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Union troops used Confederate officers as human shields
newsleader ^ | April 24, 2004 | Terry Shulman

Posted on 04/27/2004 6:28:54 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

Edited on 05/07/2004 9:28:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Saddam Hussein's devilish practice of using human shields isn't exactly new. It was pioneered by an American, in fact, during the last year of the Civil War.

"Your officers, now in my hands, will be placed by me under your fire, as an act of retaliation," Union departmental commander Gen. John G. Foster wrote his Southern counterpart in an edict, and with that a sordid new standard was set in the conduct of war.


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To: Lazamataz
Can't applaud Longstreet. After all he recovered his senses, became a Republican and turned his back on his n!gger-lynching friends.

But I am not much interested in hearing the same old D.S. lies about the Noble Cause or atrocities incident to the RAT Rebellion. Had the RATS not rebelled none would have been necessary.

As for those that happened well, just too damn bad.
81 posted on 04/28/2004 11:08:53 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Hmmmm... talking about the dixiecrats--- I mean democrats?! They're alive and well and embodied in Robert Byrd who Dennis Miller once said was launched off the Merrimac in a canon *LOL*
82 posted on 04/28/2004 11:13:01 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Badeye
By "failing to note" the following, no doubt:

General Sherman was only using the old stamping-out-the-grapes-of-wrath rationalization: Northerners rising in righteous might to put down the treason of Southerners who, corrupted by slavery, harbored an evil desire not to want to belong to The Greatest Nation on Earth.
83 posted on 04/28/2004 11:42:53 AM PDT by PeaRidge (Lincoln would tolerate slavery but not competition for his business partners in the North)
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To: PeaRidge
"General Sherman was only using the old stamping-out-the-grapes-of-wrath rationalization: Northerners rising in righteous might to put down the treason of Southerners who, corrupted by slavery, harbored an evil desire not to want to belong to The Greatest Nation on Earth."

There is that viewpoint, to be sure. I think the truth lies somewhere inbetween the two viewpoints, as in most things.
84 posted on 04/28/2004 12:25:35 PM PDT by Badeye
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To: Badeye
, they did in fact put up fierce resistance, from Forts Donnelly and....(can't remember the other one Grant captured).

Actually it was Ft. Donelson, and its fall was as much a result of the incompetence of the commanders as any action by Grant. As "too many cooks spoil the broth", too many Generals can ruin a military force. John Floyd was a political appointment who had been Secretary of War under Buchanan and feared execution for transferring arms and munitions to Southern forts during his term of office. Gideon Pillow was an incompetent old fool who had been a General in the Mexican war, and the two of them fled the Fort further demoralizing the troops and leaving command in the hands of General Simon B. Buckner, an old friend Grant's who thought he would get favorable terms from his old comarde-in-arms. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way.

Fort Henry, which fell a couple of weeks before Donelson, was on the Tennessee River and was poorly sited, poorly constructed, and poorly fortified, succumbed after several hours of naval bombardment from gunboats of Captain Andrew Foote, and Grant, who had landed three miles downstream, was mired up in mud and slush and got to Henry too late to be involved in the fighting.

One real Southern hero who emerged from the Fort Donelson affair was one Colonel Nathan Bedford Forrest, who swore he would lead his command out of the besieged fort or "bust hell wide open". This wasn't the last time Grant would have dealings with the "Wizard of the Saddle".

88 posted on 04/28/2004 7:54:59 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: Badeye
If Grant and Sherman had been in charge of the Union Army at the start, the war would have been over in less than a year. It would have been a short blood bath but the Union would have won.

However if Lee had been in charge of the Union Army, which is what Lincoln wanted in the first place, the war would have been over in six months or less.

McCellan fought the early part of the war just like Johnson fought Vietnam.
89 posted on 04/28/2004 9:18:11 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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To: dayton law dude
"Civil War arguments are always entertaining here...I wonder who will win this time? Confederates or the Yanks?"

The Confederates will win, as always.

The trolls won't realize it, again.
90 posted on 04/28/2004 10:14:40 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Lee Heggy
"Hell has special places for such as Foster."

Yep. He gets to sit next to Sherman.
91 posted on 04/28/2004 10:18:19 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Let's Roll
Yes, it's true. All crimes begin and end with the Union forces in the "War of Northern Aggression"(sarcasm off).
92 posted on 04/28/2004 10:28:34 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: billbears
Well, if I was one of your coworkers, I would remind you that my ancestors kicked your ancestors' asses six ways til Sunday, then spend the rest of the day laughing.
93 posted on 04/28/2004 10:40:08 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: BadAndy; stainlessbanner
I view these posts as attempts to damage American pride and to establish moral equivalency between the US and its enemies. Note that such historical revelations are never used to highlight the savagery, barbarism, atrocities and genocide committed by our enemies.

"Our" enemies?

Right now, the South is part of America and what was done to their American ancestors is American history.

Have you ever considered that the people from Massachussetts and New York pouring artillery fire on the civilians in the City of Charleston, South Carolina from Morris Island, in frustration because they were unable to capture the Confederate-held Fort Sumpter, might be considered "the enemy" to Charlestonians, South Carolinians and other Southerners?

On the average, I would say that, in the year 2004, the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states.

Being an "American" or being part of the U.S. does not mean you have to kiss the butt of those who were born and raised north of the Potomac River.

