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Bush Backs Off Fingerprinting Mexicans
My Way news via Drudgereport.com ^ | 3-7-04 | Jennifer Loven

Posted on 03/07/2004 7:23:24 PM PST by nonliberal

Bush Backs Off Fingerprinting Mexicans
Mar 7, 2:18 AM (ET)

By JENNIFER LOVEN

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - President Bush gave Mexican President Vicente Fox a gift to take home on Saturday: his pledge to exempt certain frequent Mexican visitors from onerous new security checks at the U.S. border.

The visit by Fox to Bush's Central Texas ranch, held a year and a half after it was originally scheduled, was designed to lay past disputes to rest. But with Bush eager to boost his standing in the U.S. Hispanic community, the nation's fastest-growing voting bloc, American politics were never far from the agenda.

Bush used the leaders' joint appearance before Mexican and American reporters to make clear how he sees the November election, in which he almost certainly will face Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. "The question is who brings forth the best pro-growth policies ... who (is) best to lead this country in the war on terror," Bush said.

Over intimate meals, relaxed discussions and an early-morning drive through wintertime-lush canyons to some of Bush's favorite spots on his 1,600-acre property, Bush and Fox aimed to look forward, not back.

The warm ties that characterized the two leaders' relationship three years ago had soured after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Bush shelved work on a migration accord coveted by Mexico; Fox abruptly backed out of a planned visit to Bush's ranch in August 2002 over a death-penalty dispute and refused to back Bush at the United Nations on an Iraq war.

On Saturday, side-by-side in casual clothes and the warm March sun, horses and cows grazing placidly in a meadow behind them, the two men sought to project an air of cooperation on immigration, trade, Haiti and anti-terrorism measures. Neither publicly mentioned other divisive matters - such as the water Mexico owes the United States or a continued disagreement over Mexicans on death row in the United States - that still divide the North American neighbors.

"Mexico and the United States are more than neighbors," Bush said Saturday, sprinkling Spanish throughout his remarks. "We are partners in building a safer, more democratic and more prosperous hemisphere."

Still, there was very little of the effusive mutual admiration that usually features prominently in Bush's appearances with world leaders.

Though immigration issues were foremost on Fox's mind, he left Texas with some new assurances but no ironclad agreements.

Under the US-VISIT program, already in use at many airports and seaports, visitors from certain countries must be fingerprinted and photographed before entering the United States. When the system is expanded later this year to the busiest land entry points as well, it would ensnare the many Mexicans who regularly travel back and forth with so-called border-crossing cards.

Fox said the fingerprinting and photograph requirement now won't apply for border-crossing card holders, celebrating "the news that was confirmed today with regard to visitors to the U.S. from Mexico."

Fox also applauded work by the two leaders to advance a proposal Bush offered in January to give temporary visas to illegal immigrants, most from Mexico, already working in the United States.

But Bush was pessimistic about the prospects for congressional passage of his temporary worker proposal - saying "there's no telling what's going to happen in an election year." Also, he said little about the border-crossing issue while his aides signaled it is far from settled.

Bush told Fox in their Saturday morning meeting that he is committed to the exemption, though details still need to be worked out, White House spokesman Sean McCormack said. However, McCormack wouldn't confirm that the remaining issues were merely technical, saying the matter is extraordinarily complex, and could not offer a timetable for a final agreement.

On Friday, the White House said it was strongly considering a proposal under which the multi-use visas that those frequent Mexican travelers have could be used in place of the US-VISIT checks at the border checks. The documents already require background checks, fingerprinting and photographs.

"We will work to ensure a system of safe and orderly migration," Bush said. "We're making progress."

"President Bush has invited Vicente Fox back to the ranch in Crawford. An immigration proposal long-awaited by Latinos has been laid on the table. It must be an election year," said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat who has been talked about as a possible Kerry running mate.

Bush defended his handling of the economy against Kerry's attacks and a new report that showed U.S. payrolls increased by only 21,000 jobs last month, about 100,000 fewer than expected. Without mentioning Kerry by name, Bush implied the Massachusetts senator would raise taxes and derail the economic improvements Bush has overseen.

"Raising taxes will make it harder for people to find work," the president told reporters.

Kerry, who said while campaigning only a couple hundred miles away in Houston on Saturday that Bush has left the nation in economic ruin, has called for repealing the portions of Bush's tax cut that went to wealthy taxpayers. Bush characterizes that as a tax increase.

