'There Are No Muslim Moderates' (No Shi'ite, Sherlock!)

Jerusalem Newswire ^ | May 12, 2004 | Editorial

[quidnunc]

What do Yasser Arafat, PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia, Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak and Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah all have in common? At one time or another the West has insisted all are Muslim "moderates."

But according to one Pakistani Islamic author, that term was contrived by the West in order to create divisions in the Muslim world.

All Muslims are moderates by virtue of being Muslims, and not according to how their political positions correspond to Washington's interpretation of the Quran, wrote Abidullah Jan in Pakistan Today.

Christian Zionist leader Jan Willem van der Hoeven further clarified that not only were there no Muslim "moderates," but in fact all Muslims are "fundamentalists."

The US and Europe have traditionally attempted to portray Muslim "fundamentalists" as a disconnected Islamic minority whose actions do not reflect the beliefs of their co-religionists.

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[mrustow]

Oh, no! The Excerptor strikes again!

[etcetera]

Scratch a Moslem moderate and underneath you'll find someone who says,"I don't support those terrorists, but...".

[ambrose]

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'There are no Muslim moderates'
By Jerusalem Newswire Editorial Staff

May 12, 2004

Jerusalem (jnewswire.com) - What do Yasser Arafat, PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia, Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak and Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah all have in common? At one time or another the West has insisted all are Muslim "moderates."

But according to one Pakistani Islamic author, that term was contrived by the West in order to create divisions in the Muslim world.

All Muslims are moderates by virtue of being Muslims, and not according to how their political positions correspond to Washington's interpretation of the Quran, wrote Abidullah Jan in Pakistan Today.

Christian Zionist leader Jan Willem van der Hoeven further clarified that not only were there no Muslim "moderates," but in fact all Muslims are "fundamentalists."

The US and Europe have traditionally attempted to portray Muslim "fundamentalists" as a disconnected Islamic minority whose actions do not reflect the beliefs of their co-religionists.

No 'moderates'

"A Muslim cannot be a Muslim without being moderate," wrote Abidullah Jan in the May 7 edition of Pakistan Today.

"He has, however, to be moderate by virtue of being a Muslim," and not by virtue of how his political positions line up with Washington's interpretation of the Quran.

According to Islam, "moderate" is simply the opposite of "evil conduct," which in no way corresponds to what the West views as "evil conduct," Jan insists.

Allah called the followers of Islam Muslims "without any prefixes," and ultimately "there is no moderate and immoderate Islam at all," the author of several books on the subject writes.

The US is promoting such prefixes "for the sake of divisions among Muslims," and has succeeded in causing many to jump on the "bandwagon of 'moderation.'"

But the scheme is doomed to fail as Muslims turn to the Quran and realize they are all the same, says Jan.

Muslims are fundamentalists

Not only are there no Muslim "moderates," it is actually incorrect to call only some Muslims "fundamentalists" as if all other Muslims oppose their practices, wrote Jan Willem van der Hoeven in a July 2002 op-ed piece.

Van der Hoeven, who is director of the International Christian Zionist Center, pointed out that not one US-labeled "moderate" Muslim leader ever shunned PLO chief Yasser Arafat even when he was widely recognized as the chief of global terrorism.

"Why not? Because it would have been against the teachings of Islam to have stood up against Arafat's terror," wrote Van der Hoeven.

The Quran repeatedly exhorts Muslims to "arrest," "besiege," and "lie in ambush everywhere" for "unbelievers."

Seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly. (Sura 4:90)

Fight them until Islam reigns supreme. (Sura 2:193)

Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers. (Sura 8:12)

Allah threatens the Muslim who does not make war on the "unbelievers" with death. (Sura 9:39)

So rather than renounce the dictates of their faith, "moderate" Muslims "make statements of peace and tolerance" for the consumption of an unsuspecting and gullible West, Van der Hoeven explained.

Such statements act to "disguise for the time being [Islam's] real intent and nature: to conquer the world by stealth or terror till all the world will finally come under the dominion of Allah and Islam."

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[Defiant]

To be a good Muslim is to be a bad person. To be a good person in the Muslim world, you must ignore the tenets of your faith. There were undoubtedly nice Communists, but what they believed led to the death of millions. Same with Muslims.

[Defiant]

Thanks.

[GottaLuvAkitas1]

"(No Shi'ite, Sherlock!)"

LOL you are funny!

[Billthedrill]

What utter silliness. The entire history of Islam is one of division, internecine warfare, and vigorous and basic differences in the interpretation of the Qur'an. From the time the followers of Ali fought the followers of Abu Bakr (680 AD) to the time the followers of Khomeini fought the followers of Hussein (1980 AD) Islam has been nothing but violent and fissiparous. Whether there are any "moderates" or not is a question of interpretation, but there are certainly enough factions and splinter groups around killing one another to make the author's claim of solidarity that of a fantasy world.

