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Former Iraqi brass pledges to guard Fallujah
North County Times ^ | 4/30/04 | Darrin Mortenson

Posted on 04/30/2004 3:59:59 PM PDT by saquin

FALLUJAH, Iraq ---- A dozen former Iraqi generals and intelligence officers met Friday with U.S. military leaders and pledged to lead a brigade of 1,000 Iraqi soldiers to replace the Marines fortifying the city's borders.

But U.S. military officials cautioned that the arrival of the Iraqi forces in this embattled city, possibly as early as today, does not necessarily mean peace.

"They are still doing some planning on how to do a transition from U.S. forces to Iraqi security forces in Fallujah," Marine Col. John Toolan said Friday, choosing his words carefully while describing the new arrangement that other officials Friday called "delicate."

"I've been saying all along that this was all about leadership," Toolan said following a 30-minute meeting with the ex-military leaders of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "And, finally, we've got someone stepping up."

That someone is Staff Gen. Jasim Muhammed Salah, who will lead the newly formed 1st Battalion of the Fallujah Protection Brigade.

Salah said his brigade, which seemed to come out of nowhere over the course of the last week, is part of the "new Army of Iraq."

"We are very happy [to] cooperate with the Marines and Army," he said.

After shaking Salah's hand and telling him they would speak again soon, Toolan said the brief meeting was meant to confirm the Iraqis' commitment to taking over the cordon around Fallujah, which thousands of Marines shed blood to establish and fought hard to hold for nearly a month.

Toolan said he was confident in the generals and their forces, but he refused say when the troops would be in the city or when the Marines would pull back, though some troops started packing Friday.

Even while the generals talked of today's operations and reporters bantered about the sudden outbreak of peace in Fallujah, fighting continued Friday along the city's troublesome northern and western regions along the Euphrates River.

Exploding mortars, probably the same 82 mm shells that insurgents have volleyed at Marines day after day, crashed to the ground where Marine patrols have ventured in the last week.

A 15-minute firefight raged near the old bridge over the Euphrates near where four American security contractors were slain on March 31. Heavy machine guns ripped away furiously for so long that Marine gunners across the river commented that their barrels were probably melting.

And late Friday afternoon, mosques broadcast military marches advocating jihad and speakers called Fallujah the "city of heroes" for battling the Marines.

Marine leaders in the field urged their men not to let their guards down, even though it looked like they would soon be pulling back.

Toolan said the arrival of Iraqi forces does not guarantee peace.

"It still remains a concern that not all the cells operating in the city are buying into their effort," Toolan said of continued fighting Thursday afternoon and night.

He and other officials said there was still much talking to do before taking action.

According to a draft statement issued Friday by I Marine Expeditionary Force officials in Fallujah, the new Iraqi force will work with the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps and Iraqi Police to replace the Marines at checkpoints and strategic points along the cordon around Fallujah.

"The mission of the battalion will be to assist in returning peace and stability to the city of Fallujah, facilitate the flow of support, and foster the rapid reconstruction and employment of citizens inside the city," the statement read.

The arrangement was touted as a "new model of cooperation" that recognized the "security of Al Anbar (province) will ultimately be an Iraqi responsibility. This will be an important step in the transition from Coalition to Iraqi authority."

While the sudden development of an Iraqi force to take over Fallujah may have surprised some on the ground, where Marines have said for weeks they were ready and poised to crush the thousand or more insurgents dug in the city at all cost, there was a growing realization among Marines and their leaders that a victory in Fallujah would have to have an Iraqi face.

"The way I look at it, it had to happen this way," said Lt. Josh Jamison, the young leader of Fox Company's 2nd Platoon, the first infantry platoon to lose a Marine during the initial cordon on April 5 and the first to fight its way into the city from the northwest on April 6.

"We could have attacked them and killed them all ---- and, believe me, all my boys are still ready and capable of doing it," Jamison said Friday after being shown on a map the town some 10 miles from Fallujah where his 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment would soon pull back to. "And Fallujah would pretty much be in rubble. What would we have then?"

