Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

35,000 year old "modern human" remains Discovered!
Yahoo News ^ | Sat Mar 6,11:27 AM ET | By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 03/10/2004 6:10:11 AM PST by vannrox

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 141-160161-180181-200201-220 last
To: DannyTN
You can't refute that ICR is right that there is too much unaccounted for C-14 in those fossils.

Perhaps this will refresh your memory:

FIGURE 4. Movement of water producing the seepage
within the Purslane sandstones.
Movement of water producing the seepage

201 posted on 03/12/2004 8:23:05 PM PST by VadeRetro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 196 | View Replies]

To: vessel
how about designing (I know that is cheating, but evolution would require it) a new species from the many breeds of dog.

I've posted this before, something to think about:

Imagine an island with plenty of pasture, water, etc., but no animals. Introduce 100 male horses and 100 female donkeys. Come back in 100 years. There will be no equids.:

Now imagine an island with plenty of game, water, etc. Introduce 100 male great Danes and 100 female chihuahuas. Come back in 100 years. There will be no canids.

Conclusion. Great Danes and chihuahuas are different species.

202 posted on 03/12/2004 10:35:08 PM PST by Virginia-American
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 146 | View Replies]

To: vessel
> (Reptile to mammal) Pretty pictures. A lot like embryonic recapitulation don't you think?

Indeed it is. The earbones shift from the jaw to the ear during mammal gestation. It was predicted that fossils would be found showing the same movement. They have been.

And just how did the human "evolve" with two missing chromosomes?

See Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes

203 posted on 03/12/2004 10:58:53 PM PST by Virginia-American
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: Virginia-American
>Now imagine an island with plenty of game, water, etc. Introduce 100 male great Danes and 100 female chihuahuas. Come back in 100 years. There will be no canids.

>Conclusion. Great Danes and chihuahuas are different species.

And by such reason if there were female great danes and male chihuahuas which produced viable offspring on another island, then your conclusion would be proved false.
204 posted on 03/13/2004 7:58:21 AM PST by vessel (How long has your candle been burning? Only you and the light know for sure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 202 | View Replies]

To: Virginia-American
> See Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes

Twice? The phenotypical effect of such drastic genotypical even karyotypical revolution seems much more benign than anyone would dare suggest without bias.
205 posted on 03/13/2004 8:07:41 AM PST by vessel (How long has your candle been burning? Only you and the light know for sure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 203 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
> Perhaps this will refresh your memory: Yes, of course now I remember, a picture is worth a thousand words. Especially if the words don't make sense. Ecsher stairscases work like that. It seems like little steps repeated billions of times would get you somewhere doesn't it? But one good mutation and two bad doesn't really help. And the odds aren't that good. M.C. Escher - Ascending and Descending
206 posted on 03/13/2004 8:30:47 AM PST by vessel (How long has your candle been burning? Only you and the light know for sure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 201 | View Replies]

To: PBRSTREETGANG
Actually it was a cellphone.

Also an object that appears to be the first SUV was unearthed...

207 posted on 03/13/2004 8:39:35 AM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: traumer
> Also an object that appears to be the first SUV was unearthed...

Did mother earth swallow a soccer mom with her faithful mate and offspring?

This tragedy could have been avoided or at least minimized if the woman had her male drive her rickshaw to S.F. to find a suitable mate. She just wasn't keeping up with the evolutionary trends, and well... the more modern women are still alive and adopting childrn, and she is earth fodder.
208 posted on 03/13/2004 9:20:06 AM PST by vessel (How long has your candle been burning? Only you and the light know for sure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 207 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
If groundwater contamination of fossils is the answer though, then you really have to question how many other elements that are used as either parent or daughter elements have leached into and out of fossils? If c14 can leach in, then C12 can too. If C14 can leach in then C14 can leach out also. Are any of the Radiometric dating methods immune to such contamination?
209 posted on 03/13/2004 11:34:54 AM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 201 | View Replies]

To: DannyTN
If groundwater contamination of fossils is the answer though, then you really have to question how many other elements that are used as either parent or daughter elements have leached into and out of fossils? If c14 can leach in, then C12 can too.

Carbon is extremely mobile and C14 and C12 have identical chemistry. The ratio of 14 to 12 just depends on how long the carbon took to get where you found it. It was "modern" going in from the atmosphere, but when was that?

At any rate, there's apparently a fairly even noise floor of .24 or so percent of modern carbon in some old rocks. Evidently, the contamination takes time to get into poorly permeable coals. Above that noise floor, performance is unaffected. So it looks like you can date reliably back to about 50 or 60K and then you're down in the noise no matter how good your instrument is. (That's assuming the same noise floor seen in the coals is present in other materials, but I don't have any actual idea.)

