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Wahabi Watch - The Arab World And The Cult Of Death
PipeLineNews.org ^ | May 11, 2004 | Robbie Friedman, PhD

Posted on 05/11/2004 7:25:56 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic


The Arab World And The Cult Of Death

By Robbie Friedmann, PhD

PipeLineNews.org - The Arab obsession with death (as evident in Palestinian and Lebanese terror attacks "inspired" by Iran, Syria, Egypt, and others) is deeply embedded in their societies as they indoctrinate their children to aspire for "holy" death which will bring them to heaven "Ask for Death! The Indoctrination of Palestinian Children to Seek Death for Allah", Shahada, Itamar Marcus, Palestinian Media Watch.

Their clerics even pray that their leader - Arafat - will die as a "martyr""PA Imam Prays for Arafat's Death as Shahid", Itamar Marcus, Palestinian Media Watch, May 7, 2004 - "we will pray to Allah: Grant the President Shahada (Martyrdom) for you. Yes, we do not pray - like other preachers pray - for longevity for the rulers; here in Palestine we pray: Lord, grant the President Shahada for you." This by no means suggests that Arafat is ready to die but it sends a message he is thus readying many others to die for him.

In the meantime, when they do not kill themselves and murder others in the process, they "bravely" ambush a single car killing an 8-months pregnant women and her four children - ages 11, 9, 7, and 2 - and then at close range they shoot them again to "ascertain" their death "Mother, her four children killed in terror attack in Gaza", Amos Harel, Haaretz, May 3, 2004.

Sadly, National Public Radio reported on this heinous murder as if the woman and children deserved to be shot because by their mere presence they "provoked" the terrorists to murder them "NPR Blames Mother and Daughters for their own Murders", Tamar Sternthal, CAMERA, May 5, 2004). Clearly, those who do not care enough about their own lives, and the lives of their intended victims, do not care about the lives of their own people either "Their own enemy", Editorial, Daily Telegraph, 25/04/2004. Even the "Barbarians", were not known to behave like that.

The cold-blooded murder of the pregnant Israeli mother and her four children have shocked even Amnesty International which rightfully condemned the murder as constituting "crimes against humanity." Yet throughout the press release AI refers to "Palestinian armed groups" and "gunmen" not to terrorist organizations, and to the murder site as "occupied territory" not disputed territory "Occupied Territories: AI condemns murder of woman and her four daughters by Palestinian gunmen", Amnesty International Public Statement, 4 May 2004. Perhaps it is time that AI give amnesty to the victims not the perpetrators. It can start by changing its name.

The mills of justice grind slowly but they grind. Case in point is a British effort to get at those who support terrorism. Charges were filed against relatives for not assisting authorities in what could have prevented a terrorist attack in Israel by two British citizens "The farewell e-mails of British suicide bomber: Relatives charged with failing to give information that could have prevented an attack", Sean O'Neill, The Times (UK), 27 April 2004.

And where justice is too slow, security steps in as French authorities show little patience for extremist clerics who preach hate and while other European countries tolerate such hate the French show them the way out of the country "France targets radical Muslim clerics", Associated Press, May. 3, 2004.

Yet, the fact that the world did not burst in an outrage - and AI is not an outrage and the AI is not the world - raises the question as to why "And the world still remains silent", Rachel Raskin-Zrihen, Jewish World Review, May 4, 2004. The two answers are not pleasant: "...there is a collective understanding that Jews are unimportant, expendable or worse, justifiable targets," and ...the Palestinian Arabs are simply incapable of civilized behavior. The latter explanation...has terrifying and far-reaching implications that I'd prefer not to contemplate, and which people all over the world, in the United States in particular, are dismissing as impossible...If the international acquiescence to or rationalization of the murder of that Jewish family isn't a function of anti-Semitism or a belief that no better behavior can be expected from Palestinian Arabs, then it can only be a fear, a terror as it were, that to speak out against the wholesale slaughter of innocent Jewish men, women and even children may bring the wrath of the proverbial Hun down upon the protester. If that's it we're all doomed, of course, because that means the terrorists have already won."