Security in Fallujah has to be something the Iraqis do for themselves, Jamison said, adding the Marines would not be too far off if the new Iraqi forces needed help.

"This is really good because we're not really going anywhere," he said. "We're still right here. So if they mess it up or if the Iraqis need us, we're more than ready to come finish the job. I think the people of Fallujah believe that now."

Other troops occupying hard-won positions in the city at first seemed to treat the news that they might be pulling out in a matter of days with some natural skepticism. Plans change every day, they say; besides, insurgents were still shooting at them.

But by Friday evening, many seemed encouraged by the news.

"I still think we should push forward," said Lance Cpl. Ayron Kull, 20, of Niles, Mich., who was just coming off a shift monitoring the late-afternoon firefight in the city Friday.

"But maybe it's good. Let's give the Iraqis a chance. Maybe they can do it and we won't have to come back here and start all over again."


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KEYWORDS: fallujah; handover; icdc; ipa; iraq; iraqibrigade; iraqiofficers; iraqisecurity; jassemsaleh; republicanguard
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To: saquin
Smart money says these Iraqi forces join up with the insurgents and starts attacking US forces.
21 posted on 04/30/2004 5:19:07 PM PDT by Guillermo ("Oh yeah? Well if you do it again, I'm gonna have only one word for you: 'Outta here.'" - Paul Sr.)
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To: WOSG
let's see if we have additional AC130 attacks against the Golan area.
22 posted on 04/30/2004 5:21:52 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Dane
His point is that the Republican Guard is roughly equivalent to the SS. The Republican Guard were the shock troops of the Baathist regime.
23 posted on 04/30/2004 5:22:59 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: saquin
Charlie Fox all the way.
24 posted on 04/30/2004 5:23:24 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Dane
But you know all from 6,000 miles away, nevermind.

How many times have you typed this stinking line today? Do you have it cut so you can simply paste it? Get a life. I have stock in Italian companies...how can I do that from 6,000 miles away < /goofy laugh>

25 posted on 04/30/2004 5:28:56 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Don't even bother talking to her. Have had to deal with her on another thread. She, unlike Cheney, is a chicken hawk.
26 posted on 04/30/2004 5:29:58 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: Dane
I didn't say SS. I said nazi military.

Stop stealing what you hear other people post on other threads. Isn't that plagurism?

27 posted on 04/30/2004 5:31:26 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: Dane
But you know all from 6,000 miles away, nevermind.

I picture a little girl in the "I know you are but what am I" voice.

28 posted on 04/30/2004 5:37:04 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: kissmyconservativebutt
Stop stealing what you hear other people post on other threads. Isn't that plagurism?

First of all, what's plagurism?

Second, repeating something that I read earlier on FR(Patton had former nazi miltary in positions of authority in occupied Germany) is not plagarism, but conveying what is a historical fact.

29 posted on 04/30/2004 5:37:32 PM PDT by Dane
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To: oceanview
Folks, let's take a step back and breathe just a minute.

First, the Marines aren't "retreating" or pulling out of Fallujah. They are moving back off of the front to the outer limits of the city and letting this new Iraqi force move in to clean it up. Like the man said: "If they screw it up or they need our help, we'll be there."

Second, these Iraqi forces can probably do what our boys couldn't: use whatever means necessary to root the enemy out. If our Marines did that, Al Jazeera would have it running 24/7. We'd be seeing dead babies and mothers all over every newspaper in the free world. With the Iraqi force doing the dirty work, if it gets messy, it isn't going to be Marines being blamed. Bush will be, of course, but not the forces over there. In light of the news coming out over prisoners being "humiliated" today, the last thing we need is Marines doing what Marines do best and having Al Jazeera throwing out pregnant mothers in front of them to get a picture of it.

