is a religious man!!! Not!

8 posted on 06/12/2004 4:47:22 PM PDT by pageonetoo (rights, what Rights'. You're kidding, right? This is Amerika!)
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To: MadIvan

Welcome back, amigo....I saw that big old flag and had to see if Mad Ivan were back with us!


9 posted on 06/12/2004 4:48:12 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Democrats assume Republicans lie as much as they do.)
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"God is great.”

God is TICKED you slimey piece of dung!

“I, too, was ready to be blown up but they stopped me and we obey the will of God.”

Bull. You have no problem sending underlings to do your dirty work but you stop short of lighting the fuse on yourself, you lying coward.

Prairie

10 posted on 06/12/2004 4:49:07 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Several hundred million men, women and children from former Soviet Union, live today due to Reagan)
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To: MadIvan

"I, too, was ready to be blown up but they stopped me and we obey the will of God."

Horse hockey Ahmed....you are a coward who has everyone else blowing themselves up. When are these Muslims going to wake up?


11 posted on 06/12/2004 4:53:26 PM PDT by Arpege92 (Republicans believe everyday is the 4th of July, Democrats believe everyday is April 15th - Gipper)
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To: MadIvan
"We are dominating Europe with our presence.”

Everyone, get ready.

12 posted on 06/12/2004 4:56:56 PM PDT by realpatriot
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When are these Muslims going to wake up?

When one of them comes back from Hell to tell the real story of paradise!

13 posted on 06/12/2004 4:57:23 PM PDT by crusty codger (Arrogance often covers a minimum of intelligence)
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To: realpatriot

Maybe we should give 'em a list? Upper West Side, Castro Valley?


14 posted on 06/12/2004 4:58:49 PM PDT by MoralSense
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To: MadIvan
I hate to say it, but it is a strong possibility he will be acquitted. Italy recently acquitted several terror suspects, although the evidence included maps of the US Embassy, and chemical compounds to poison the embassy's water supply. There were also apparently phone taps including discussions of bombs & Kalishnikovs. But they were let go.

And yes... this is still more - an actual arrest - than Germany, France and Belgium are doing. Let's hope they stick it to this one.

15 posted on 06/12/2004 5:07:29 PM PDT by cgk ("If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.")
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To: prairiebreeze
It is wrong to substitute the word "Allah" for God. The Muslims cry, "Allah is Great" not "Jehovah is Great" or "The Triune God is Great" and PCing it up is dishonest.
16 posted on 06/12/2004 5:08:08 PM PDT by fatidic (fatidic : of or relating to prophecy)
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To: fatidic

Hey, crab at the Sunday Times.


17 posted on 06/12/2004 5:10:12 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Several hundred million men, women and children from former Soviet Union, live today due to Reagan)
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for the thread. And thanks for Baroness Thatcher. Her eulogy left a lump in my throat. What an extraordinary lady.

Note to the Dems: You all keep right on whining about how terror suspects are being treated.

18 posted on 06/12/2004 5:11:29 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: cgk

Sadly, these people are being released left, right and center.

When are our judges and courts going to understand what's going on?


19 posted on 06/12/2004 5:14:54 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

When they themselves become targets.


20 posted on 06/12/2004 5:18:30 PM PDT by Dallas59
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