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GEORGE SOROS FUNDING ARLEN SPECTER!!!!!
Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 04/14/2004 9:12:12 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Rush just said it on the air! If that is not enough to remove Conservative support from Spector, I dont know what is.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2004; donors; electionussenate; gopprimary; liberal; mainstreetfund; rush; soros; specter; traitor
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To: mewzilla
Or maybe Specter denied both. Specter's not belonging to the group, however, is demonstrably false.
121 posted on 04/14/2004 3:03:37 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: restornu
Rush blew it...

He allowed Specter to come on air and simply whine that he had nothing to do with Soros or the group that "contributed to his campaign".

I did NOT hear Rush ask the two most important questions:
1. Did your campaign in FACT receive the money from any SOROS connected source at any time?
2. If so, did you, or do you plan to keep the money.
3. WHY, to all the above.

Semper Fi
123 posted on 04/14/2004 3:06:35 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: concerned about politics
Soros knows Conservatives would be upset if they thought Soros was behind him.

Why did Soros support him in '96?

124 posted on 04/14/2004 3:08:41 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Arlen Specter supports the International Crime Court having jurisdiction over US soldiers)
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To: river rat; Cboldt; Pukin Dog; mewzilla
"...Nor, as time went on, did [Barry] McCaffrey encourage input from activists who he happened to disagree with. In part, this was just politics. Conservatives in Congress might have killed him if, for example, he attended the meeting with George Soros that Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., once attempted to arrange..."
125 posted on 04/14/2004 3:22:29 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: river rat
I did NOT hear Rush ask the two most important questions: 1. Did your campaign in FACT receive the money from any SOROS connected source at any time?

The answer to that would be NO. The group is spending $200,000 to help get Specter elected, but it has not donated any money to Specter's campaign.

Likewise, if you ask if he is a member of the Main Street Group, he will say no. But, if you ask if he is a member of a coalition of legislators that calls themselves the Mainstreet (I don't remember exactly what they call themselves, but make sure the question uses the right name), he'll have to say "Yes."

IMO, Specter is a creep. I hope the Republican voters of Pennsylvania choose Toomey to run in the general election.

126 posted on 04/14/2004 3:38:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: spycatcher
Wow. Nice find. Wonder just how well Specter knows Soros?
127 posted on 04/14/2004 3:39:57 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: concerned about politics; Tribune7; Incorrigible; republicanwizard
Concerned wrote:

Soros knows Conservatives would be upset if they thought Soros was behind him.

Ping for a similar statement in the above post. Looks like Soros and Specter are old friends or something.

128 posted on 04/14/2004 3:40:46 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Cboldt
But they're the same people, since the fund is raised and spent by the group. How Clintonian on Specter's part.
129 posted on 04/14/2004 3:42:56 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Cboldt
I could be that Specter has avoided direct contribututions from Soros since 1996, so as to protect his right flank.

But there may be other Soros-funded entities that he's tapped into before this cycle.
130 posted on 04/14/2004 3:43:47 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Cboldt
Excellent points...
With these "clever" bastards....you really need to parse the Questions and the Answers....

Thanks for the clarification..
Spector has never been on my list of "respected" Congress Critters..

Semper Fi
131 posted on 04/14/2004 4:11:58 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: mewzilla
But they're the same people, since the fund is raised and spent by the group. How Clintonian on Specter's part.

I'm doing some digging now. You might like to see the list of members ...

