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N. Korea:I Participated In Chemical Weapon's Testing On Humans(interview,many details)
Futurekorea ^ | 06/11/04 | Kim bom-su

Posted on 06/11/2004 5:54:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

/start my translation

I Participated In Chemical Weapon's Testing On Humans

(S. Korean) Government to block the attempt to publicize the N. Korean human experiment -- N. Korean defector Mr. Chung's overseas travel banned.

On June 8th, the BBC documentary film, "Access to Evil", which aired in last February, was shown at both chambers of legislature in Washington D.C..

This program vividly uncovered the N. Korean human experiment of chemical weapons, using the testimonies of N. Korean defector(s). It evoked a great reaction in Europe and America. Last month, it was awarded ' the 2004 documentary award of the year' by Amnesty International.

We met Chung Dae-sung(alias) on June 4th, a chemist who took part in this human experiment. Mr. Chung was scheduled to go to U.S. on the next day to be at the event sponsored by both U.S. Senate and Congress. He was hiding at a place in Seoul to evade the surveillance of (S. Korean) authorities.

In a recent interview with a foreign media, Mr. Chung gave his testimony on the testing of chemical weapons on two political prisoners conducted at a lab in a military prison near Pyongyang. N. Korean defectors on many occasions testified about N. Korean chemical weapon's testing on human subjects. However, he is the first one who said that he actually conducted the experiment.

Scratching Floors, Kicking and Screaming

Q: How and when did you participated in the experiment?

A: Around April, 1979, in the experiment at political prisoners' camp in Pyongsung City near Pyongyang. At the time, I was at the Hamheung Chemical Lab. A friend of mine at 'Deadly Chemical Lab' contacted me to help out with the process of separating Nitrochlorobenzine(NCB, a deadly chemical.) After I help it out for three months, I joined the human experiment because I could get an award for participating the secret experiment by state.


Q: What was the purpose of the experiment?

A: Administer a mix of deadly chemical agents and observe its effect and (human subject's) reaction. In order to obtain a funding for the production of chemical agents, you need to submit accurate estimate of required materials to calculate the amount of production cost. In particular, separating Nitrochlorobenzine would yield Ortho(?) Nitrochlorobenzine, which is mixed with Cyanide to produce a reliable deadly chemical agent. The objective of the experiment was to produce a reliable deadly chemical agent.


Q: How was an actual experiment conducted?

A: There were two political prisoners. We administered the first one with the mix of Cyanide gas and Chlorine gas, the second one with the mix of Cyanide and Ortho Nitrochlorobenzine. The first one died in three and a half hours, while the second one in two and a half hours.


Q: What was the reaction of human subjects?

A: The subjects were already in terrible shape even before the experiment. When they were dragged out of their tiny cells which are like rabbit cages, they could not even stretch their legs( and stand up). Gas(of mixed chemicals) were injected(into the room), they were scratching floors and flailing in pain, while crouching on the floor. Their clothes got torn into rags in the process. They were so emaciated that they could not scream loudly. Instead they made weird noises. Nevertheless, the first subject made a really loud scream 10 minutes before his death. It was difficult for me to imagine how a starved man like him made such a loud sound. Ortho Nitrochlorobenzine destroys central nervous systems and also leads to the paralysis of respiratory organ and its eventual destruction. Cyanide causes acute respiratory damage along with the destruction of brain and internal organs.


Q: How did you observe the process?

A: There were five of us who made observations. We recorded the process while wearing a gas mask behind the glass wall of the lab. We made the record of the amount of time it took (for subjects) to suffocate and die.


Q: How did you feel at the time?

A: I did not feel much because only class struggle and class warfare were drilled into our head. We regarded political prisoners as subhuman. There is even a saying, "A murderer may get to live but a political prisoner won't." I just felt, "That is what happens if I go wrong. I should stay off trouble."


Q: Did you realize at the time that the experiment was for chemical weapon's development?

A: Sure. I knew that I was dutifully doing the defense project for military weapons.


Q: How often were the experiments conducted? Are they still doing them?

A: I am not sure. However, considering that they were running a well-equipped lab, it won't be an one-time project. The last time I saw that friend from 'Deadly Chemical Lab' was 1999. He was the head of the lab by then. To my knowledge, they had 500~600 personnels in the lab and their own production facilities.


