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Victor Davis Hanson: The New Defeatism, Are we giving up, even as we’re succeeding?
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| June 4, 2004
| Victor Davis Hanson
Posted on 06/04/2004 6:01:43 AM PDT by Tolik
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:01:44 AM PDT
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Tolik
To: seamole; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...
Victor Davis Hanson Ping!
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:02:59 AM PDT
by
Tolik
To: Tolik; StriperSniper; Mo1; Peach; Howlin; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
V.D.H.
PING....................
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:03:30 AM PDT
by
OXENinFLA
To: Alouette; SJackson; veronica; Slings and Arrows
Neoconservatives?Let us be frank. This appellation is no longer a descriptive term of so-called "new conservatives," those members of the eastern intelligentsia who were rather liberal on some domestic hot-button issues (tolerant of open borders, quiet about abortion, indifferent to gay marriage, etc.), but promoted a proactive neo-Wilsonian idealism in foreign policy (whether in the Balkans in taking out Milosevic or in trying to replace Saddam Hussein with democracy rather than a Shah-like proconsul).Instead, face the ugly fact: "Neocon" is now a slur for "Jew."
PING!
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:08:31 AM PDT
by
KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
(I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
To: Tax-chick
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:10:18 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Have you ever considered adopting a homeless bird?)
To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Instead, face the ugly fact: "Neocon" is now a slur for "Jew." Have to admit, as far as a lot of Democrats are concerned, he is correct.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:17:06 AM PDT
by
gilliam
To: Tolik
What a great column, with loads of good ideas.
Thanks for posting it.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:19:01 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Have you hugged a rudderless, down-at-the-mouth liberal today?)
To: Tolik
we should expect a lot of killing and bombing in the next few months ...I don't think so. The value to the terrorists of bombing Iraqi citizens now seems counterproductive. Now that they have been snookered by Bush in the early transition of power, even the killing of American soldiers, now not seen as OCCUPIERS, will be seen differently by the citizenry. I think Iraq is a lost cause for the enemy now, the question is do they understand this now, or will they come to the inevitable conclusion later.
To: syriacus
You can't say it better:
Our Real Dilemma. We do have a grave problem in this country, but it is not the plan for Iraq, the neoconservatives, or targeting Saddam. Face it: This present generation of leaders at home would never have made it to Normandy Beach. They would instead have called off the advance to hold hearings on Pearl Harbor, cast around blame for the Japanese internment, sued over the light armor and guns of Sherman tanks, apologized for bombing German civilians, and recalled General Eisenhower to Washington to explain the rough treatment of Axis prisoners.
We are becoming a crazed culture of cheap criticism and pious moralizing, and in our self-absorption may well lose what we inherited from a better generation. Our groaning and hissing elite indulges itself, while better but forgotten folks risk their lives on our behalf in pretty horrible places.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:23:14 AM PDT
by
Tolik
To: syriacus
To: Tolik
Important words from a master.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:26:41 AM PDT
by
maica
(Member of Republican Attack Machine, RAM, previously known as the VRWC)
To: maica
Historic forces of the ages are in play. If we can just keep our sanity a while longer, accept our undeniable mistakes, learn from them, and press on, Iraq really will emerge as the constitutional antithesis of Saddam Hussein, and that will be a good and noble thing impossible without America and its most amazing military
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:27:35 AM PDT
by
Tolik
To: Tolik
Your advice sounds like my liberal friends who think we could have "won" the war on poverty if only we had spent more money.
To: Tolik
Thanks, Tolik, those were the paragraphs I was going to stress too. One of Hanson's best columns.
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posted on
06/04/2004 6:50:56 AM PDT
by
Let's Roll
(Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
To: Tolik
Mornin', y'all. Victor Davis Hanson of National Review sums up what I've been thinking pretty durn well. I have a brother who does nothing but shoot off things he's heard or read, about how we had al-Sadr in custody and we let him go, how Bush lies every day, and all I can think about is how history, in the end, will vindicate us in this. I'm done looking for approval from our contemporaries. VDH says:
"If there was advice from a "bloc" of so-called neoconservatives, it has not "failed," but is in fact already working even as we caricature it: We've taken out Saddam; we are on the eve of a transition to an autonomous reform government; and we are shooting the enemy 7,000 miles away, rather than being murdered at Ground Zero. And, by any historical standard, we are fighting in both an economical and humane fashion."
Any time I hear someone talking about how we've failed in Iraq, I'm ready to tell them to wait ten years, at least, and then listen to the media talk about how it was a turning point in history and the first step forward for the Middle East. History will vindicate us. Have a great day. Greg's Fishing Reports
To: Tolik; Pokey78
Even a saucer-eyed Al Gore got into the spirit of things. Recently he screamed out the names of those who must walk his plank, and went into an exorcist-like trance when his vein-bulging, spinning-head got to spitting out the name "Woolfwoootizzzzz." LOL! Proof that VDH has been reading Mark Steyn, and taking notes!
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posted on
06/04/2004 7:17:03 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
To: Tolik
Face it: This present generation of leaders at home would never have made it to Normandy Beach. They would instead have called off the advance to hold hearings on Pearl Harbor, cast around blame for the Japanese internment, sued over the light armor and guns of Sherman tanks, apologized for bombing German civilians, and recalled General Eisenhower to Washington to explain the rough treatment of Axis prisoners. Someone needs to put this on the president's desk.
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posted on
06/04/2004 7:31:22 AM PDT
by
hopespringseternal
(People should be banned for sophistry.)
To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
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posted on
06/04/2004 7:54:12 AM PDT
by
SJackson
(America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
To: Tolik; Temple Owl
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posted on
06/04/2004 7:59:16 AM PDT
by
Tribune7
To: Tolik
I think part of the reason the media has been so negative is that even the Bush supporters in the media went along with the negative portrait during the spring. By making things appear as bad as possible during the spring anything that happens this summer is likely to appear to be an improvement. With the economy already picking up and with things going better in Iraq just in time for the GOP convention Bush could be looking forward to a blowout victory.
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