Elected officials who are members of the Partnership (The RMSP)


Rep. Charles Bass, New Hampshire (http://www.house.gov/bass/)
Rep. Douglas Bereuter, Nebraska (http://www.house.gov/bereuter/)
Rep. Judy Biggert, Illinois (http:www.house.gov/biggert/)
Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, New York (http://www.house.gov/boehlert/)
Rep. Mary Bono, California (http://www.house.gov/bono/)
Rep. Jeb Bradley, New Hampshire (http://www.house.gov/bradley/)
Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida (http://www.house.gov/brown-waite/)
Rep. Ken Calvert, California (http://www.house.gov/calvert/)
Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan (http://www.house.gov/camp/)
Rep. Mike Castle, Delaware (http://www.house.gov/castle/)
Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia (http://www.house.gov/capito/)
Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island (http://www.senate.gov/~chafee/)
Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota (http://coleman.senate.gov/)
Sen. Susan Collins, Maine (http://www.senate.gov/~collins/)
Rep. Tom Davis, Virginia (http://www.house.gov/tomdavis/)
Rep. David Dreier, California (http://dreier.house.gov/)
Rep. Vern Ehlers, Michigan (http://www.house.gov/ehlers/)
Gov. Robert Ehrlich, Maryland (http://www.gov.state.md.us/)
Rep. Phil English, Pennsylvania (http://www.house.gov/english/)
Rep. Michael Ferguson, New Jersey (http://www.house.gov/ferguson/)
Rep. Mark Foley, Florida (http://www.house.gov/foley/)
Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey (http://www.house.gov/frelinghuysen/)
Governor Jim Geringer, Wyoming (http://www.state.wy.us/governor/governor_home.html)
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland (http://www.house.gov/gilchrest/)
Rep. Paul Gillmor, Ohio (http://www.house.gov/gillmor/)
Rep. Porter Goss, Florida (http://www.house.gov/goss/)
Rep. Kay Granger, Texas (http://www.house.gov/granger/)
Rep. Jim Greenwood, Pennsylvania (http://www.house.gov/greenwood/)
Rep. David Hobson, Ohio (http://www.house.gov/hobson/)
Rep. Amo Houghton, New York (http://www.house.gov/houghton/)
Rep. Johnny Isakson, Georgia (http://www.house.gov/isakson/)
Rep. Nancy Johnson, Connecticut (http://www.house.gov/nancyjohnson/)
Rep. Tim Johnson, Illinois (http://www.house.gov/timjohnson/)
Rep. Sue Kelly, New York (http://www.house.gov/suekelly/)
Rep. Mark Kirk, Illinois (http://www.house.gov/kirk/)
Rep. Jim Kolbe, Arizona (http://www.house.gov/kolbe/)
Rep. Ray LaHood, Illinois (http://www.house.gov/lahood/)
Rep. Steve LaTourette, Ohio (http://www.house.gov/latourette/)
Rep. James Leach, Iowa (http://www.house.gov/leach/)
Rep. Jerry Lewis, California (http://www.house.gov/jerrylewis/)
Gov. Linda Lingle, Hawaii (http://www.hawaii.gov/gov/)
Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey (www.house.gov/lobiondo)
Sen. John McCain, Arizona (http://www.senate.gov/~mccain/)
Rep. Jim McCrery, Louisiana (http://www.house.gov/mccrery/)
Rep. George Nethercutt, Washington (http://www.house.gov/nethercutt/)
Rep. Tom Osborne, Nebraska (http://www.house.gov/osborne/)
Rep. Doug Ose, California (http://www.house.gov/ose/)
Gov. George E. Pataki, New York (http://www.state.ny.us/governor/)
Rep. Thomas Petri, Wisconsin (http://www.house.gov/petri/)
Rep. Todd Platts, Pennsylvania (www.house.gov/platts)
Rep. Jon Porter, Nevada (http://www.house.gov/porter/)
Rep. Deborah Pryce, Ohio (http://www.house.gov/pryce/)
Rep. Jack Quinn, New York (http://www.house.gov/quinn/)
Rep. Jim Ramstad, Minnesota (http://www.house.gov/ramstad/)
Rep. Ralph Regula, Ohio (http://www.house.gov/regula/)
Sen. Pat Roberts, Kansas (http://www.senate.gov/~roberts/)
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, California (http://www.governor.ca.gov)
Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr., Florida (http://www.house.gov/shaw/)
Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut (http://www.house.gov/shays/)
Rep. Rob Simmons, Connecticut (http://www.house.gov/simmons/)
Sen. Gordon Smith, Oregon (http://www.senate.gov/~gsmith/)
Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine (http://www.senate.gov/~snowe/)
Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania (http://www.senate.gov/~specter/)
Sen. Ted Stevens, Alaska (http://www.senate.gov/~stevens/)
Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan (http://www.house.gov/upton/)
Rep. Greg Walden, Oregon (http://www.house.gov/walden/)
Rep. Jim Walsh, New York (http://www.house.gov/walsh/)
Rep. Curt Weldon, Pennsylvania (http://www.house.gov/curtweldon/)
Rep. Jerry Weller, Illinois (http://www.house.gov/weller/)