Other elements are less mobile than carbon. There are known problems with K-Ar dating (excess argon, for instance), but there are known work-arounds, such as Ar-Ar. A number of techniques allow Isochron Dating. The point is that there's an array of dating techniques for any suspected age range. Most often they will return the same results for a given sample. (There's no reason why that should be so if creationist criticisms on radiometric techniques are correct, and yet that is so.)

210 posted on 03/13/2004 12:25:46 PM PST by VadeRetro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 209 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
"Carbon is extremely mobile and C14 and C12 have identical chemistry. "

So they are both mobile. And as you pointed out the calibrations of carbon with tree rings have indicated variations of C14 levels in the atmosphere over time.

"There are known problems with K-Ar dating (excess argon, for instance), but there are known work-arounds, such as Ar-Ar. A number of techniques allow Isochron Dating."

Read here for problems with Ar-Ar and Isochron dating methods.

How accurate are radioactive dating methods

Most often they will return the same results for a given sample.

The fact is that we don't know how often the dating methods disagree. To many dating results are ruled out and never published because they disagree with the prevailing world view. In fact the article above talks about how bias is built into the system. The labs even ask for an expected age, before they run the tests. You said there were 40 something methods. Yeah, I bet they do find two or three that will coincide with practically every specimen. But unless they published all results even the ones believed to be errant, there is no way to know how prevalent lack of correlation is among the dating methods.

211 posted on 03/13/2004 1:34:09 PM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 210 | View Replies]

To: vessel
[chihuahuas and great Danes]

And by such reason if there were female great danes and male chihuahuas which produced viable offspring on another island, then your conclusion would be proved false.

It would be an interesting situation, all the hybrids having to have one breed for the father and the other for the mother. Never heaard of such a thing in nature.

I don't *know* for a fact that they couldn't mate, but it gives me the willies to think about it (either way; size does matter!).

The point was that, assuming for the sake of argument it's impossible because of the great difference in size rather than gross genetic incompatability, ( which I *think* it is), it's an example of recent genetic isolation.

Truly, if we put males and females of both breeds on the island, I would expect them both to breed true, no mutts.

Get me a grant and an island, maybe we can make science history...

212 posted on 03/13/2004 11:56:37 PM PST by Virginia-American
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 204 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro; DannyTN
Frank C. Vasek, a botany professor at the Riverside campus of the University of California, who found the bush, has determined that the patch of shrubbery originally began as a single plant sprouting from one seed. As the plant grew outward the interior portions died out, thus leaving a huge ring with each clump becoming a clone of the first growth. I guess Noah's flood didn't bother this desert shrub any! Did I say "desert shrub?" What is a desert doing in the supposedly tropical antediluvian world?

From here.

This is from peer reviewed writings?

Cordially

213 posted on 03/15/2004 8:53:54 AM PST by Diamond
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 199 | View Replies]

To: Diamond
Vasek is a real biologist, although one article describes him as now retired. This is the original paper:

Vasek, Frank C.
1980 Creosote Bush: Long-lived Clones in the Mojave Desert. American Journal of Botany 67(2):246-255.

214 posted on 03/15/2004 9:05:26 AM PST by VadeRetro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 213 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
Thank you. It looks like I have some very boring reading from the American Journal of Botany to do at the local library.

Cordially,

215 posted on 03/15/2004 10:14:58 AM PST by Diamond
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies]

Not a ping, just a GGG update.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

216 posted on 04/04/2005 10:54:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

Just updating the GGG information, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
-- Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

217 posted on 08/27/2006 7:57:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

2008 bump.


218 posted on 05/21/2008 10:35:17 AM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 217 | View Replies]

To: blam

· join list or digest · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post a topic ·

 
Gods
Graves
Glyphs
Just updating the GGG info, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
GGG managers are Blam, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach
 

· Google · Archaeologica · ArchaeoBlog · Archaeology magazine · Biblical Archaeology Society ·
· Mirabilis · Texas AM Anthropology News · Yahoo Anthro & Archaeo ·
· History or Science & Nature Podcasts · Excerpt, or Link only? · cgk's list of ping lists ·


219 posted on 05/22/2008 12:08:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 218 | View Replies]

To: Don Joe

“Respect for the dead springs from respect for the living; it springs from love for those who lived. It doesn’t take “religion” for someone to care about someone else. All it takes is humanity. Heck, it doesn’t even take humanity.”

Have you read Dinesh D’Souza’s latest book, “Life after Death?” You might find it interesting.


220 posted on 07/31/2010 10:57:01 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 141-160161-180181-200201-220 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson