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Muslims 'must not denounce other Muslims'
The Telegraph ^ | 01/04/2004 | Staff

Posted on 04/01/2004 3:24:49 AM PST by ijcr

Muslims cannot co-operate with local authorities against other members of the faith, the outspoken leader of an Islamic group has said.

Sheikh Omar: Muslims have a unique way of life Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad was reacting to a call from the Muslim Council of Britain for the community to play its part in the fight against terrorism, following the anti-terrorism raids earlier this week in which eight men were arrested.

The mainstream Council is trying to limit "rogue" Islamic preachers, blaming them for brainwashing young men and promoting holy war against the West

But Sheikh Omar told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Muslims have a unique way of life. Co-operating with the authorities against any other Muslims, that is an act of apostasy in Islam.

"Having said that, Muslims in Britain have the right to defend themselves, but without the use of violence. They can gather together, speak with the imams.

"The imams themselves should lecture the Muslim community, not the Muslim Council of Britain who are all of them a bunch of seculars."

Sheikh Omar complained that the media was "demonising" the Muslim community in Britain, and that a "cycle of violence" has been created by both terrorists and the British and American response.

But Shahid Malik, a member of Labour's governing National Executive Committee said that the Muslim Council of Britain's actions had been "very appropriate, very responsible".

Mr Malik said: "We cannot live in a fantasy world. Half-a-tonne of ammonium nitrate was found. I think that has been a big wake-up call, and I think that has been the catalyst for the action of the Muslim Council.

"Those involved in terrorism are not following the Muslim and Islamic way. Anybody involved in crime, it is the duty of all citizens to help the police and report them."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: islam; jihadineurope; madpoet; muslims; religionofpieces
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Nothing new in this line of thinking,the Democratic Party has been practising this philosophy for years.
1 posted on 04/01/2004 3:24:49 AM PST by ijcr
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To: ijcr
YEP
2 posted on 04/01/2004 3:27:03 AM PST by rrrod
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To: ijcr
Sheikh Omar reinforces the distrust we have in "moderate Islam"
3 posted on 04/01/2004 3:28:33 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: ijcr
So whatever the worst Muslim does, all the others are bound to it, bound to defend it, bound to honor it.
4 posted on 04/01/2004 3:36:38 AM PST by samtheman
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To: ijcr

End terrorism, kill terrorists.






5 posted on 04/01/2004 3:38:34 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: B4Ranch
Why we don't hear from CAIR about the executions,burning. mutilation,dragging and display of the bodies?
6 posted on 04/01/2004 3:42:08 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: ijcr
So when animals behave as they did in Fallujah yesterday, all muslims are bound to back these actions?
You see we here in the civilized world feel that everyone everywhere should denounce these attrocities.
OUr patience is fast coming to an end and we here in the west are tired of the crap coming from the mideast.
This crap keeps happening and many of us here are going to be calling for serious reprisels and maybe evan nukes.
Send the bastards to hell.
7 posted on 04/01/2004 3:46:10 AM PST by Joe Boucher (G.W. Bush in 2004)
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But Sheikh Omar told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Muslims have a unique way of life. Co-operating with the authorities against any other Muslims, that is an act of apostasy in Islam.

Interesting Theo;ogy. It means that everyone of 'em is guilty. Forget the phrase "Kill em all and let God sort it out" and replace it with the much simplified "Kill em all".

8 posted on 04/01/2004 3:54:01 AM PST by AlbertWang
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To: AlbertWang
A Muslim CANNOT take the side of a non-Muslim against other Muslims, and remain a Muslim in good standing

A Muslim cannot speak out against fellow Muslims, for the benefit of infidels (He may, however, advise Muslims that certain words or actions are not beneficial to the long-term welfare of Muslims)

A Muslim may not fight other Muslims to defend an infidel and remain a Muslim in good standing

9 posted on 04/01/2004 4:01:30 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: ijcr
"muslims have a unique way of life."

lets give them a unique way of death!!!!!!!
10 posted on 04/01/2004 4:01:38 AM PST by 537cant be wrong (the lib turneraitor)
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To: ijcr

Sounds like Omar's afraid someone is going to turn him in. In other words, the only "rogue Muslims" there are are those who co-operate with the police. Who wants immigrants like that? This also makes one wonder why anyone would let Muslims into the government or the military if they can't turn in or fight other Muslims.
11 posted on 04/01/2004 4:07:54 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: ijcr
Like this ?

