Former Iraqi brass pledges to guard Fallujah

North County Times ^ | 4/30/04 | Darrin Mortenson

[Guillermo]

Smart money says these Iraqi forces join up with the insurgents and starts attacking US forces.

[oceanview]

let's see if we have additional AC130 attacks against the Golan area.

[vbmoneyspender]

His point is that the Republican Guard is roughly equivalent to the SS. The Republican Guard were the shock troops of the Baathist regime.

[stboz]

Charlie Fox all the way.

[kissmyconservativebutt]

But you know all from 6,000 miles away, nevermind.

How many times have you typed this stinking line today? Do you have it cut so you can simply paste it? Get a life. I have stock in Italian companies...how can I do that from 6,000 miles away < /goofy laugh>

[kissmyconservativebutt]

Don't even bother talking to her. Have had to deal with her on another thread. She, unlike Cheney, is a chicken hawk.

[kissmyconservativebutt]

I didn't say SS. I said nazi military.

Stop stealing what you hear other people post on other threads. Isn't that plagurism?

[kissmyconservativebutt]

But you know all from 6,000 miles away, nevermind.

I picture a little girl in the "I know you are but what am I" voice.

[Dane]

Stop stealing what you hear other people post on other threads. Isn't that plagurism?

First of all, what's plagurism?

Second, repeating something that I read earlier on FR(Patton had former nazi miltary in positions of authority in occupied Germany) is not plagarism, but conveying what is a historical fact.

[Littlejon]

Folks, let's take a step back and breathe just a minute.

First, the Marines aren't "retreating" or pulling out of Fallujah. They are moving back off of the front to the outer limits of the city and letting this new Iraqi force move in to clean it up. Like the man said: "If they screw it up or they need our help, we'll be there."

Second, these Iraqi forces can probably do what our boys couldn't: use whatever means necessary to root the enemy out. If our Marines did that, Al Jazeera would have it running 24/7. We'd be seeing dead babies and mothers all over every newspaper in the free world. With the Iraqi force doing the dirty work, if it gets messy, it isn't going to be Marines being blamed. Bush will be, of course, but not the forces over there. In light of the news coming out over prisoners being "humiliated" today, the last thing we need is Marines doing what Marines do best and having Al Jazeera throwing out pregnant mothers in front of them to get a picture of it.

The Iraqi forces will have to take over their own security eventually, so why not let them take care of the biggest mess and see how they do? If they screw it up or get their clocks cleaned, we have more than enough Marines to finish the job, but until they do, why risk more Marines dying? Give our boys a rest and let them come in in the fourth quarter if necessary. Hell, they've already given the Iraqi forces a 21 point lead, so let the second string come in. If they blow the lead, then send the starters back in.

And before anyone starts blasting me, I have been all for letting the Marines take the city down, up until this mess with the pictures of Iraqi prisoners being blasted everywhere. The lib media smells blood and is itching for anything. Give them Marines coming home in flag-draped coffins or civilians dead after the Marines go in and they will be swarming. This way, they have less to work with and our Marines get a breather.

They aren't going anywhere, so don't fret about it. The terrorists know who is waiting in the wings and they know how Marines operate, so I am not too worried that anyone will see this as a "loss" for us, outside of Dan Blather or the New York Slimes, and who really gives a rat's rear-end what those idiots think anyway? At worst, the terrorists will see it as a brief reprieve from getting killed every day. But they will also know that those who were tagging them like they were in a shooting gallery last week are not far away.

This IS NOT a loss on our part, IMHO.

[kissmyconservativebutt]

It has been stated many times on FR that Patton used former nazi military officers in the occupation of Germany.

Apparently you missed everything else on those posts. It was also said that this was after we bombed german cities, civilians and military into the stone age. Guess you overlooked that point. We did it in Japan too, remember that?

[oceanview]

I am not in the "we lost" camp. Right now, I'm in the "let's see what happens" camp.

[kissmyconservativebutt]

I hope to God you are right. Trying not to be a bigot, but most arab nations aren't very good at anything they do, so I have to remain sceptical. Remember when Iran and Iraq fought for 8 years. Did anyone of them accomplich anything? No. Stalemate after 8 years, and that was with us feeding the Iraqis our weapons. They aren't the brightest creatures on the planet.

[oceanview]

on a side note - I don't think this stuff about the iraqi prisoners means much (except to the people already against the war and who hate the US military).

[Dane]

Apparently you missed everything else on those posts. It was also said that this was after we bombed german cities, civilians and military into the stone age. Guess you overlooked that point. We did it in Japan too, remember that?

That is historical fact also, just like Patton using former nazi military in the occupation.

Whew you armchair generals are a testy and nasty lot, IMO.

[Nick Danger]

I dunno, there's an angle to this that I sorta like.

Abu my man! What news of Fallujah?

The Americans have turned it over to Saddam.

What?!?!

Well, not Saddam personally. But his generals and his intelligence officers. The Americans armed them and gave them authority over the city. "A return to law and order," I think they called it.

What happened to the Heroic Islamic Resistance?

Saddam's people killed them all, of course. Now they are torturing citizens to find out who was helping them. It's just like the old days. Sit down, shut up, and hand over your pretty daughters or they shoot you.

The Americans say that one way or the other, Iraqis must learn to police their own cities. If the citizens won't do it, the Americans will find Iraqis who will.

[aodell]

First step in the Bush back-down? I hope not.

[kissmyconservativebutt]

armchair generals

You have been using that one all day long too. You must bore your husband to tears.

[Dane]

She, unlike Cheney, is a chicken hawk

Very revealing with your words there. First you instictively use the liberal perjorative "chicken hawk". I notice that you have been on FR for a month and your posts today were basically doom and gloom about how our forces were surrendering and such.

JMO, I think you are a liberal trying to stir up dissention.