Board of Directors


Mike Castle, President
Susan Collins, Board Member
Tom Davis, Board Member
Amory Houghton, Board Member and Founder
Donald Kendall, Board Member (Former PepsiCo Inc. Chairman and CEO)
Doug Ose, Board Member
Sarah Chamberlain Resnick, Executive Director
Alan K. Simpson, Board Member (R-Wyoming) served in the United States Senate
Olympia Snowe, Board Member
Fred Upton, Board Member

http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/ <-- Link

Destination: Bermuda - The Fairmont Southampton Hotel
Date: April 16-20, 2004
We are planning this years' RMSP Policy trip with our Congressional, Chairman Circle and Benefactor Corporate Members.

Hmmm. I wonder who the Benefactor Corporate Members are?

Anyway, mewzilla, you are right. This is the same outfit that took money from Soros, and Specter is a member of the group, according to the website as it is now constituted.

Republican Main Street Partnership
1350 I Street, NW
Suite 560
Washington, DC 20005

132 posted on 04/14/2004 4:14:38 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mewzilla
Here's a good decription of the relationship, as uncovered by somebody working in California. Note in particular the distinction between RMSP and MSIF. Specter will deny being a member of MSIF, but he cannot deny being a member of RMSP.

The link is --> KTKZ AM 1380 - Sacramento's Talk and News Station

Ose's Republican Main Street Partnership - Attacks Oller There has been great concern about the "Republican Main Street Partnership" and the "Main Street Individual Fund". The RMSR have endorsed Mary Ose for the 3rd Congressional campaign in the backyeard of Sacramento. Mary, the sister of Congressman Doug Ose, is looking to replace Doug in this year's Republican Primary. Mary Ose is a moderate Republican and RMSP is a group that supports pragmatic, moderate Republican candidtaes in GOP Primary races.

The concern starts with Doug Ose sitting on the RMSP Board, appearing in Mary Ose TV ads, writing letters and making tlelphone calls on behalf of Mary Ose's campaing. All of these actions are legal, as long as Doug Ose does not raise money outside of the Federal Election Laws. The "Main Street Individual Fund" is a side committee for the RMSP, that is raising money outside of the control these Federal Laws. The Main Street Individual Fund has been collecting large amounts of money and running radio ads in Sacramento, attacking State Senator Rico Oller and exposing - as they say - his spousal abuse past and violent behavior.

I believe that this group, Main Street Individual Fund, is in violation of Federal Election Law. There can be no coordinating between the RMSP and the MSIF, due to the fact that the MSIF can raise money without limits and control...a federal law is a law!

Also, Congressman Doug Ose sits on the board of RMSP and there is a relationship with this group and the 'money machine' of MSIF, once again, illegal if Ose is operating a board position and directing campaign cash for a Republican candidate.

133 posted on 04/14/2004 4:25:57 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Dales
The fact that Soros wants Arlen to win should really make those who want to vote Specter in this primary rethink their position

$50,000 bucks to a multi-billionaire is $2.00 to me.

I would gladly give that $2.00 to Kerry if it were to cast aspersions on him implying that he is solicitating funds from wealthy republicans (me and not!) for undisclosed reasons....

Whatever the reason for the donation and despite Specter's coming forth on Rush's program to denounce it, it seems to have had little effect on several folks on this forum.........but then again, there are many around here who were born with pinecones up their butts and there just ain't no pleasin' em no matter what the facts are.....

