Imports from Norinco banned

Newsmax ^ | May 2003 | Charles R. Smith

[Levy78]

For those of you that are following the current action on the Assault Weapons Ban being positioned to sunset, I thought it would be interesting to analyze that fact that Bush imposed (May of 2003) a ban on all products from the Chinese manufacturer Norinco. As most gun collectors know, Norinco manufactures relatively high quality Ak-47 rifles that were once imported into the United States prior to the ban in 1994. (yes, Norinco did produce post ban rifles and they may have been imported after the ban was inacted). At any rate, it appears that even when the ban sunsets, new Norinco AK's will not be made available in the USA, at least until the ban on Norinco is expired. However, if Norinco has been/is supplying terrorists or enemies of the USA with weapons, then they should be banned and it's no sweat off of my back... Thoughts?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/27/133053.shtml

[Paul C. Jesup]

However, if Norinco has been/is supplying terrorists or enemies of the USA with weapons, then they should be banned and it's no sweat off of my back... Thoughts?

Did it ever occur to you that the terrorists will just buy them in Mexico and carry them into the WIDE OPEN BORDERS into the U.S.

You just want to prevent native born citizens from have quality protection.

[Gordian Blade]

One Chinese product banned, only 1,000,000 to go. It's a start.

[Levy78]

No.... my point isn't that the firearms should be banned, I am very pro gun, my point is that if Norinco is directly supplying our enemies with their firearms, why should we send our money to Norinco?

[dasboot]

However, if Norinco has been/is supplying terrorists or enemies of the USA with weapons, then they should be banned and it's no sweat off of my back... Thoughts?

That's the same line of reasoning used to sue US gun manufacturers for bad things done with their products. The Chinese have their own problems with Wahhabs. I don't think they would intentionally shoot their own feet.

[Levy78]

US gun manufactuers are not directly supplying firearms to people with ill intentions, Norinco is. It's totally different.

[dasboot]

Where's that information from?

[Levy78]

It has long been known, since the 1980's, that Norinco ships arms to South American and ME terrorists. Not to mention, they supply the Chinese army, which says enough. I can post many links to official testimony and articles of Norinco being outted as a supplier of arms to shady figures.

[Gordian Blade]

I understand. I'm pro-gun myself and own several, although no Norinco's. I just think we would have been better off with minimal trade with China, not the flood we are now experiencing. If I have to pay more for batteries and other cheap products, to keep China less of an economic powerhouse until they change their repressive government, then so be it. But I'm afraid the horse is out of the barn.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Didn't G HW Bush ban the import of these back when he was x41?

Does this mean I can't dig up my triangle marked rifle with 66 in it and pop off a few rounds?

Does this mean Di Fineswine and Charlie are happy campers now? I would mention Ted but he is probably so drunk he does not know which end is up.

[Levy78]

I'm afraid you're right.

[dasboot]

I love my two Norincos. I don't think I'm more than slightly shady. However, I can't remember ever seeing a photo of news clip of a ME bad guy or socialist rebel army using M16's. I wouldn't mind examining some of your collected articles and testimony...just to get a grasp of the situation.

[Levy78]

Hey, I love Norinco's too! But, I have problems with the company. Sure, no problem, lemme dig some of those links out...

[Armedanddangerous]

Norinco manufactured some very nice quality 1911's in the 1980s. They were very well thought of by people who built custom race guns.

[rbmillerjr]

Does this ban include the 5.56 ammo too?

I used to buy it, because of the cheap price - but then I learned that the funds help arm the Chi Com Army and our boys and eventually my son may have to fight then one day.

I'll never sellout my country to the PLA.

[King Prout]

my 1911 is a "NorinColt" and it is an excellent machine.

[dasboot]

I remember reading an article here that mentioned how some of our troops in the ME felt out-gunned by the AK's, and were wishing for something better than our M's.

I got an idea: let's contract with Norinco to supply US forces, and use our buying power to shape their marketing policy.

[Levy78]

Here are a few quick links:

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1996/hrpc_trrprr.htm

"The PRC has served not only as the "sponsor of the sponsors" of terrorism in this fashion, but also as a direct instigator of terrorism in the United States. In May 1996, a federal sting operation caught representatives of firms owned by the Communist Chinese military (Poly Group and NORINCO) trying to smuggle AK-47s, machine guns with silencers, grenades, and even shoulder-held surface-to-air missiles into the U.S. "

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa89406.000/hfa89406_0.htm

"Just in this year, we have imposed E.O. 12938 sanctions five times, including on the Chinese entity, North China Industries Corporation (NORINCO), and the Iranian entity, Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group. This Administration views sanctions as a useful tool for furthering our nonproliferation objectives and is determined to enforce existing sanctions laws to the fullest extent."

http://www.state.gov/t/us/rm/21247.htm

"Last month on May 9, the United States imposed nonproliferation penalties pursuant to E.O. 12938 on the Chinese entity, North China Industries Corporation (NORINCO), and the Iranian entity, Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group. Penalties were imposed because the United States Government determined that these entities contributed materially to the efforts of Iran to use, acquire, design, develop, produce or stockpile missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction. "

[Levy78]

I wasn't aware that Norinco made 5.56 ammo was available in the USA, if it is/was, then I guess it's banned. My understanding is that ALL Norinco products are banned, and they make a great deal of various items.

[dasboot]

Just kidding. Bring out the M14's.

Might the above-mentioned article be another example of the deficiency of spray-firing lots of lightweight 22cal stuff, as opposed to aiming a ponderous Nato round?

I remember this was debated heavily 20 or 30 years ago, with the fire-hosers winning the theoretical tactics battle. I'm inclined to think the ME bad guys are more like out military shooters of 60 years ago. I see them in the vidio clips standing fast in the face of sprayfire aiming their AK's carefully. Chesty (I think) was quoted as being at his ease in the face of enemy full-auto fire cuz he knew they wouldn't hit him.