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Kerry Assails Bush on Haiti, Security and Gay Marriage Ban
The New York Times ^ | February 24, 2004 | KIRK SEMPLE

Posted on 02/24/2004 8:59:45 PM PST by demlosers

Senator John Kerry blamed the Bush administration today for helping foster the political instability in Haiti that has given rise to the armed insurgency that now controls nearly half of the country and threatens to overthrow the government of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

"I think the administration has missed a lot of opportunities, in fact, has exacerbated the situation over the last two years with its cutoff of humanitarian assistance and its attitude towards the Aristide administration," Mr. Kerry said. "So they sort of created the environment within which the insurgency could grow and take root, and now they're trying to manage it, I think."

Senator Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, made his comments during a wide-ranging discussion today with editors and reporters of The New York Times in advance of next Tuesday's New York presidential primary.

He said that if he were president, he would be pressing Haitian rebels to back off their goal of toppling Mr. Aristide, perhaps by threatening the deployment of an international peacekeeping force.

"I think you've got to be real and threatening," he said. His message to the rebels, he said, would be: "You're not going to take over, you're not kicking him out, this democracy is going to be sustained, we're willing to put in a new government, new prime minister, we're willing to work with you, but you're not going to succeed in your goal of exiling" Mr. Aristide. "And unless that's clear, you can't necessarily stop it in its tracks."

On Monday, political opposition leaders in Port-au-Prince requested 24 hours to mull over a peace plan presented by the Bush administration and its allies.

Though Mr. Kerry acknowledged that he did not fully know the diplomatic strategy of the Bush administration to deal with Haiti's crisis, he speculated that a purposefully timid approach on the part of the Bush administration — "because they hate Aristide" — could be allowing the rebels to move forward with their uprising.

"They could be encouraging, not really putting the hammer down on these people to stop what they're doing," he said.

In the hourlong conversation at The New York Times, Mr. Kerry also said he opposed the decision by the mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom, to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples in what opponents hold is defiance of California state law.

"I think he's made a mistake," Mr. Kerry said of Mr. Newsom. "I think what he's doing is not the law." The candidate argued that the venue for challenging California law against same-sex marriages is in the courts.

While reaffirming his opposition to gay marriages, Mr. Kerry also reiterated his support of civil unions between same-sex partners.

"I think marriage gets in the way of what you are really fighting for, which is rights," he said, saying that he thought same-sex couples should be entitled to the same spousal and civil rights accorded partners in a heterosexual marriage.

Mr. Kerry made his comments before President Bush announced his support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. This afternoon, the Kerry campaign issued a statement in which the senator criticized the president's announcement and said he would vote against such an amendment.

"The best way to protect gays and lesbians is through civil unions," Mr. Kerry said in the statement. "The issue of marriage should be left to the states, and that the president of the United States should be addressing the central challenges where he has failed: jobs, health care and our leadership in the world, rather than once again seeking to drive a wedge by toying with the United States Constitution for political purposes."

During the discussion with the Times reporters and editors this morning, Mr. Kerry, who has won 15 of the 17 Democratic primaries and caucuses this year, occasionally spoke of facing President Bush in November, yet hardly mentioned his most-immediate rival for the nomination, Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

Hawaii, Idaho and Utah hold their nominating contests in the Democratic presidential race today, though the candidates have largely ignored those states: Mr. Kerry planned to spend most of today campaigning in Ohio, while Mr. Edwards was in Georgia and Texas.

Mr. Kerry said he and Mr. Edwards were "friends" and had "a very good relationship," but he said little of substance about his closest Democratic rival and instead hammered President Bush's policies on trade, foreign affairs, the economy and other issues.

Mr. Kerry argued that his long career in Congress, and particularly his foreign-policy experience, made him the best candidate to contest Mr. Bush in the fall. Although much of Mr. Kerry's campaign has been surrounded by discussions of his and Mr. Bush's roles during the Vietnam War, the focus of the conversation today dealt with more contemporary issues.

"The president has made it clear he wants to run on national security, and that makes sense," Mr. Kerry said. "He can't run on jobs, he can't run on education, he can't run on the environment."

"I think you're going to have a fear and security campaign, if they can,' he added. "And I think I'm the candidate who is perfectly situated to challenge them and take them on."

And, as he has done repeatedly during this race, Mr. Kerry dismissed the notion that his privileged upbringing in the Northeast would be a disadvantage in a head-to-head race against President Bush in the South.

Pointing out that Mr. Bush also was from a family of privilege and attended Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., and two Ivy League universities, he said, "I think people are looking for leadership, not labels, and I think they're looking for answers, not characterizations." Voters, he said, "want to know what you're made out of, not where you're from."

