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US failure in Iraq would be a disaster for Ireland (Puke Like a Bilge Pump Alert)
DavidMcwilliams.ie Blog? ^ | 16/05/2004 | David McWilliams-Engles

Posted on 05/21/2004 11:31:17 AM PDT by Dead Dog

It goes without saying that $1.5 billion is a lot of money.This is how much Americans borrow per day from the rest of the world to pay for their McDonald's, SUVs and cheap holidays in Acapulco.

This type of economic delinquency is not sustainable - neither for them nor for us.

America's financial incontinence is getting worse as it grows older.Very soon its free-spending babyboomers will reach retirement age without the capacity to pay for themselves.What will happen then is anyone's guess but two things are certain: the dollar will be weaker and interest rates higher.

Images of abused Iraqis, a beheaded American and unctuous, squirming politicians dominated the news this week and so the deteriorating economic situation was understandably overlooked. But bad politics begets bad economics.The mirror image of the shambolic, irresponsible and utterly shortsighted US foreign policy has been a similarly disastrous, lopsided and inexplicable economic policy.This gives substance to those critics of the US administration who argue that the people on the top in Washington are not only foolhardy, but actually quite stupid.

In the past few days, stock markets around the globe have fallen, bond markets have sold off dramatically and gold prices have fallen, as have many of the other precious metals that had been roaring ahead until recently. Investors are rightly worried that the leaders of the world's only superpower are out of control without any appreciation that globalisation makes the world a sensitive, interdependent ecology where one blunder has significant ramifications.

To trace how political stupidity is amplifying economic problems through global financial links,the best place to start is Saudi Arabia.While the world's attention is focused on Iraq, Saudi Arabia is the lynchpin of the region and if it comes unstuck, the game is over for theYanks and Europeans in the Gulf.

In the past two weeks, al-Qaeda's campaign against the Ibn Saud family business (which constitutes the kingdom itself) moved up another notch when it succeeded in blowing up the Riyadh headquarters of the main internal security service.

Clearly, Osama's mates intend to knock out the House of Saud. However, from a Western viewpoint, that is not the true measure of how serious the threat is. In the past, the assumption has always been that even if there was a revolution of some kind in Saudi Arabia, the new rulers - however anti-Western they might turn out to be - would need, and want, to sell oil to survive.Therefore, the oil would end up in the consuming countries of theWest no matter who were in power.

However, al-Qaeda is not interested in selling oil. People who film the decapitation by kitchen knife of a radio repair man live by different rules.They do not negotiate.Their main aim is to purge the Muslim world of Western influence in general, and in the Arabian peninsula in particular. Destroying theWest's economy and culture is the secondary one.

At some point, the regime will crack and then even the most determined ostriches will have to face the harsh realities. The US has unleashed forces in Saudi Arabia that appear not only to be beyond the control, but beyond the comprehension, of Rumsfeld et al.

(Regular readers will know that this column has never been anti-American and believes fundamentally that the US has been the most benign empire the world has ever seen. I want to see the US pull out of this tailspin, but it seems to be beyond the ken of theWhite House incumbents.)

If Saudi Arabia cracks, the oil price could see $80 a barrel in the short term. Even if the regime clings on, the uncertainty will keep oil above $40 for some time.The higher the oil price, the greater the threat of inflation in theWest. It is interesting that in this cycle, the high price of oil has not yet caused prices to rise in theWest. In fact the de-coupling of interest rates from oil prices is one of the key differences between this cycle and others. However, this may be about to change because the other way in which bad politics begets bad economics is through American government spending.

Even before the Iraqi quagmire, Bush had overturned Clinton's fiscal surpluses with ridiculously biased tax cuts. Arguably, this was the right thing to do back in 2001 when the dot.com bubble burst but the incontinence has so deteriorated since, and the war spending increased to such an extent that no one is quite sure how much military spending will be this year.

Where does this money come from? Who pays forAmerica's adventures? Well, the rest of the world lends to the US via the US bond market. Foreign buying of US treasuries has been one of the main features of global markets since 2002. Normally,this would cause US interest rates to rise, but Alan Greenspan has been doing his best to prevent this. In the past few days, his bluff has been called. Investors have sold US bonds, causing long-term interest rates to rise rapidly.This means

the rate of interest charged to those who want to borrow over 20 years is now close to 5 per cent and with banks fees added on, this is likely to be close to 7 per cent. This is up a net 4 per cent on last year.