"George Bush is a walking contradiction and a walking barrel of broken promises," Kerry said.

The president also didn't shrink from his campaign's use of images from the Sept. 11 attacks in his first round of campaign ads. Some victims' families have said the pictures' use for political gain is offensive.

"How this administration handled that day as well as the war on terror is worthy of discussion," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; immigration; vicentefox
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To: nonliberal
WHY in the NAME OF GOD, is Bush pandering to Fox, when the polls are SOOOO close, and its OBVIOUS the majority of Americans are outraged by this??

WAKE UP GEORGE!!!
61 posted on 03/08/2004 3:51:27 AM PST by ZULU (God Bless Senator Joe McCarthy!!!)
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To: Iberian; kellynla
"Good post, but the word immigration has to have specifics.
Immigrants to this country come from over 100 countries. Euros, Americas, and others, I ask how many are Mexicans.
"

Mexicans account for an est. 69% of those numbers.

62 posted on 03/08/2004 3:54:40 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Iberian
http://www.charleston.net/stories/020103/wor_01immig.shtml
63 posted on 03/08/2004 4:00:27 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: kellynla
That's what the taxpayer subsidy of cheap labor is costing. It doesn't even take into account the downward impact it has on the wages and quality of life of working US citizens.

I'm opposed to corporate welfare. And, that's what all of these initiatives are.

64 posted on 03/08/2004 4:00:54 AM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: CWOJackson
You think the headline is misleading? They're using this one in the Mexican newspapers:


http://www.diario.com.mx/portada/news_world/nota.asp?notaid=3bc3f0c9ec340891db1d6fe39cfb74e4

El Diario de Mexico
65 posted on 03/08/2004 5:38:47 AM PST by FITZ
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To: CWOJackson
What I'm saying it is applies to the laser imprinted VISA that have been legally obtained

Then it would seem the only way to know that the carrier of the card is the real owner of the card is to check the fingerprints against the card. It will sure help the forgerers and card theft business and card sharers that there will be no checks.

66 posted on 03/08/2004 5:43:24 AM PST by FITZ
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The vast majority of the thousands of illegals using us as their gateway do not pass through the official Ports of Entry.

I think here most might come through the official ports of entry but many come through other places just as easily. Stolen and fake green cards has been a very common problem --- there's no way to tell if the carrier of the card is the real owner of the card --- it looked like Bush was about to do something about that but apparently Fox had reasons to talk him out of that.

67 posted on 03/08/2004 5:47:37 AM PST by FITZ
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Any chance you have an explanation for why a country with a $900 billion GDP has 40% of its population living in starvation? Or why us gringos are expected to bail them out?

Even the Mexicans know the answer to that --- it's just that some are getting so wealthy from corruption (Fox for example) that they have no desire to fix it --- far better to export the starving than fix a system that benefits a few so drastically well. Our leaders seem very reluctant to stand up to these guys and tell them to get their problems (corruption) fixed.

La corrupción somos todos

From El Diario -- (in Spanish --- which I trust you're all learning)

68 posted on 03/08/2004 5:57:10 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Digger; All
Kerry has a legitimate issue about national security but he is going about attacking Bush in the wrong manner. If Kerry were to go after La Reconquista, he would KILL Bush in the election.

Oops, I said KILL. I would like to now take this opportunity to welcome our friends at Echelon who are reading this....

69 posted on 03/08/2004 7:08:56 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Iberian
Um, no. If they are coming into our country they should be fingerprinted. Here in Iowa there is a rising number of arrests, shootings, drug peddling, and murders being perpetrated by guys named Juan, Carlos, Jose and Pablo. Mexicans are no threat? Which papers are you reading?
70 posted on 03/08/2004 7:17:46 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: ZULU
It is called "outreach." The Pubbies are pandering to the hispanic voting bloc.
71 posted on 03/08/2004 7:20:41 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Good point. Any blanket exemption would render all cards meaningless. And face it, you and I can duplicate just about any card on the computers in front of us.

the market value of the BCCs (or Laser Visas) must have shot up with the Fox/Bush announcement. Now these documents can be stolen and doctored (or created via computer) and sold to illegals of any nationality without fear that the information they contain will be verified at the port of entry.

6,000 of these documents (issued in Tijuana) were stolen from DHL (the courier company that the State Department uses to deliver them) a few years back. They are often stolen from individuals in Tijuana, and I would expect more of this kind of activity now.