94 posted on 04/28/2004 10:44:55 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Josef Stalin
I was just down in Charleston and the ordinance of Secession was on diplay. Primarily notating the various breaches of the compact between the States, and the imposition of Central government tyranny as cause for secession.

Primarily noting slavery, actually, a fact you guys can be truthful about.

The Pillow incident was late in the war, and the North was using the blacks to taunt and humiliate the CSA. So naturally a lot of pent up rage came into play with that battle.

You're excusing an atrocity??!! The murder of hundreds of POWs??!!

As far as the KKK is concerned your fellow Democrat Robert Byrd being a member,...

You are a liar. I've never voted Dem in my life.

...was originally formed to fight back against the corruption of the carpetbaggers and extremists who still were out to punish the South.

No, they formed to deny blacks their rights and to keep Republicans from the polls.

In the early 20's the KKK came back as a mostly anti black organization,...

They were anti-black in the 1860s also. Black-POW-murderer Forrest was Grand Wizard.

...and if you look at the photos of the rallies, they were all carrying USA flags.

So? Are you denying that it was rebels who formed the KKK? They wore sheets to symbolize fallen confederate soldiers.

Its not until lately with the Jerry Springer actors playing KKK goons that you see the CSA flag and the KKK together, as well as a few wannabe groups. The KKK that actually lynched people flew the the stars and stripes, so is the USA flag the "flag of hate"?

Why are you asking me that? I never said the coinfederate flag was a flag of hate. I have always said it is a flag for the soldiers. The slaveholder-secessionists were full of hate though, as was the early Klan.

It seems that you are the one playing the "half truth" game, or you do it out of ignorance getting your history from Al Sharpton and CNN.

What half-truth?

95 posted on 04/28/2004 11:18:53 PM PDT by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: Polybius
On the average, I would say that, in the year 2004, the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states.

The county-by-county map of the 2000 election on my homepage shows that the differences are rural vs. urban, not North versus South. The North just has bigger cities that end up swinging the entire state. One of Bush's biggest block of red counties in a higher-popluated area goes from northest Ohio almost to St Louis.

96 posted on 04/28/2004 11:24:15 PM PDT by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
On the average, I would say that, in the year 2004, the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states.

The county-by-county map of the 2000 election on my homepage shows that the differences are rural vs. urban, not North versus South. The North just has bigger cities that end up swinging the entire state.

Which is precisely why I wrote, "On the average,....the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states."

"Counties" don't vote. Citizens do.

"Cows in rural counties" don't vote. Citizens do.

"Square acreage" doesn't vote. Citizens do.

My statement stands:

"On the average, I would say that, in the year 2004, the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states."

97 posted on 04/28/2004 11:37:45 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Which is precisely why I wrote, "On the average,....the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states."

That's a bad way to put it though...misleading. I would put citizens of Indianapolis or Cincinnati against those of Atlanta and Miami and consider my odds pretty good. Likewise the rural areas here would do fine against rural areas in Louisiana or Tennessee.

"Counties" don't vote. Citizens do. "Cows in rural counties" don't vote. Citizens do. "Square acreage" doesn't vote. Citizens do.

Really Sherlock?

My statement stands: "On the average, I would say that, in the year 2004, the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states."

In order to not be misleading, I would add that "being that the northern states have a higher percentage of urban voters", but if you want to mislead, then that is your choice.

98 posted on 04/28/2004 11:44:49 PM PDT by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
That's a bad way to put it though...misleading. I would put citizens of Indianapolis or Cincinnati against those of Atlanta and Miami and consider my odds pretty good. Likewise the rural areas here would do fine against rural areas in Louisiana or Tennessee.

What part of "on the average" do you have trouble understanding?

The number of liberals in New York, Massachusetts and New England overwhelm the number of conservatives you may have in Indiana and Ohio.

Also, in the bombardment of Charleston, there were no Indiana or Ohio units.

"Counties" don't vote. Citizens do. "Cows in rural counties" don't vote. Citizens do. "Square acreage" doesn't vote. Citizens do.

Really Sherlock?

Yes, really. It's a very elementary point but it seems to have to be pointed out to people such as you who seems to think that the square acreage of counties who go for a certain candidate somehow has more meaning than the absolute number of citizens that vote for a candidate.

My statement stands: "On the average, I would say that, in the year 2004, the citizens of the conservative Southern states are more supportive of the United States of America than are the citizens of the liberal Northern states."

In order to not be misleading, I would add that "being that the northern states have a higher percentage of urban voters", but if you want to mislead, then that is your choice.

Ummmm,....genius,.....an urban voter's vote carries just as much weight as a rural voters vote.

What matters is the absolute number of voters.

Yes, Northern states have more liberal, metro-sexual, left-wing, anti-American, anti-religious, U.N.-loving, Hillary-electing, America-hating voters than Southern states do and they happen to like living in cities rather than in rural areas so that they don't break a fingernail mending a fence or get their Gucci loafers muddy.

99 posted on 04/29/2004 12:32:34 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Badeye
The thing that sill puzzles me about the Civil War is the great distances these men traveled on little or no roads.

It took me a long time to realize how they fed them, they pillaged farmers, but it must have been hell for both sides.

I live close to Gettysburg and have visited often. It still amazes me how they got there in the first place. I guess they took I-95? Yea, sure.

Just imagine walking from somewhere in the deep south to Pennsylvania. Awesome.

100 posted on 04/29/2004 12:52:25 AM PDT by AGreatPer (I smoke and it stinks, agreed. But what about the cologne those ladies wear?)
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