And in a sense they have. The Palestinians pride themselves with this murder as committing a "heroic act." Yet, world leaders continue to state that they are working to provide the Palestinians with a state - even if 2005 is not a "realistic" date. If this is not rewarding terrorism than what is? In all likelihood, historical irony would make it that the murderers will get the home of the murdered family as a reward for their crime if indeed Israel moves on with its disengagement plan "Abandoning Gaza won't end terrorism", Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe, May 6, 2004.

Indeed, as a respected analyst sees it "Gated Community", Ehud Ya'ari, Jerusalem Report, May 17, 2004.

"The Palestinians see the planned evacuation of the Gaza Strip as a victory, as the realization of the undeclared goal of the intifada -- the acquisition of territory and a sort of sovereignty in the absence of an agreement and concessions to Israel." Ya'ari also sees a glimmer of chance that those in the Palestinian camp who understand that this could be a strategic defeat will "finally go for the elusive confrontation against Arafat."

A longshot indeed. Pun not intended.

The fact remains that the Arab goals in general - and specifically the Palestinian goals - while threatening and dangerous to Israel and the West are delusional "To be 'pro-Palestinian' is to live in a world of delusions", Clifford D. May, The Union Leader, May 3, 2004. Well, so were Hitler's. He was defeated but at what horrendous human cost?

The challenge is not only to realize the gravity of the threat and danger but also to assess and predict the long-term cost so the sooner they are defeated the better. There is no luxury permitted in this battle "Al Qaeda's Poison Gas: The foiled attack in Jordan might have killed thousands", Editorial, The Wall Street Journal, April 29, 2004. Belatedly, and in yet small doses, Israel has shown itself and the world how to handle this challenge "EU vs. Hamas: Israel's doing what so many other nations signed on to do", Joshua Muravchik, National Review, April 27, 2004).

The Saudis must be frustrated. They thought that homegrown terrorism is to be uni-directionally exported against the West. They did not count on terrorism actively spawning on Saudi soil. So how do they "explain" it? They blame the Jews "Saudi Crown Prince on Yunbu' Attack: 'Zionism is Behind Terrorist Actions in the Kingdom...", MEMRI, Special Dispatch - Saudi Arabia/Arab Antisemitism Documentation Project, May 3, 2004, No. 706.

It was reported that Bush administration officials were "stunned" by this scurrilous statement so to add fuel to the fire a Saudi princess has expressed her "rage" regarding the criticism raised against the Saudis "Saudi Princess Responds to Charges of Antisemitism in Saudi Royal Family", MEMRI, Special Dispatch - Saudi Arabia/Arab Antisemitism Documentation Project, May 6, 2004, No. 708 by charging that "enough is enough." She uses the classical guise that anti-Zionism is not antisemitism as that the Saudi could not be anti-Semite because they themselves are Semites (as if the term antisemitism was coined to denote Arabs). To support her point she cites a "rabid anti-Semite", as a "source." This is like getting a Kosher stamp for and from a pig. She then goes on to suggest that surely the world would prefer the friendship of 1.5 billion Muslims over the tiny state of Israel. Perhaps we should "thank" her for outlining the zero-sum game approach the Arabs bring to this conflict and that they will not stop at anything short of achieving their objectives.

But fewer Americans than ever see the Saudis as friends and allies. A leading Texas paper has unmasked the Saudi fable by criticizing a veteran Saudi operative in the US, no other than their ambassador, Bandar; and the paper calls Saudi Arabia part of the problem ("Saudi Terrorism Double Talk: Saudi diplomat's charm fails him - ‘Saudi Arabia Is Part of the Problem of Terrorism -Not the Solution,'" Dallas Morning News, April 30, 2004). This paper is reported to be one of five placed on president Bush's desk every morning. Surely he will read it carefully given that the Saudis aim at more than Israel. Indeed, they actively seek to topple him "The Saudi War on George Bush", Ed Lasky, The American Thinker, March 10th, 2004.