134 posted on 04/14/2004 4:27:14 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm with the Federal Bureau of Mattresses and Pillows and I'm here to check your tags!)
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To: Pukin Dog
Pat Toomey BUMP
135 posted on 04/14/2004 4:33:45 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Every heart beats true for the red ,white and blue!)
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To: mewzilla
This "group" is really something. Here is another tidbit, of particular interest to me because Snowe is one of my Senators, and her husband directs money from the "money side" of this little clique.

Note too, the complaint from a New York Republican. This "Soros -> GOP" link should and could pop-up in any race of a member!


G o o g l e's cache of http://www.stargazettenews.com/local/Sulocal5.html

Local News for Sunday 3/28/04

Group with Houghton ties raised money from Bush critic

- Funds go to entities created by Main Street Partnership that raise soft money.

By JOHN MACHACEK
Star-Gazette Washington Bureau
jmachace@gns.gannett.com

WASHINGTON -- A group supporting moderate Republicans, led by New York Rep. Amo Houghton, has pocketed $50,000 from George Soros -- one of President Bush's harshest critics -- even as the GOP tries to stop the liberal billionaire from helping Democratic-leaning groups pay for anti-Bush ads.

The Soros connection has put Houghton on the spot at home. Conservative Mark Assini, a Rochester-area county legislator hoping to challenge the veteran congressman in a GOP primary this fall, accuses Houghton of betraying Bush and the Republican Party by "partnering" with Soros.

But there are also questions about whether groups such as the Republican Main Street Partnership, the organization that Houghton helped establish and now finances, should use different entities to raise "soft money," unlimited amounts of unregulated cash from corporations, labor unions and wealthy individuals like Soros.

Another issue is whether these fund-raising entities create an appearance that federal lawmakers are illegally raising soft money to help elect candidates.

"There is always that worry," Houghton said in an interview.

The Corning-based Republican, who will announce in April whether to seek an 10th term, said he asked Soros last year before his attacks on Bush to support the Partnership. But Houghton said he wasn't aware that any of Soros' money had ended up in an independent soft money account.

"George Soros is a very controversial person ... and I don't like what he is doing against Bush," Houghton said.

"As far as his contribution to Main Street goes, anything he can do to help Republicans is fine, too. It's not a lot of money and, frankly, we haven't asked for a lot of money from people."

The new campaign finance law bars members of Congress and political parties from raising soft money, but exempts independent political organizations from that restriction.

Such a loophole has enabled activists in both parties to create a new set of groups, known as 527s, to raise and spend soft money for campaign advertising and voter turnout drives. The groups derive their name from the section of the tax code that gives them tax-exempt status.

The campaign finance law took effect in November 2002. Before that time, the Republican Main Street Partnership raised soft money through a 527 committee controlled by its board of directors, which included Houghton and six other members of Congress.

Houghton said he fought for a total ban on soft money when Congress debated campaign finance reform, but he is now willing to have it used to help moderate Republicans fend off conservative GOP attacks.

Independent committees

To comply with the law, the Partnership abolished its original 527 controlled by members of Congress and dumped about $178,000 of remaining funds in late 2002 into new independent soft money entities.

They are the Main Street Fund, which solicits groups, unions and businesses for donations, and the Main Street Individual Fund, which raises money from wealthy individuals aimed at helping specific candidates.

The two funds are legally independent from the Partnership's board of directors.

By the end of last year, the two funds had raised a combined $562,389 in soft money from donors that included a few New York investment bankers, high-tech CEOs, groups such as the National Education Association and Soros. Houghton also contributed $25,000.

Meanwhile, the Club for Growth, a rival conservative GOP group targeting moderate Republicans, has raised $3.2 million in soft money, according to reports filed with the Internal Revenue Service.

Larry Noble, a former FEC general counsel, said these independent groups should be regulated by the Federal Election Commission and required to raise a limited amount of money from its sources.