The Iraqi forces will have to take over their own security eventually, so why not let them take care of the biggest mess and see how they do? If they screw it up or get their clocks cleaned, we have more than enough Marines to finish the job, but until they do, why risk more Marines dying? Give our boys a rest and let them come in in the fourth quarter if necessary. Hell, they've already given the Iraqi forces a 21 point lead, so let the second string come in. If they blow the lead, then send the starters back in.

And before anyone starts blasting me, I have been all for letting the Marines take the city down, up until this mess with the pictures of Iraqi prisoners being blasted everywhere. The lib media smells blood and is itching for anything. Give them Marines coming home in flag-draped coffins or civilians dead after the Marines go in and they will be swarming. This way, they have less to work with and our Marines get a breather.

They aren't going anywhere, so don't fret about it. The terrorists know who is waiting in the wings and they know how Marines operate, so I am not too worried that anyone will see this as a "loss" for us, outside of Dan Blather or the New York Slimes, and who really gives a rat's rear-end what those idiots think anyway? At worst, the terrorists will see it as a brief reprieve from getting killed every day. But they will also know that those who were tagging them like they were in a shooting gallery last week are not far away.

This IS NOT a loss on our part, IMHO.
30 posted on 04/30/2004 5:40:03 PM PDT by Littlejon
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To: Dane
It has been stated many times on FR that Patton used former nazi military officers in the occupation of Germany.

Apparently you missed everything else on those posts. It was also said that this was after we bombed german cities, civilians and military into the stone age. Guess you overlooked that point. We did it in Japan too, remember that?

31 posted on 04/30/2004 5:40:24 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: Littlejon
I am not in the "we lost" camp. Right now, I'm in the "let's see what happens" camp.
32 posted on 04/30/2004 5:42:33 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Littlejon
I hope to God you are right. Trying not to be a bigot, but most arab nations aren't very good at anything they do, so I have to remain sceptical. Remember when Iran and Iraq fought for 8 years. Did anyone of them accomplich anything? No. Stalemate after 8 years, and that was with us feeding the Iraqis our weapons. They aren't the brightest creatures on the planet.
33 posted on 04/30/2004 5:42:47 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: Littlejon
on a side note - I don't think this stuff about the iraqi prisoners means much (except to the people already against the war and who hate the US military).
34 posted on 04/30/2004 5:44:10 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: kissmyconservativebutt
Apparently you missed everything else on those posts. It was also said that this was after we bombed german cities, civilians and military into the stone age. Guess you overlooked that point. We did it in Japan too, remember that?

That is historical fact also, just like Patton using former nazi military in the occupation.

Whew you armchair generals are a testy and nasty lot, IMO.

35 posted on 04/30/2004 5:45:15 PM PDT by Dane
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To: saquin

I dunno, there's an angle to this that I sorta like.

    Abu my man! What news of Fallujah?
The Americans have turned it over to Saddam.

    What?!?!
Well, not Saddam personally. But his generals and his intelligence officers. The Americans armed them and gave them authority over the city. "A return to law and order," I think they called it.

    What happened to the Heroic Islamic Resistance?
Saddam's people killed them all, of course. Now they are torturing citizens to find out who was helping them. It's just like the old days. Sit down, shut up, and hand over your pretty daughters or they shoot you.

The Americans say that one way or the other, Iraqis must learn to police their own cities. If the citizens won't do it, the Americans will find Iraqis who will.


36 posted on 04/30/2004 5:45:32 PM PDT by Nick Danger (We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone)
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To: saquin
First step in the Bush back-down? I hope not.
38 posted on 04/30/2004 5:48:44 PM PDT by aodell
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To: Dane
armchair generals

You have been using that one all day long too. You must bore your husband to tears.

39 posted on 04/30/2004 5:50:29 PM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: kissmyconservativebutt
She, unlike Cheney, is a chicken hawk

Very revealing with your words there. First you instictively use the liberal perjorative "chicken hawk". I notice that you have been on FR for a month and your posts today were basically doom and gloom about how our forces were surrendering and such.

JMO, I think you are a liberal trying to stir up dissention.

40 posted on 04/30/2004 5:52:07 PM PDT by Dane
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