Democrats cannot co-operate with local authorities against other members of the faith, the outspoken leader of an liberal group has said.

Al Franken: Democrats have a unique way of life Al Franken was reacting to a call from the Democrats Council of Britain for the community to play its part in the fight against terrorism, following the anti-terrorism raids earlier this week in which eight men were arrested.

The mainstream Council is trying to limit "rogue" liberal preachers, blaming them for brainwashing young men and promoting holy war against the West

But Al Franken told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Democrats have a unique way of life. Co-operating with the authorities against any other Democrats, that is an act of apostasy in Islam.

"Having said that, Democrats in Britain have the right to defend themselves, but without the use of violence. They can gather together, speak with the imams.

"The imams themselves should lecture the Democrats community, not the Democrats Council of Britain who are all of them a bunch of seculars."

Al Franken complained that the media was "demonising" the Democrats community in Britain, and that a "cycle of violence" has been created by both terrorists and the British and American response.

But Tom Dashole, a member of Labour's governing National Executive Committee said that the Democrats Council of Britain's actions had been "very appropriate, very responsible".

Mr Dashole said: "We cannot live in a fantasy world. Half-a-tonne of ammonium nitrate was found. I think that has been a big wake-up call, and I think that has been the catalyst for the action of the Democrats Council.

"Those involved in terrorism are not following the Democrats and Iliberal way. Anybody involved in crime, it is the duty of all citizens to help the police and report them."

12 posted on 04/01/2004 4:13:15 AM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a keynote speaker at a Wellstone Memorial.)
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To: MEG33
check out thier response here American Muslim Group Condemns 'Mutilations,' Not Murders
13 posted on 04/01/2004 4:16:55 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
How terribly civilized their religion is/sarcasm.
14 posted on 04/01/2004 4:21:04 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: All
Recently Congressman Peter T. King's (R-NY) upset the poor dears ("American" Muslims) according to news reports, "'no (American) Muslims are cooperating' with law enforcement officials to combat terrorism. He further added: 'I would say, you could say that 80-85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists.'"

Among the loudest screamers was American Muslim Voice, http://www.amuslimvoice.org/

Their web site's press release has this, "AMV condemns killings in Iraq, Pakistan" Think it has anything to do with the mutilations? Think again. I has to do with the killings of Muslims. They did however "call for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators" of the Madrid bombings.

Their site is the usual "anti-war," "we are victims," solidarity with the victims of America worldwide, and "we hate Bush and Ashcroft" stuff.

A recent thread "Terrorists ready for holy war in 40 American states" reports that radical Muslims are being "infiltrated into the US in preparation for 'an American jihad'." Are they hiding in the Jewish community? Some hillbilly neighborhood in Detroit? Where could they have gone?

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1075753/posts

Perhaps "American" Muslims fear for their lives? Well, so do we. For sure, after the next attack here -- to the internment camps for the duration! IMO.

15 posted on 04/01/2004 4:45:37 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: rrrod
Muslims cannot co-operate with local authorities against other members of the faith

And that's allyou need to know.

Profile ALL muslims, ALL the time. This is not a game, our lives are at risk here.

16 posted on 04/01/2004 4:52:11 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: MEG33
Frankly, meg33, I don't think Sheik Omar Bakri even pretends to be "moderate". He is pretty much on record as Al Qaeda just without the violence.

Personally I belive that is just hogwash as well though.
17 posted on 04/01/2004 5:00:20 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: MEG33
"Sheikh Omar reinforces the distrust we have in "moderate Islam"

NO. He doesn't and shouldn't. In fact, he reinforces radical muslims. He refers to moderates with disdain.

"Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad was reacting to a call from the Muslim Council of Britain for the community to play its part in the fight against terrorism,..."

The Muslim Council of Britain are taking a moderate stand and speaking out Against terrorism.
18 posted on 04/01/2004 5:00:35 AM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: Joe Boucher
I went and checked a Noregian-Pakistani messageboard yesterday. Suffice to say there was much cheering and celebration of the Fallujah atrocities.
19 posted on 04/01/2004 5:03:20 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: nuconvert
I was reading on an Islamic board that Islam is Islam,there are no extremists,moderates or fundamentalists.hmmm
20 posted on 04/01/2004 5:03:33 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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