Bush Backs Off Fingerprinting Mexicans

My Way news via Drudgereport.com ^ | 3-7-04 | Jennifer Loven

[ZULU]

WHY in the NAME OF GOD, is Bush pandering to Fox, when the polls are SOOOO close, and its OBVIOUS the majority of Americans are outraged by this??

WAKE UP GEORGE!!!

[azhenfud]

"Good post, but the word immigration has to have specifics.
Immigrants to this country come from over 100 countries. Euros, Americas, and others, I ask how many are Mexicans."

Mexicans account for an est. 69% of those numbers.

[azhenfud]

http://www.charleston.net/stories/020103/wor_01immig.shtml

[grania]

That's what the taxpayer subsidy of cheap labor is costing. It doesn't even take into account the downward impact it has on the wages and quality of life of working US citizens.

I'm opposed to corporate welfare. And, that's what all of these initiatives are.

[FITZ]

You think the headline is misleading? They're using this one in the Mexican newspapers:


http://www.diario.com.mx/portada/news_world/nota.asp?notaid=3bc3f0c9ec340891db1d6fe39cfb74e4

El Diario de Mexico

[FITZ]

What I'm saying it is applies to the laser imprinted VISA that have been legally obtained

Then it would seem the only way to know that the carrier of the card is the real owner of the card is to check the fingerprints against the card. It will sure help the forgerers and card theft business and card sharers that there will be no checks.

[FITZ]

The vast majority of the thousands of illegals using us as their gateway do not pass through the official Ports of Entry.

I think here most might come through the official ports of entry but many come through other places just as easily. Stolen and fake green cards has been a very common problem --- there's no way to tell if the carrier of the card is the real owner of the card --- it looked like Bush was about to do something about that but apparently Fox had reasons to talk him out of that.

[FITZ]

Any chance you have an explanation for why a country with a $900 billion GDP has 40% of its population living in starvation? Or why us gringos are expected to bail them out?

Even the Mexicans know the answer to that --- it's just that some are getting so wealthy from corruption (Fox for example) that they have no desire to fix it --- far better to export the starving than fix a system that benefits a few so drastically well. Our leaders seem very reluctant to stand up to these guys and tell them to get their problems (corruption) fixed.

La corrupción somos todos

From El Diario -- (in Spanish --- which I trust you're all learning)

[nonliberal]

Kerry has a legitimate issue about national security but he is going about attacking Bush in the wrong manner. If Kerry were to go after La Reconquista, he would KILL Bush in the election.

Oops, I said KILL. I would like to now take this opportunity to welcome our friends at Echelon who are reading this....

[nonliberal]

Um, no. If they are coming into our country they should be fingerprinted. Here in Iowa there is a rising number of arrests, shootings, drug peddling, and murders being perpetrated by guys named Juan, Carlos, Jose and Pablo. Mexicans are no threat? Which papers are you reading?

[nonliberal]

It is called "outreach." The Pubbies are pandering to the hispanic voting bloc.

[Pa' fuera]

Good point. Any blanket exemption would render all cards meaningless. And face it, you and I can duplicate just about any card on the computers in front of us.

the market value of the BCCs (or Laser Visas) must have shot up with the Fox/Bush announcement. Now these documents can be stolen and doctored (or created via computer) and sold to illegals of any nationality without fear that the information they contain will be verified at the port of entry.

6,000 of these documents (issued in Tijuana) were stolen from DHL (the courier company that the State Department uses to deliver them) a few years back. They are often stolen from individuals in Tijuana, and I would expect more of this kind of activity now.

Meanwhile, the consulate in Tijuana continues to churn these cards out at the rate of 750 per day. Bush may need the congress to pass his guest worker program, but he can (and is) fill up the country with illegals without Congress' help.

[ClintonBeGone]

The simple issue is that this bogus thread tried to make the claim that Mexican nationals were going to be allowed to enter the country without being fingerprinted or photographed, and that lie has been exposed for the agenda it is.

Another I hate Bush & Mexico thread. Thanks for exposing their agenda.

[kellynla]

"PS: Don't forget who feeds us." I don't think anyone has a problem with legal migrant workers and legal immigrants. Quite to the contrary, like the majority of Americans, we all are either immigrants or decedents of immigrants. The issue is illegal immigration and the cost of illegal immigration. All you have to do is ask any legal immigrant who has played by the rules, followed the immigration procedure and waited years to become a citizen what their opinion of illegal immigration is to realize how duplicitous this whole false outrage is that people on this forum try to spread. Illegals pull down the wages, push up the costs of education, welfare, food stamps, law enforcement, prisons and medical care. That's a very high price to pay especially when the dividend for enforcement of the immigration laws would be so much higher! We just cannot afford to be the dumping ground for Vicente Fox any longer. Mexico is a rich country. And with the elimination of the government corruption in Mexico, it can be a vibrant and prosperous country for ALL of it's citizens and the rest of the world.

[CWOJackson]

No problem...they critters are sure getting desparate.

[TexasRepublic]

What a crock....

[judgeandjury]

PS: Don't forget who feeds us

I haven't forgot. Millions of American farmers feed us. As far as who picks the fruits and vegetables, that is unskilled manual labor that we could get foreigners from any of many different countries to come here and do - Chinese, Russians, Pakistanis, Indians, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Africans from countries throughout Africa, etc. Countless foreigners would love the opportunity to improve their situation over how they are currently living in their home countries by coming to the U.S. to pick fruits and vegetables.

[Iberian]

Go ahead, bring the Pakistanis,Indians,Russians and so on. They will use the job to get here and become engineers with Microsoft in no time.
You DONT have a clue. Coming here to get a starting job is one thing, but getting some one who will not just come here and work the way up the ladder is not realistic. India is getting the outsource traffic (getting our jobs).
I'll bottom line it for you because you don't get it.
I came here from a poor family and became an engineer, My kids are now grown and have great jobs(we are all citizens).

No one comes here to get a field job and expects to stay at the job.
Bring anyone other than Mexicans and within a year they will take jobs from Americans.
Russians (flooring), Greeks (painting) Cambodians and Vietnamese, (Construction and engineering)
Africans (never mind)
Indians, (network engineering, can you spell Unix)
Pakistanis (who knows, maybe just try to kill us)
Don't forget to bring Yemenis and Chet zens they are good at being Muslims.
Hell bring them on and Kerry will find a job.

A true right Republican can see the difference. I call it Separation. Separate the garbage from the real contributing players.

Alternative. Is a broken down infrastructure and soon afterwords, more American jobs filled with Indians, Russians and on and on......

[judgeandjury]

Most Mexican nationals living in the U.S. do unskilled manual labor. This kind of work can and would be done by any of hundreds of millions of people currently living in miserable conditions in their home countries. Many of these foreigners would give anything to be able to come to the U.S. to work, even at menial jobs. And not all foreign workers have dreams of moving up to become engineers or computer programmers. Many people are just happy to have enough food to eat and a clean, safe place to sleep. To them, making $40-$60 a day would be like hitting the lottery jackpot. Many people in China and Southeast Asia spend all day working in the fields and rice paddies, so they're already used to doing this type of manual labor. Maybe someday we'll see millions of Asian workers come to the U.S. and compete with Mexican illegal aliens for jobs picking our fruits and vegetables.