"It is clear that the 527 groups were set up with the express purpose of electing Democratic or Republican candidates for federal office, and as such they cannot be used to funnel soft money back into the election," Noble, of the Center for Responsive Politics, recently told a Senate committee.

The FEC is debating which 527 committees it should regulate and how much soft money they should be permitted to raise and spend.

Although Houghton and the other members of Congress don't control the Main Street groups, their mere presence on the Partnership's board of directors could create an appearance of soliciting soft money, say some campaign finance experts.

Noble said contributors blur the lines of the committees' legal structures.

"It clearly raises the issue of whether or not it is putting federal officeholders back in the business of at least appearing like they are soliciting soft money," he said.

"The real question is whether or not their names are being thrown around in the solicitation of soft money."

Main Street connections

The two Main Street funds and the Partnership's board of directors use the same staff and have the same lawyer, former FEC chairman Trevor Potter.

The Partnership's former chairman, former Maine governor and congressman John "Jock" McKernan Jr., also was chairman and a director of the two Main Street soft-money funds. Business commitments forced him to step down from his fund activities late last year, Partnership officials said.

But McKernan was still listed as a consultant "exercising control" over the Main Street Individual Fund, according to a fund-raising report it filed with the FEC in February. Some of the soft-money donors in that report also contributed to the Partnership's original, now-defunct 527 operation.

McKernan's wife, Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, remains on the Partnership's board along with Houghton. Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Reps. Mike Castle of Delaware, Tom Davis of Virginia, Doug Ose of California and Fred Upton of Michigan also serve on the board.

Other current directors of the two Main Street Funds are Sarah Chamberlain Resnick, the Partnership's executive director, and Bob Duke, previously a Partnership consultant. Resnick says she works on her own time as a paid "custodian of records and contact person" for the two Main Street Funds.

Resnick said the members of Congress on the Partnership's board do not make fund-raising decisions for the two Main Street funds.

She said she takes her fund-raising direction from Duke, a Staunton, Va., resident, who has raised money for the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City and is a past contributor to Houghton's congressional campaigns.

Potter believes the legal walls he built between the Partnership and the soft money fund-raising committees are thick enough to guard against any appearance of impropriety.

"There is no question that moderate Republicans are involved with these soft money groups, but they aren't members of Congress," he said.

Resnick said "Bob Duke solely runs the individual fund and raises money from his friends."

Soros connection

Enter Soros, whose attacks on Bush's policies on fighting terrorism and the war in Iraq last summer drew national attention and infuriated many Republican leaders.

Soros, one of the world's wealthiest men, has contributed mostly to Democratic candidates and groups over the last few years.

But he has also supported Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and moderate Republicans in addition to the Republican Main Street Partnership, according to campaign finance disclosures.

"George Soros believes that the Republican Party has been captured by the extremist wing of the party and that's why he would support moderate Republicans," said Michael Vachon, a Soros spokesman.

Soros gave $50,000 to the Main Street Individual Fund in April 2002, several months before he attacked Bush and pledged to give $10 million to independent committees allied with Democrats for anti-Bush TV ads.

Resnick said Soros also offered a "seven-figure contribution" to the policy side of the Republican Main Street Partnership, which promotes the "moderate Republican agenda."

But she said the Partnership board "didn't care for any of his money at that point." Houghton said he was unaware of that offer from Soros.

Houghton's future

Houghton and his supporters do not believe Soros will be a factor in a race for the GOP nomination in New York's 29th District.

Assini, who is backed by the Rochester area's Conservative Party, is making it an issue and wants to force Houghton into a primary fight if the congressman decides to run again.

Assini, 44, charged that the Soros contribution is another indicator of how Houghton has opposed the conservative course that Bush and the national Republican Party have charted on major fiscal and social issues.

"A partnership between George Soros and Amo Houghton is an unholy partnership," Assini said.

But Houghton noted that top New York Republican officials and a leading Bush adviser have both publicly and privately urged him to run.

"Apparently, this guy (Assini) has his own ideas that aren't in sync with any of the Republican leaders in New York state or Washington," said Robert Van Wicklin, Houghton's chief of staff.

"It seems strange to me that if Amo is such a problem for the Republican Party that they would want him to stay around."

Fund donors

A group of moderate Republicans created the Main Street Individual Fund and Main Street Fund at the end of 2002 to raise "soft money," largely unregulated and unlimited funds from groups, corporations and wealthy donors.

The two independent fund-raising committees have raised a total of $562,389. Here are the top donors to the two committees since their creation:

Campaign finance law primer

A new campaign finance law that took effect after the 2002 elections prohibits national political parties and federal candidates and officeholders from raising unlimited amounts of unregulated cash, known as "soft money."

To fill the void, supporters of lawmakers and political parties are establishing groups to raise these funds under section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code, which grants them tax-exempt status.

Using a loophole in the new campaign finance law, these so-called 527 groups -- independent political and special-interest organizations -- can skirt federal contribution limits to legally raise unlimited amounts of money from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals.

These fund-raising committees can spend the money for campaign advertising and voter turnout drives as long as they do so independently of the candidates they are supporting.

Gannett News Service

136 posted on 04/14/2004 4:43:59 PM PDT by Cboldt
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137 posted on 04/14/2004 4:46:02 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Arlen Specter supports the International Crime Court having jurisdiction over US soldiers)
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To: Tribune7
Once again, it boils down to Roe v. Wade.

BTTT
138 posted on 04/14/2004 5:38:16 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina
Actually, I think it has almost as much to do with internationalism.
139 posted on 04/14/2004 5:47:44 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Arlen Specter supports the International Crime Court having jurisdiction over US soldiers)
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To: BJClinton
TOOMEY ENDORSEMENTS.
Please note that Bob Bork is among them...and let us NOT forget who *borked* him.

Steve Forbes, Publisher, Former Presidential Candidate
“I happily endorse Pat Toomey. He is a tireless and effective advocate of the principles – and the policies that flow them – that make our country great. He believes firmly in the three unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness enumerated in our Declaration of Independence… Should he be elected, Pat Toomey will be an effective member of the United States Senate who will do his constituents and the entire nation proud.”

Judge Robert Bork, Reagan Nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court, Judge on U.S. Court of Appeals and U.S. Solicitor General
“I am endorsing Pat Toomey because I believe he exhibits the principles that America needs in the U.S. Senate. In addition, if Arlen Specter chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, activist, liberal judges will populate the federal judiciary, which will result in the undermining of the Constitution and a liberal agenda for America. Senator Specter chairing the Judiciary Committee is a frightening concept for conservatives and those who believe in the principles of the Constitution as set forth by those who ratified it.”

Grover Norquist, President, Americans for Tax Reform
“The next U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania should be a Republican with a strong record of fighting for lower taxes and less government – Pat Toomey is that man.”

M. Kirk Pickerel, President and CEO, Associated Builders and Contractors
“I have personally known and worked with Congressman Toomey for many years, and I am very pleased that our six Pennsylvania chapters and our national association have endorsed his campaign for the United States Senate. Pat Toomey is a principled champion of commonsense solutions for small businesses. He supports real relief for taxpayers and he promotes the free-enterprise philosophy. Our members and I know from first-hand experience that Pat Toomey will make an outstanding Senator for all Pennsylvanians.”

Jim Broussard, Chairman, Citizens Against Higher Taxes
“Pennsylvanians need and deserve a Senator who strongly supports President Bush’s conservative agenda. Pat Toomey is right on the issues and is the best candidate for U.S. Senate.”


Paul Beckner, President, Citizens for a Sound Economy
“Pat Toomey’s leadership on issues such as Social Security reform and lower taxes is unrivaled in the U.S. Congress. Pat truly understands the issues that our economy and this nation face and more importantly has the courage to address them.”
140 posted on 04/14/2004 6:32:13 PM PDT by Nix 2 (http://cachelot.blogspot.com for Skerry stuff)
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