How has the US economy reacted to this? The first thing to appreciate is that the Bush recovery has been built internally on borrowed money and for the average punter, this has mainly been through mortgage equity withdrawals which is also what is happening in Ireland whereby people borrow against the value of their houses. America is awash with credit derived from the inflated price of US property.

Many commentators are focusing exclusively on the affect of higher interest rates on stock markets, but this misses the point.The property market is where the real action is and in the US, there is a great leading indicator of the property market called the REITs market.

REITs stands for Real Estate Investment Trusts and these are assets that are, plainly speaking, a bet on the property market.They are listed property trusts. They operate like old-fashioned warrants. If you want to get into property but don't have the $300,000 to buy, you can invest $30,000 in REITs and watch the market soar.This highly liquid market has performed well since the late 1990s,but in the past six weeks REITs have fallen by 20 per cent as investors re-rate property to take into account the new higher interest rate environment.Whether real property falls by 20 per cent is open to question, however it would be irresponsible to ignore the REITs signals.

Optimists and sellers are saying that the US will pull through. No doubt it will, but at what price? Traditionally there are only two ways of rectifying a massive current account and budget deficit.The first is a recession which Bush will not allow to happen before an election and the second is via a significant fall in the currency and higher interest rates.

As Bush issues more government debt to pay for his election, the Federal Reserve has to print more money to prevent short-term interest rates from rising in tandem.This will cause long-term interest rates to rise further as the market cops on to what is happening. Obviously the dollar will fall precipitously against such a background, because the US will have to make its debt look cheap for foreigners to buy the stuff.

This week the Chinese government said that it would take steps to cool the economy.Up to now the Chinese have been huge buyers of US debt. If this investment reduces because a slowing China generates less excess cash (the very cash that was finding a home in US government treasuries) the dollar will fall quicker and further.

This has serious ramifications for Ireland.We have always done well when the dollar is expensive and the euro cheap. This is because we look a lot better value to corporate USAwhen our labour priced in euros is falling against their labour priced in dollars. If this occurs simultaneously with falls in the stock and bond market, corporate America will find it harder to finance expansion in Ireland or elsewhere around the globe via the issuance of paper.

However, if this economic hardship coincides with an American defeat in Iraq,we will get an oil whammy plus serious and possibly lasting damage to the American psyche and an emboldened and victorious al-Qaeda in the Middle East.The first economic victim of such a scenario will be trade and investment flows from the US to the rest of the world. Given that we are the most open economy in the world and we have benefited enormously from the glorious age of globalisation since 1990, the economic ramifications of a Yankee defeat in Iraq would be disastrous.


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Ok, lets play a game of count the self-contradictory statements.

Seriously, if this type of yellow journalism gains a foothold in Europe, we will definately find ourselves at war with them.

1 posted on 05/21/2004 11:31:18 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

Well, we all could become socialists and have 15% unemployment rates in good years...


2 posted on 05/21/2004 11:38:29 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Dead Dog

"we will definately find ourselves at war with them"

Will that be before or after you take care of Syria and Iran?


3 posted on 05/21/2004 11:40:29 AM PDT by cavan
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To: Happygal; Colosis; Free_at_last_-2001
It goes without saying that $1.5 billion is a lot of money.This is how much Americans borrow per day from the rest of the world to pay for their McDonald's, SUVs and cheap holidays in Acapulco.

In the past few days, stock markets around the globe have fallen, bond markets have sold off dramatically and gold prices have fallen, WTF???!!!! as have many of the other precious metals that had been roaring ahead until recently.

Who is this dork?

4 posted on 05/21/2004 11:47:25 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: cavan

I beleive our dance card goes like this: Syria (Lebonon), Iran, N. Korea. Pretty much in that order. I think we can fit the EU in between Iran and N. Korea. China might want in there if we take to long with Syria, but we should be accomodating for our Eurobuddies.


5 posted on 05/21/2004 11:50:53 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
"OK, lets play a game of count the self-contradictory statements."

Sorry, I don't have enough fingers n toes.

I couldn't go much past "Bush had overturned Clinton's fiscal surpluses with ridiculously biased tax cuts." (yes, I know. I should have quit earlier, but I'm a glutton for punishment ;'}

And, as to your second point: we ARE at war with them, we just haven't figured it out yet.....
6 posted on 05/21/2004 12:08:37 PM PDT by rockrr ("If this were a perfect world, Democrats would just be a bad memory - like Typhoid")
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To: Dead Dog

Pogh ma thionn, McWilliams1


7 posted on 05/21/2004 12:18:31 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Dead Dog
However, if this economic hardship coincides with an American defeat in Iraq,we will get an oil whammy plus serious and possibly lasting damage to the American psyche and an emboldened and victorious al-Qaeda in the Middle East.

I can think of a number of possible outcomes in Iraq, but al-Qaeda defeating the United States isn't one of them. The author is another European pressie trapped in the Vietnam paradigm - he's better at economics, obviously, and ought to stick to it.

European "lending" to support our Big Mac and SUV habits (you have to cut foreign correspondents some slack when it comes to worn cliches) is, in reality, them purchasing into an economic arrangement that offers them the best return for the dollar, EU, or whatever. Where that return improves elsewhere, the money will follow, and that will provide the necessary corrective for the french-fry-and-4WD "addiction." This is true whether that money is Irish or Saudi or Martian.

If the American psyche is at risk it is so not so much from the specter of military defeat (when in fact we've lost 800 people over a year and a fraction defeating our enemy utterly and overturning his government), as from a constant din of negativity from a groupthink-shackled press both here and abroad. It doesn't make much difference, though - once we turn over the reins to a new Iraqi government the world press will find a way to declare it a defeat regardless.

8 posted on 05/21/2004 12:23:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

As I read this, I'm overhearing a two leftwing coworkers discussing how we are "losing the moderates (Iraqis) in droves".

The Media is, and has been for 40 years, our enemy.


9 posted on 05/21/2004 12:31:40 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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who are you idiots saying you'd like to go to war with europe?
I know you freepers like to think you're the only country in the world that can do this and some of the more bloodthirsty animals among you often give yourselves hard-ons talking about "sheets of glass", but have you forgotten you're not the only ones who have the capacity to nuke a country back to the stone age??

That is all.


10 posted on 05/21/2004 12:32:30 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: Dead Dog

"Seriously, if this type of yellow journalism gains a foothold in Europe, we will definately find ourselves at war with them." THIS IS MAIN STREAM!


11 posted on 05/21/2004 12:34:24 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: mousehats

Quote someone on this thread "wanting" to go to war with Europe.

Learn to freakin' read!


12 posted on 05/21/2004 12:34:46 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: rrrod
No kidding. Too many of the Europeans I know think Sky and Fox are hard right, and that CNN is pro American propaganda.

These are the same types who would listen to NPR and confuse slow, condescending speech with insight.
13 posted on 05/21/2004 12:41:13 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
I apologise, I assummed you were a raving lunatic wheras in fact you are merely paranoid and delusional.

The US and Europe will never go to war despite our political differences, peace is just so much more profitable.

Contrary to the impression you might get from the news, business and investment between the US and Europe is booming, not slacking.

Here's an article from the Irish Times. (not sure if this violates posting rules or not, if so, apologies again)

US invested over twice as much in Ireland as in China US investment in Ireland in 2003 was more than 2½ times greater than American investment in China, and profits of US companies in Ireland in the same year surged by 45 per cent. Conor O'Clery, North America Editor, reports from New York These are among the findings of a report on the transatlantic economy, which concludes that despite political differences over Iraq, 2003 was a year of "economic boom" in US-European relations. The most significant winners were Ireland and Sweden, where more liberal and investor-friendly investment policies helped bolster investment flows, according to the report "Partners in Prosperity" by Mr Daniel Hamilton and Mr Joseph Quinlan, of Johns Hopkins University in Washington. The authors cite the higher level of US investment in Ireland ($4.7 billion or €3.9 billion), compared to $1.7 billion in China, as an example of how US firms remain committed to Europe. They point out that nearly 65 per cent of all US foreign direct investment in 2003 went to European countries. "For transatlantic relations, 2003 was a year of political bust and economic boom," they state. "Even as transatlantic bickering engendered by America's war with Iraq plunged transatlantic political relations to one of their lowest points in six decades, the economic ties that bind the United States and Europe together only grew stronger in 2003." Despite Washington's war-related frustrations with Europe, corporate America pumped over $87 billion in foreign direct investment into Europe in 2003, a jump of 30.5 per cent over 2002. In a year when a US House of Representatives canteen changed "French fries" to "Freedom fries", and French champagne was poured down the drain in publicity stunts, US investment flows to France rose by more than 10 per cent to $2.3 billion and US affiliates in France more than doubled their profits. Altogether, European firms invested $36.9 billion in the US last year, compared to $26 billion the previous year. Ireland is listed as one of 12 European markets where US affiliate earnings reached record highs. With the help of a declining US dollar, profits earned in Ireland surged by 45 per cent, Italy by 40 per cent and the Netherlands by 24.5 per cent. US imports from Ireland, Germany, Italy and Spain all reached record levels. Ireland is the second-most exposed European country to the North American market, deriving 32.5 per cent of total revenues from North America, behind the Netherlands at 41.8 per cent. Ireland has become a favourite of US technology firms on account of its large English-speaking labour force, favourable tax rates and preferential access to the European Union, the report says. Roughly two-thirds of Ireland's top 100 exporters are foreign affiliates, mostly American. US investment in Ireland totalled $4.2 billion in 2001, versus $2.6 billion of Ireland's investment in the US, making Ireland the ninth largest foreign investor in the US that year

14 posted on 05/21/2004 1:23:07 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: mousehats
The US and Europe will never go to war despite our political differences, peace is just so much more profitable.

Historically, this is pure BS.

Contrary to the impression you might get from the news, business and investment between the US and Europe is booming, not slacking

Pretty much irrelevent to the topic, as is your link.

I assummed you were a raving lunatic wheras in fact you are merely paranoid and delusional.

You're new here, so you probably haven't figured out that most on this site are capable of arguing a point without resorting to girliespat namecalling. Your original post was probably enough to get you band from the site. Next time, read the F'ng thread, then try to make a coherent response.

15 posted on 05/21/2004 1:34:13 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

band=banned


16 posted on 05/21/2004 1:35:57 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
You seem to be confusing the leadership in europe with that of nazi germany. Whenever some fool on the left does this with the US leadership, he is rightly roasted by people with more sense.

The topic was about the irish exposure to the US economy (with a lot of juvenile pokes at the US leadership thrown in). I was pointing out that actually, yes, the Irish economy is badly exposed and any shocks to the US economy would indeed be very bad for ireland. The topic of US over-exposure to debt is not a fiction, it is something that worries many decent economists.

Your worry that this article is a pointer to a future war with Europe is indeed paranoid and delusional.
17 posted on 05/21/2004 1:45:13 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: mousehats
You seem to be confusing the leadership in europe with that of nazi germany. Whenever some fool on the left does this with the US leadership, he is rightly roasted by people with more sense.

Straw Man, and off topic..again. Actually, Nevil Chamberlin comes to mind more than Adolph. Adolph was at least a competent socialist

The topic of your original post on this thread had nothing to do with Irish exposure to the US economy, or US debt. Those pointa really aren't in contention, although the author confuses consumer debt with T-bills, but whatever.

The point in contention is whether the editorial slant of this author would lead to an armed conflict between the US and Europe. History, and the Public sentiment of the European Left (US Most dangerous Rogue State, EU needs to militarily counter ect) bares out my point. If we are a threat to global peace and prosperity, it is only the lack of will on Europe to do something about it. Chamberlin, not Hitler.

18 posted on 05/21/2004 2:15:47 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

You may find this surprising, but here in europe we have this thing called "freedom of speech" as well. Just like in america, crackpots are allowed hold forth in obscure blogs on whatever topic they choose, and the rest of the population is perfectly happy to ignore them.

I admit that my original response was quite an angry one as to see someone speculating "if X then WAR WITH EUROPE!!" really p***** me off. If Ralph Nader ran the world we'd all have to adopt trees. It's not gonna happen!

You speak of "straw men" but this entire thread is one.


19 posted on 05/21/2004 2:29:16 PM PDT by mousehats
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To: Dead Dog
Who is this dork? - no idea! you've got democRats we've got this idiot!
20 posted on 05/21/2004 2:38:57 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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