To date Australia is the only continent that has not experienced a direct terrorist attack on its soil (not counting Australian victims in Bali). But no one is immune to the propaganda blitz that turns perpetrator into victim and victim to an evil war-criminal. In the U.S. Muslim advocacy groups are after anyone who dares to criticize terrorists and their supporters "CAIR's War on Conservative Radio", Michelle Malkin, Townhall.com, May 5, 2004). Indeed, this is even acknowledged by no less than Muslims in America who are concerned about the extremist take-over of their religious institutions ("Hate at the Local Mosque," Asra Q. Nomani, The New York Times, May 6, 2004).

Muslim advocacy groups shed slimy crocodile tears for their constituents under the guise of (their) "civil rights" (being "violated") but never find it worthwhile to condemn the violation of civil rights of those who are victims of terrorism or intended terrorism. Yet their brethren continue their blatant campaign at jihad against their very own host countries ("Militants in Europe Openly Call for Jihad and the Rule of Islam," Patrick E. Tyler and Don Van Natta Jr., The New York Times, April 26, 2004), or preposterously deflect cause and effect attributions when claiming that the very terrorists are in the service of the US government "Lebanese Member of Parliament, Walid Jumblatt Interview: Al-Qa'ida and bin Laden are Tools of U.S. Intelligence Agencies", MEMRI, Special Dispatch - Lebanon/Jihad & Terrorism Studies Project, April 28, 2004, No. 702.

This forked-tongued approach to vilifying the victim while pretending to hold the same values the victim cherishes is also reflected in the way in which Arab leaders (particularly from Egypt and Saudi Arabia) present themselves as "friends and allies" of the US and at the same time conduct a - longstanding - hate and vilification campaign - through its media, government statements, clergy, academy - against it that portrays the US (and of course Israel) as an enemy "America-hatred among the Arabs: Time to put an end to the madness", Jeff Jacoby, Jewish World Review, April 26, 2004. A hate video clip from Egypt is rather illustrative "Egyptian Video Clip: Hate USA and Israel", Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook, Palestinian Media Watch Bulletin, May 6, 2004.

A recent conference on antisemitism in Europe has dealt with the classical forms of this curse but not with its modern offspring. Israel has now replaced the individual Jew as a vilification object and a candidate for extinction "Europe still doesn't get it", David Matas, Globe and Mail, May 5, 2004.

To a large extent this happened because the Arabs were successful in turning perpetrator to victim and victim to offender. They managed to portray the Palestinians as David and Israel as Goliath. Some irony in reversing these historical roles of the ancient philistine but even more so considering the existence of 22 Arab countries, hundreds of millions Arabs in the area, and a billion and a half Muslims around the world "Appearance And Reality In The Middle East - Distinguishing `David` From `Goliath", Louis Rene Beres, The Jewish press, 4/14/2004.

The Arabs were also successful in eliciting the willing help of the left (along with the traditional extreme right) in Europe, the U.S., and even in Israel, to bring back the cry of "Hep" (Hierosolyma est perdita; Jerusalem is destroyed) that so many thought has perished in the aftermath of WWII "The Modern ‘Hep! Hep! Hep!", Cynthia Ozick, The New York Observer, May 7, 2004: The riddle of anti-Semitis - why always the Jews? - survives as an apparently eternal irritant. The German-Jewish philosopher Franz Rosenzweig, writing in 1916 (in italics) of "hatred of the Jews," remarked to a friend, "You know as well as I do that all its realistic arguments are only fashionable cloaks." The state of Israel is our era's fashionable cloak - mainly on the Left in the West, and centrally and endemically among the populations of the Muslim despotisms. But if one cannot account for the tenacity of anti-Semitism, one can readily identify it. It wears its chic disguises. It breeds on the tongues of liars. The lies may be noisy and primitive and preposterous, like the widespread Islamist charge (doggerelized by New Jersey's poet laureate) that a Jewish conspiracy leveled the Twin Towers. Or the lies may take the form of skilled patter in a respectable timbre, while retailing sleight-of-hand trickeries - such as the hallucinatory notion that the defensive measures of a perennially beleaguered people constitute colonization and victimization; or that the Jewish state is to blame for the aggressions committed against it. Lies shoot up from the rioters in Gaza and Ramallah. Insinuations ripple out of the high tables of Oxbridge. And steadily, whether from the street or the salon, one hears the enduring old cry: Hep! Hep! Hep!