(S. Korean) Government to silence his testimony of his involvement in the human experiment

Mr. Chung studied macro-molecular chemical engineering at XX Chemical Engineering College (note: the college's name not revealed here) and earned junior Doctorate at XX Research Institute(note: the name not revealed.) Until he escaped N. Korea in May, 2001, due to his frustration for not getting promoted into a position at the Party's Central Committee, he worked as the head of Perfume(Spice) Institute. He had wandered in China for 6 months before finally arriving in S. Korea on November 27th, 2001.

I was curious about why he is now belatedly revealing his work in the human experiment a few years after his arrival here. Another strange thing is that, even after he exposed the human experiment in his interview with foreign media, all (S. Korean) domestic media are still silent on this issue except one interview article on this April issue of Wolgan Chosun.


Q: Why did you reveal the human experiment only recently?

A: I never had a chance to. In an interview with LA times last March, it came up accidentally while talking about something else. I get to know the concept of 'human right abuse' only after I came here. Back in N. Korea, I considered (general) situation of political prisoners worse than that of the human experiment I participated in.


Q: You mean, personally, you view your participation in the human experiment as having no more significance than general human right abuse?

A: Looking back now, I feel, "I did something horrible." I cannot sleep when I get a flashback of the prisoners dying from chemical agents. The fact that I killed them myself makes quite a difference from the (general) fact that political prisoners dying of brutal human right abuse, don't you think?


Q: People point out that some N. Korean defectors exaggerate their ordeal in N. Korea...

A: (S. Korean) Government authorities tries t silence me. After the interview with LA Times was published, those from U.S. and S. Korean intelligence as well as experts came to me and checked out my stories. Those from S. Korean government gave me the impression that they want me to retract my story. However, I cannot deny what I did, don't you agree?


Mr. Chung tried to visit U.S. in last April to tell his story again. His attempt failed because (S. Korean) intelligence agency took away his passport. Wrapping up my interview at late night, I was anxious, wondering if he can make it to U.S. this time around. He was scheduled to give testimonies to both U.S. Senate and Congress, and interviews with major U.S. media.

The next day, 5th (of June, 2004), when Mr. Chung was supposed to depart for U.S., I got a phone call in the afternoon. Mr. Chung was stopped at the Departure/Arrival Approval Office at the airport.

"They treat defectors who hated N. Korea and came here as if they were criminals, banning their travels. Is this country really a democracy?", deplored Nam Jae-joong, the president of Aegis Foundation who arranged Mr. Chung's trip.

/end my translation


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chemicalweapon; cyanide; defector; humanexperiment; interview; nitrochlorobenzine; nkorea; northkorea; obstruction; politicalprisoners; skorea; testimony; travelban; wmd
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The behavior of S. Korean government is despicable. They are, in effect, collaborating with N. Koreans for a major coverup. In spite of this, they still have the nerve to say that they are 'moderate conservative.' Yeah, right! If that is the case, Hitlery is a Republican, too!
1 posted on 06/11/2004 5:54:36 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: AmericanInTokyo; OahuBreeze; yonif; risk; nuconvert; gandalftb; Boot Hill; eastforker; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/11/2004 5:58:58 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: jriemer; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie

Ping!


3 posted on 06/11/2004 5:59:59 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

But North Korea's socialism with free health care, jobs and education for all is what the left in America see as a just society...


4 posted on 06/11/2004 6:02:54 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo
This is a frightening commentary on the South Korean government's attitude towards North Korean refugees. It sounds like the BBC has vetted him and thinks him credible. And the left wing intellectuals complained about W's term, "Axis of Evil."
5 posted on 06/11/2004 6:04:12 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Freepmail me if you'd like to read one of my Christian historical romance novels!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Uday and Qusay did that type of stuff for fun..


6 posted on 06/11/2004 6:10:03 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Typo:

At the beginning of the answer to the last question in the article,

(S. Korean) Government authorities tries t tried to silence me

7 posted on 06/11/2004 6:19:31 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I had a hunch that South Korea was covering for the North in order to make a "reconcilliation" more likely. Of course, this is but the appearance of reconcilliation, more akin to surrender. One has to wonder if South Korea's current leadership has tyrannical ambitions of their own or if they are merely so craven to show progress to the public for political reasons. One thus has the choice between covert evil and a cover for incompetence in the face of a deadly foe.

