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To: jwalburg
Well overall he makes some good points;

Instead, Islamist versions of totalitarianism are spreading with remarkable rapidity, confident that they will in short order triumph over the decadent West.

just isn't backed up by fact. The Islamists have had one success since 9/11 - namely Spain. While they have forced the cowardly Spanish to leave the fight, that has to be balanced against losing Afghanistan as their primary base of operation, losing Iraq as a source of funding and potentially WMDs, and frankly facing annhiliation - and oh yes the almost certain death of their charismatic leader Osama.

While there should remain the worry the left will succeed in its goal to use the terrorists for domestic political gain, so far it is really only a worry as Bush and co have outplayed them to this point.
4 posted on 04/18/2004 7:17:40 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
Agreed. The true example of underestimating the enemy is being provided by the Islamists. They don't seem to realize that their only real ally is the internal division of the West and particularly America. You don't win wars if your victory is totally dependent on the enemy not really fighting back.

One true "success" on their part, probably more devastating than 9/11, will not herald their victory.

It will only be the prelude to Americans closing ranks against and destroying them.
5 posted on 04/18/2004 7:34:40 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: swilhelm73
Well, they have success of France and Germany too. They have success of more US pressure on India and Success of even more of US support/defense of Saudies and they have success of exterminating all remaining Christian of Kosovo with US/NATO support and success of tearing Makedonia in half and still success of war of exterminating in Sudan and success of seizing north half of Nigeria and success of getting rid of socialist dictator of Iraq so fanaticism rise higher.

Before they have success of 73 invasion of Cyprus and mass extermination. Mass extermination of Christian in Lebanon and success of having PLO saved by US from Israel. They have success of Bosnia, Yugoslavia (Kosovo), they still have success of mass exterminations of Christian in Indonesia...overall they do not do so bad.

While US/Britian/Italy/Poland/Bulgaria fight on front of Afghanistan and Iraq and Israel fight on front of Palistine and Russia on front of Checnya, Uzbekistan, Tazikistan, Turkmanistan, they fight on front of:

Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Sudan, Eritria, Nigeria, France, Britian, Spain, Germany, Russia (Chechnya), Uzbekistan, India, Afghanistan, Phillipines, Indonesia, and Makedonia amongst just some. Over all they strike where others weak and there they win and if win enough they turn that to snowballing effect of avalanche.

6 posted on 04/18/2004 7:47:29 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: swilhelm73
just isn't backed up by fact. The Islamists have had one success since 9/11 - namely Spain. While they have forced the cowardly Spanish to leave the fight, that has to be balanced against losing Afghanistan as their primary base of operation, losing Iraq as a source of funding and potentially WMDs, and frankly facing annhiliation - and oh yes the almost certain death of their charismatic leader Osama.

Not quite correct -- theIslamists primary base of operations has moved across the border toPakistan, and their primary source of funding -- Saudi A is untouched and still pumping billions to them (mostly American money from our buying of their oil).
20 posted on 04/19/2004 4:06:48 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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