Just look at how well institutionalized it has become in organizations such as the United Nations which are clearly United against Israel "Business as Usual: No love for Israel in Geneva", National Review, Anne Bayefsky, April 26, 2004), and whose chief emissaries call Israel the "greatest poison" in the area and get away with legitimizing the globalization of antisemitism ("The Real Mideast 'Poison,'" Charles Krauthammer, The Washington Post, April 30, 2004).

Now, out of the green (read below), dozens of former British diplomats have chastised their prime minister for supporting the American policy in the Middle East ("The Seven Pillars of Chutzpah," Wall St Journal--Europe, April 28, 2004). The problem is that what these former diplomats have supported for over 40 years amounted to failed policy prescriptions. The cocktail crowd my be out of touch with reality but certainly not with their colleagues oversees. A few well-coordinated phone calls between glasses of sherry and lo and behold their American colleagues have almost simultaneously issued the same rebuke "Bush under fire from US ex-envoys", About 50 retired US diplomats have written to President George W Bush to criticise current American policy towards the Middle East," BBC News, May 4, 2004.

Not all former diplomats have bought into this not-so-innocent initiative "My fellow ex-ambassadors are not an attractive sight", Robin Renwick, Daily Telegraph, 02/05/2004 as after all, they have all failed to mention where their livelihood is coming from and hence where their sympathies lie. They ought to consider that the statements they issued might constitute supporting the enemy, certainly not the interest of their government "Diplomats failed to disclose their own Arab links", Chris Hastings, David Bamber and Roya Nikkhah, Daily Telegraph, 02/05/2004.

Greased by (green) Arab money, the former diplomats made themselves nothing more than a shameless special interest group in the interest of the Arab/Muslim (green) flag , certainly not the civil servants their own governments deserve. No offense, but this is analogous to judges of fine wine tasting events one would not expect to also serve as judges of hot chilli competitions.

Indeed, the former envoys' statements across both sides of the pond reveal a deep lack of understanding of policies and politics in the Mideast. The preserve-a-despot-at-all-cost under the guise of "stability" is exactly what causes the problems in the area and catering to the whims of the despots might fill the pockets of the diplomats but empty the coffers of their countries and weaken their standing and objectives "Mideast instability? Bring it on", Mark Steyn, Jewish World Review, April 26, 2004.

As one of the leading scholars on Islam suggested, every word and signal from the West are scrutinized for signs of weakness or uncertainty "Islam's Interpreter", Bernard Lewis talks about his seventy years spent studying the Middle East - and his thoughts on the region's future," Atlantic Unbound, April 29, 2004. Therefore, instead of presenting a clear and united front, such "diplomatic" statements end up serving the Arab interest of weakening the West.

Two setbacks in Iraq in the last couple of weeks are instructive of the difficulties the US-lead coalition is encountering there and they have implications for the West's fight against terrorism. The first instance is the decision not to unleash a full-scale assault on the insurgents in Fallujah and to perhaps even have joint patrols with Iraqi officers. While it is understandable that there is a desire to obtain advantage without battle this has very little leg to stand on. Wars are not sterile and given the performance of the Iraqis thus far with an estimated 50% deserting or acting against the US it does not appear that much hope should be put on them. The Israelis had their experience of joint patrols with Palestinians and it backfired badly. But the more serious implication is the weakness it broadcasts to the insurgents encouraging them to continue under the assumption that Americans do not wish to fight "The Fallujah Stakes: The insurgents understand guns, not diplomacy", Editorial, The Wall Street Journal, April 26, 2004.

The second setback is the fiasco with the Iraqi prisoners. But if the revelation about humiliating the prisoners is a fiasco then the response to it adds yet even more to the setback and not only in Iraq. Claims that we need to "restore our honor" have limited value for internal consumption ("Restoring Our Honor," Thomas L. Friedman, The New York Times, May 6, 2004). The problem with such position is that they may impress American constituencies and western followers but NOT those we "want" to impress or placate. Was it horrible and repulsive? Certainly. Should it be handled severely? Very much so. But there are channels for doing it including legal due process. Military courts could - and should - do more than an adequate job at investigating, prosecuting and punishing those who did that and those who are responsible for it. That should have sent the proper message of how our society handles transgressions.