[King Prout]

always nice to see folks agree with me.

There is NO WAY to politely phrase the following truth. My apologies in advance.

Going by the way non-muslim societies MUST view islam (if they wish to long endure) there are two types of good muslims:

lapsed, and dead.

any serious believing muslim is by definition a jihadi in waiting, and a cancer cell in the bosom of any non-muslim society in which he operates.

[King Prout]

true, but all that means is that, absent an outside enemy, the "Dar al Islam" is a house of rampaging cannibalism.

[The South Texan]

Yep, at the world is round, hell is hot, and the south and north poles are cold. There are no moderate muslims. That's not new news.

[vanmorrison]

"There are no Moslem moderates".

I've been saying this since 1978. That was the first year I became truly cognizant of mad Moslem murderers (ALL of them) and their terroristic beliefs. During the Iranian hostage crisis, when I was in college, I realized that Tehran, Entebbe, Munich, and Sirhan Sirhan were all of a piece. As new atrocities continued to occur, I began to put the puzzle together.

I reacquainted myself with the literary and historical works that chronicled the struggles of Europeans against the Mamelukes and Saracens. I learned that these people have been raping, pillaging, and murdering unabated for 1400 years. Their depradations in my short lifetime are blips on the radar screen, given the bloodshed they've caused for so many centuries. These mad Moslem murderers even have the Communists beat in the killing department; they've been at it a hell of a lot longer.

This is what we're up against. The bestiality and savagery perpetrated by a sadistic and degenerate satanic death cult masquerading as a "religion of peace".

There are NO moderate Moslems, indeed!

[SevenDaysInMay]

We must read the Koranzis' own "holy" scriptures, their Koran and Haddith, their battle plan.

Peaceful, aka bad "hypocrit", muslims are commanded to be killed by devout, good muslims even before the Jews.

Believers in Islam are commanded to conquor the entire world to rule everyone under the Sharia.

[Desron13]

"Whether there are any "moderates" or not is a question of interpretation, but there are certainly enough factions and splinter groups around killing one another to make the author's claim of solidarity that of a fantasy world."

While this is generally true, all flavors of Islam can get together long enough to slaughter some infidels if they happen to be handy and the Imams have had a bad day. Especially now that they have the support of oil rich nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia backing their spread into the infidel lands. Once the Religion of Peace reaches a critical percentage of the population in a region, the intimidation and murder starts. This happens without exception. They are without a doubt the most arrogant people that never had a reason to be.

[Maceman]

I am so done with this foolishness. It is not the job of the American people or its policy makers to become bogged down in the Battle of the Expert Witnesses over the question of what is or is not "true Islam," and whether or not Muslim Terror is one of its core principles or merely an aberration.

We can study the Koran for 10,000 hours, and still not come away with a conclusion on either side of the question that would not be challenged by credentialed Imams and Muslim scholars.

All we really need to know is that with few, if any, exceptions, Muslim nations have failed in their moral responsibility to contain and control Muslim terror, both within their own geographical confines and abroad. This failure now threatens the lives and interests of Americans on our own soil and around the world.

Whether this failure is the result of deliberate support for terrorism, or the result of the inability to muster the ability to fight it is immaterial to me at this point.

Therefore, because we have the natural human right to defend our lives and our nations, we have the natural right to do the job of cleaning up Islam's mess in whatever manner will get the job done.

Whatever collateral damage results from our actions to defend our nation is the moral responsibility of the Muslim world for failing to do its humanitarian duty.

The only question we need to consider in making US policy is what will work on a practical level to protect our safety and security.

In my view, by exporting and failing to control Muslim terror, most Muslim nations have lost their right to national sovereignty in the same way that criminals in our own society lose their right to walk freely on our streets.

The Muslim world has had enough opportunity to clean up its own mess over the past 800 years. So now we will have to do it for them. It won't be pretty. But there is no question that we have to do it or die.

So I will not be listening to any more discussions of whether there are or aren't moderate Muslims at this point. If there are any, they certainly haven't proven themselves very useful in combatting the terror which will make the world lousy for the next 100 years.

[Cousin Eddie]

As the late great Lewis Grizzard was fond of saying..."Do you know how hard it is for a southerner to say 'Shi'ite'?"

[kevao]

Scratch a Moslem moderate and underneath you'll find someone who says,"I don't support those terrorists, but...".

Like that fat slob from CAIR.

[mrustow]

Ditto. You might want to consider posting that essay to its own thread. I'd bump it.

[savedbygrace]

Scratch a Moslem moderate and underneath you'll find someone who says,"I don't support those terrorists, but...".

". . . I don't want to get killed, so I stay quient."