Posted on 06/03/2004 11:38:15 PM PDT by diamond6
What coattails was he using? How many championships did Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe have before Phil coached them? Did you know it took Jordan 7 years to win his first championship!
Thanks!
I suppose the fact that Michael retires for a season and a half between the 2 sets of three-peats is just an odd coincidence?
Just think of who Rodman might have become without Phil as his leader...good thing for all of us that Phil was there as a guiding influence...
GO PISTONS!!!!!
Was it just a wild coincidence that the first year Phil coached Jordan the Bulls reached the finals, and won the finals the next year? I guess that was just happenstance.
I think you have the year wrong. Remember 1988? The Pistons lost in 7. This time they'll lose in 6. The current Pistons have no comparable playoff experience to the Lakers.
The Pistons knocked them out in the conference finals in both 89 and 90, and were knocked out by them in 91, when the Bulls beat the Lakers.
The Lakers could probably win without Shaq.
Not happenstance. Every Phil-coached bulls team won an nba title (when mike was there all year long)...
I stand corrected. You are right. My point is, however, that Phil took very little time (2 seasons) to make them a champion, and in his first season he brought a championship to L.A.
I despised the pistons back in the day. I used to watch the NBA (during the playoffs) and I enjoyed those years. After years of shaq being 'the dominate player in the league', 'one of the best 50 ever' (but never winning a title), they have changed the game so much. He pushes people so hard, and they push right back.
On the other hand, even the hapless Warriors would be instant contenders if Shaq was on their team.
Shaq doesn't push. He moves forward, and people get out of the way. Furthermore, it's pretty hard to push, when you're hanging onto the big fella's biceps, as he making a slam dunk!
Right. On that note, I am out. Thanks for the discussion.
Whose coattails?
Jordan, Pippen, Bryant, Oneal. Any of those ring a bell? Oh, and add future Hall of Famers Malone and Payton for this year.
Everyone used to worship Pat Riley when he coached the Lakers too. Then Pat went to NY and then to Miami where, for some reason he didn't win a championship every year. Wonder why that is? Psst. Its the players, not the coaches who win the games.
Jordan finally won because he got his 'supporting cast' and he finally learned he had to make others around him better. Maybe PJ had a hand in that, but MJ banged his head on the wall for long enough to learn it on his own.
I would have loved to see Coach Coattails coach the Golden State Warriors but for some reason he didn't want that job.
Who are the Warriors?
I obviously can't help you with your ignorance. None of the players you mentioned ever won a championship without Phil. The last two you mentioned, Malone and Payton, only proves my point. Both went to the championship and both failed to win a championship.
Furthermore, the teams Phil coached did NOTHING of any significance until he coached them.
Riley did an excellent job in taking the lackluster Knicks to the brink of a championship and making the Heat competitive. Both are franchises that have done poor jobs of drafting players.
Exactly. I rest my case.
Oh, now I get it. "Subterfuge". Red you can stop taking potshots at your rival now. He is much better than you could ever dream of being.
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