Not a nice set of options. It would seem that the South Korean public is tiring of vigilance in the face of evil by denying the reality of that evil.


8 posted on 06/11/2004 6:41:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Hey the South is scared s**tless. No excuse for their behavoir, but they feel it's this or else.


9 posted on 06/11/2004 6:52:06 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Nice people. Of course they are best friends of Jimmy Carter and the Clintoons/Mad Halfbright.


10 posted on 06/11/2004 7:00:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them! ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: George from New England
No excuse for their behavoir, but they feel it's this or else.

To die slowly in slavery or die fighting isn't a hard choice. Fearing that choice, they lie to themselves in order to make slow death by slavery more palatable. The leadership even persecutes those who might pop the bubble by revealing the truth.

It doesn't say much for their character.

11 posted on 06/11/2004 7:00:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Re #8

Pro-North left try to package themselves as peacemaker, a new better way, while branding the conservatives as backward corrupt warmongers. With tree major TV networks stacked with pro-North people, nonstop media barrage brainwashed minds of gullible younger generation in their favor.

12 posted on 06/11/2004 7:08:22 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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Pro-North left try to package themselves as peacemaker, a new better way, while branding the conservatives as backward corrupt warmongers. With tree major TV networks stacked with pro-North people, nonstop media barrage brainwashed minds of gullible younger generation in their favor.

IOW, the same formula as is being used here. Gosh, what a surprise.

Antonio Gramsci laughs in his grave.

13 posted on 06/11/2004 7:26:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Last month, it was awarded ' the 2004 documentary award of the year' by Amnesty International.

What, they didn't give the award to Michael Moore? I'm sure many Hollywood people are making angry phone calls and there's some 'splainin' to do.

14 posted on 06/11/2004 7:31:46 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Shop smart. Shop S-Mart...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Matthew James

Pure communist evil.


15 posted on 06/11/2004 7:33:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I just went to "futureKorea" and got this
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all over the page.

I've seen this before but never knew how to 'translate it.

Anyway, I was in S. Korea from '65 - '67 as a GI in the 51st Sig Bn.

I was 17 and remember enjoying being there. The S Koreans were (to me, anyway) very friendly and happy for our presence there.

Granted, I was a kid and not at all political nor worldly-wise, but that is my recollection.

During later years, I remember seeing student protests demanding the US to get out, and now with Pres. Bush's directive to transfer troops from S. Korea to the Middle East, and what seems to be a protestation (by the S Koreans) against that move ... I'm just a little confused about what the S Koreans want.

Back to "futurekorea" ....

What is that 'language' ... why is something published in such heiroglyphic phorm (intentional typo ... /8^), and how can it be translated?

Is it a reliable source?

16 posted on 06/11/2004 7:34:44 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Somebody should make a film of this guy and other defectors, and call it "Northern Exposure." Anybody know any moose jokes?


17 posted on 06/11/2004 7:38:59 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: knarf
Re #16

Apparently your computer can only handle alphabets. Those words are written in Korean script. You will get the same result if you try Chinese sites.:)

S. Korea is overrun by one-time pro-North anti-government lefties who were masquerading as pro-democracy activists. They managed to brainwashed younger generation with their views, which are anti-American, pro-N. Korea, anti-business, and anti-competition. Gullible younger generation is in for really rude awakening, which would hit soon.

S. Korea operates on thin margin. It is not U.S.A.. No thick cushion of wealth, nor two oceans that separates U.S.A from her enemies. When S. Korea strays, the damage will come fast and hard.

18 posted on 06/11/2004 7:45:57 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The first one died in three and a half hours, while the second one in two and a half hours.

No disrespect to the dead guys, but as chemical weapons go this stuff was pre WWI junk.

19 posted on 06/11/2004 7:46:14 AM PDT by usurper
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

I not suprise Tiger
There was report off Sunday UK Telegraph few months ago that defector claim Kim Jong govt test bio weapons on young children as young as age of 5

that not good


20 posted on 06/11/2004 8:18:46 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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