Meanwhile, the consulate in Tijuana continues to churn these cards out at the rate of 750 per day. Bush may need the congress to pass his guest worker program, but he can (and is) fill up the country with illegals without Congress' help.

72 posted on 03/08/2004 8:09:38 AM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: CWOJackson
The simple issue is that this bogus thread tried to make the claim that Mexican nationals were going to be allowed to enter the country without being fingerprinted or photographed, and that lie has been exposed for the agenda it is.

Another I hate Bush & Mexico thread. Thanks for exposing their agenda.

73 posted on 03/08/2004 9:00:55 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: Iberian
"PS: Don't forget who feeds us." I don't think anyone has a problem with legal migrant workers and legal immigrants. Quite to the contrary, like the majority of Americans, we all are either immigrants or decedents of immigrants. The issue is illegal immigration and the cost of illegal immigration. All you have to do is ask any legal immigrant who has played by the rules, followed the immigration procedure and waited years to become a citizen what their opinion of illegal immigration is to realize how duplicitous this whole false outrage is that people on this forum try to spread. Illegals pull down the wages, push up the costs of education, welfare, food stamps, law enforcement, prisons and medical care. That's a very high price to pay especially when the dividend for enforcement of the immigration laws would be so much higher! We just cannot afford to be the dumping ground for Vicente Fox any longer. Mexico is a rich country. And with the elimination of the government corruption in Mexico, it can be a vibrant and prosperous country for ALL of it's citizens and the rest of the world.
74 posted on 03/08/2004 11:22:05 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: ClintonBeGone
No problem...they critters are sure getting desparate.
75 posted on 03/08/2004 11:38:25 AM PST by CWOJackson (What are you complaining about, she called me compassionate...)
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To: nonliberal
What a crock....
76 posted on 03/08/2004 12:05:12 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!)
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To: Iberian
PS: Don't forget who feeds us

I haven't forgot. Millions of American farmers feed us. As far as who picks the fruits and vegetables, that is unskilled manual labor that we could get foreigners from any of many different countries to come here and do - Chinese, Russians, Pakistanis, Indians, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Africans from countries throughout Africa, etc. Countless foreigners would love the opportunity to improve their situation over how they are currently living in their home countries by coming to the U.S. to pick fruits and vegetables.

77 posted on 03/08/2004 12:33:44 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: judgeandjury
Go ahead, bring the Pakistanis,Indians,Russians and so on. They will use the job to get here and become engineers with Microsoft in no time.
You DONT have a clue. Coming here to get a starting job is one thing, but getting some one who will not just come here and work the way up the ladder is not realistic. India is getting the outsource traffic (getting our jobs).
I'll bottom line it for you because you don't get it.
I came here from a poor family and became an engineer, My kids are now grown and have great jobs(we are all citizens).

No one comes here to get a field job and expects to stay at the job.
Bring anyone other than Mexicans and within a year they will take jobs from Americans.
Russians (flooring), Greeks (painting) Cambodians and Vietnamese, (Construction and engineering)
Africans (never mind)
Indians, (network engineering, can you spell Unix)
Pakistanis (who knows, maybe just try to kill us)
Don't forget to bring Yemenis and Chet zens they are good at being Muslims.
Hell bring them on and Kerry will find a job.

A true right Republican can see the difference. I call it Separation. Separate the garbage from the real contributing players.

Alternative. Is a broken down infrastructure and soon afterwords, more American jobs filled with Indians, Russians and on and on......
78 posted on 03/08/2004 3:20:36 PM PST by Iberian
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To: Iberian
Most Mexican nationals living in the U.S. do unskilled manual labor. This kind of work can and would be done by any of hundreds of millions of people currently living in miserable conditions in their home countries. Many of these foreigners would give anything to be able to come to the U.S. to work, even at menial jobs. And not all foreign workers have dreams of moving up to become engineers or computer programmers. Many people are just happy to have enough food to eat and a clean, safe place to sleep. To them, making $40-$60 a day would be like hitting the lottery jackpot. Many people in China and Southeast Asia spend all day working in the fields and rice paddies, so they're already used to doing this type of manual labor. Maybe someday we'll see millions of Asian workers come to the U.S. and compete with Mexican illegal aliens for jobs picking our fruits and vegetables.
79 posted on 03/09/2004 1:08:40 AM PST by judgeandjury
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