But three days of groveling apologies by the president and the secretary of state? That is highly unlikely to win over any hearts and minds of terrorists. On the contrary, it sends a message of an America that is not sure of itself, that is willing to humiliate itself not merely because it believes that something wrong was done but because it believes that this way it will win (or not lose) "friends." The test of course will be in the results and those are not likely to yield many dividends in this direction ("Real thugs unworthy of apology," Steven Zak, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 05/06/2004). We might have calmed our own conscience but it is not the enemy that wants to destroy us.

Much of the trouble in Iraq is the result of Iranian meddling for the simple reason that Iran wants its sphere of influence remain untouched by an American victory or an Iraqi regime that would be threatening to Teheran's religious and political domination "Iran's Stirrings in Iraq", Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli, MEMRI, Inquiry & Analysis - Iran/Iraq, May 5, 2004, No. 173.

That explains Al-Sadr's visit to Iran, the training camps there for his supporters, Iranian intelligence services operating in Iraq, funds to support secular groups, the operation through their proxy the Hizbullah, Iranian pilgrims inundating Iraqi holy sites, and Iranian flags being flown there.

Some suggest the use of "soft power" (in addition to "crude power") but the problem is that the equation is overly titled towards social and cultural services without understanding what makes the population tick and without giving a fuller force its due respect. As long as the radicals and lunatics control the street and the extremist rhetoric dominates the Islamic narrative, then no amount of soft-power will ever do the job. When looking into the elements of soft-power it turns out we are doing it anyway and to suggest that world resentment against the US will increase because fewer visas are granted to potential (Muslim) students goes to show how deep is the misunderstanding of what prompts social, political and terrorist action ("Sell It Softly: Persuasively promoting American values and culture will work better than either carrots or threats to influence the Middle East," Joseph S. Nye Jr., Los Angeles Times, April 25, 2004.

The Iraqi prison fiasco could not have come out at a worst time for Israel. The White House has already retracted its commitments to Sharon in order to placate Arab leaders ("U.S. Retreats From Bush Remarks on Sharon Plan: Effort Is Intended To Placate Arabs," Glenn Kessler, Washington Post, May 5, 2004)

although today it refused to back up on it president Bush's statement that a Palestinian state is not likely to be established before the end of 2005. Arafat was his angry self but actually what could have made him happier than the keeping status quo?

We are incensed about our own transgressions even more than about atrocities committed against us. The prison fiasco got more press coverage and already congressional hearings and presidential apologies than what followed the murder and mutilation of four American civilian contractors in Iraq. The world has seen the murder of a pregnant mother and her four children and by and large it has not stopped breathing in shock or express its outrage. If it is any consolation, at times it gives the same disproportional attention to celebrities who messed up such as Michael Jackson or that football player who was charged with killing his wife..... consolation of fools indeed. Perhaps when the lives of those bought-up diplomats would be at risk they will understand the dangers of the culture of death better and then perhaps would be willing to truly support and better serve their own countries.

2004© Robbie Friedman, all rights reserved




TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cultofdeath; globaljihad; indoctrination; islam; jihadinamerica; madrassas; palestine; salafi; terror; wahabi
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I don't want to oversell this piece, but in my opinion it should be required reading for anyone who is interested in understanding the daunting task ahead of us in the war on terror.

Much of the source material in this piece is extremely disturbing on an intellectual basis, the video links, which have been translated from Arabic, Farsi or whatever, really drive home the point that we are up against a movement intent on turning its children into the "indoctrinated monster-children created in fundamentalist Islamic Madrassas and Mosques." that we referred to in yesterday's posting "Hazing At Baghdad U."

1 posted on 05/11/2004 7:25:59 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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bttt, really worthwhile read.
2 posted on 05/11/2004 7:40:37 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: johnqueuepublic
INTREP - TROP
3 posted on 05/11/2004 7:49:46 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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4 posted on 05/11/2004 7:59:19 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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those cunning bastards..... I knew that spice was vicious.
5 posted on 05/11/2004 8:00:17 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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The prison fiasco got more press coverage and already congressional hearings and presidential apologies than what followed the murder and mutilation of four American civilian contractors in Iraq.

It would seem that our own press has come under the spell of the Muslim Imam's.

But three days of groveling apologies by the president and the secretary of state? That is highly unlikely to win over any hearts and minds of terrorists. On the contrary, it sends a message of an America that is not sure of itself, that is willing to humiliate itself not merely because it believes that something wrong was done but because it believes that this way it will win (or not lose) "friends."

I would rather the US (as well as myself) have enemies that deeply respect us, than friends one cannot trust.

6 posted on 05/11/2004 8:00:43 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: johnqueuepublic; *JIHAD IN AMERICA; Libertarianize the GOP; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; ...
Thanks for posting this article.
7 posted on 05/11/2004 8:10:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
8 posted on 05/11/2004 8:41:47 AM PDT by SJackson (Slaughter the Jews wherever you find them. Their spilled blood pleases Allah, Haj Amin el-Husseini)
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heh heh heh, had to check the headline again you dog.
9 posted on 05/11/2004 8:54:44 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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it seems that we have both.
10 posted on 05/11/2004 8:55:27 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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You are welcome, thought it was an important piece, especially the video clips. Imho, PLN is doing some great work.
11 posted on 05/11/2004 8:56:16 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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Their clerics even pray that their leader - Arafat - will die as a "martyr""PA Imam Prays for Arafat's Death as Shahid",

Well I can agree with the Iman on this one. The sooner the better. Hell, I'd be glad to help.
12 posted on 05/11/2004 9:03:11 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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from your lips to Allah's ear.
13 posted on 05/11/2004 9:20:27 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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Somebody asked The Prophet: "What is this weakness?" He said: "The love of the world and the dislike of death." (Abu Dawud)

Martyrdom is one of every Muslim’s aims. It is stated in the Quran, “Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living..... Jubilant (are they) because of that which Allah hath bestowed upon them of His bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not joined them but are left behind: that there shall no fear come upon them, neither shall they grieve......Allah wasteth not the wage of the believers.” (Al `Imran: 169-71)

It is worth mentioning that martyrdom is not confined to death for Allah’s sake. Martyrs are also those who have died as a result of some calamitous circumstances not of their own making. (Such as innocent bystanders.)

Islam has had many insults without resulting in jihadist crusades. What is differant now is the hatred of Christian (not Jewish) Western culture that craves graven images (Britney, etc.), materialism, and empowerment of women, to name a few.

Islam was created and promoted with the military and financial cooperation of local Jewish tribes living with the oasis-controlling Arabs to counter the growing power of Christianity. They saw the cult of personality around Jesus succeeding against the Romans. A similar cult figure, Mohammed was seen as the only way to organize the fractious tribes of Arabia.

The problem is that these arcane organizing methods were institutionalized in the Quran and now taken out of context to create today's jihadists. We've stopped fanatical movements before but only with world changing shock, i.e, Hiroshima, etc. I doubt if this scuffle will end with a whimper. Semper fi, carry on.

14 posted on 05/11/2004 9:26:25 AM PDT by gandalftb
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from your lips to Allah's ear.

Please note my tag line. I'd be talking to myself ( kind of like old Mad Mo was...)
15 posted on 05/11/2004 9:58:16 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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noticed it. the first link is broken here is the corrected link Ask For Death
16 posted on 05/11/2004 11:06:20 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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Direct link to video clip "Ask for Death! The Indoctrination of Palestinian Children to Seek Death for Allah"
17 posted on 05/11/2004 11:42:25 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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Jews did not cooperate with Muhammad. When he was making war from Medina he killed anyone who would not submit to Islam. To say that Jews volunteered for Dhimmi status when a central tenet of Islam was to kill them or force them to live in humiliation is similar to saying Jews were behind Hitler.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
18 posted on 05/11/2004 11:58:54 AM PDT by OK
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I believe that your linking of Mohammed and the Jews in opposing Christianity is historically inaccurate and insupportable in face of the facts.
19 posted on 05/11/2004 12:15:57 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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I believe that your linking of Mohammed and the Jews in opposing Christianity is historically inaccurate and insupportable in face of the facts.
20 posted on 05/11/2004 12:16:12 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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