Mr. Kerry also pointed out that being a champion and practitioner of a cherished sport in the South, hunting, would help him talk his way into the heart of the Southern electorate.

"I think I can talk the language of guns," he said. "I think I can go down there and talk the language," which, he said, was "common sense."

Mr. Kerry also cautioned President Bush, the former governor of Texas, not to take his own turf for granted. "If I was George Bush, I would worry about going down to the South," he said. "Not me."

Mr. Kerry said his early lag in the opinion polls last summer only made him a tougher candidate.

"Running for president is a good humility builder and going through those desolate months of the summer has made me stronger," he said. "It's made me a much better candidate. I would hope it's made me a better person."

The senator attributed some of his resurgence to a change in his approach to voters on the campaign trail, mainly by replacing wonky policy talk with more ordinary phrasings. "I think I'm talking a different language," he said. "There's no Washingtonese," he said. "It's a very straightforward and simple kind of language, and I think that's what Americans want to hear. They don't want all this razzle-dazzle from Washington, D.C."

"I think I carry more energy in my public speaking than George Bush," Senator Kerry said, adding that he did not think he would have won 14 of 16 contests "if he didn't know how to connect to people."

Drawing a contrast with Gov. Michael S. Dukakis, the Democratic nominee for president in 1988, whom Mr. Kerry once served as lieutenant governor, Senator Kerry said he would fight back against all attacks.

"Michael Dukakis will tell you today, he didn't fight back," Mr. Kerry said. "He lost because there was a sense that if he wasn't willing to fight for himself, he wasn't willing to fight for me. I'm a fighter and that's what I proved in Iowa, New Hampshire, and that's what I'm going to prove in this race."


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KEYWORDS: 2004; haiti; kerry; marriage; marriagee; nosensekerry
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Kerry is a flake.
1 posted on 02/24/2004 8:59:46 PM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
"He said that if he were president, he would be pressing Haitian rebels to back off their goal of toppling Mr. Aristide, perhaps by threatening the deployment of an international peacekeeping force."

Oh brother! How lame can this democrat party hack get?

Does he think the U.S. wants another Carter?

2 posted on 02/24/2004 9:02:38 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: demlosers
"I think you've got to be real and threatening," he said. His message to the rebels, he said, would be: "You're not going to take over, you're not kicking him out, this democracy is going to be sustained, we're willing to put in a new government, new prime minister, we're willing to work with you, but you're not going to succeed in your goal of exiling" Mr. Aristide. "And unless that's clear, you can't necessarily stop it in its tracks."

God help us all.

3 posted on 02/24/2004 9:02:52 PM PST by Howlin
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To: demlosers
purposefully timid approach on the part of the Bush administration — "because they hate Aristide" — could be allowing the rebels to move forward with their uprising.

How ridiculous -- Kerry doesn't want us to do anything without the UN and multilateral approval, and then he turns arounds and blames Bush for NOT invading Haiti?!

4 posted on 02/24/2004 9:05:18 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: demlosers
Did he write himself up for another medal for these Solomonic words of wisdom?
5 posted on 02/24/2004 9:05:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: demlosers
I also note the the Stalinists at International ANSWER are rallying around Aristide -- so I wonder where the talking points are coming from here.
6 posted on 02/24/2004 9:06:34 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: demlosers
"I think you've got to be real and threatening," he said.

What does Kerry think the War on Terror is about? I'd call that real and threatening. Khadafi anyone.
7 posted on 02/24/2004 9:06:53 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Howlin
I was going to post the same quote!!

It's amazing.

Iraq is a "miserable failure" but he wants to try to use the military to force Haiti into "peace" to preserve democracy, while removing the democratically elected president and and replacing him with someone else of our choosing?

Did I read him right?????

I wonder if anyone like Rush or Hannity will pick up on this quote.
8 posted on 02/24/2004 9:08:04 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: demlosers
Kerry thinks Haiti has a democracy.

Since he is wrong on that point, everything else that follows is wrong.

This jerk just loves to hear himself speak---but he says nothing of substance.

Bill Clinton with a long face and a Boston accent--that's John Fonda Kerry.
9 posted on 02/24/2004 9:09:34 PM PST by exit82 (Toll free number for the Capitol switchboard:1-800-648-3516--let your reps in DC know what you think)
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To: BenLurkin; okie01; gaspar; Kenny Bunk
"He said that if he were president, he would be pressing Haitian rebels to back off their goal of toppling Mr. Aristide, perhaps by threatening the deployment of an international peacekeeping force."

I don't know much about Haiti, and who does, but it seems that the Haitians, today, pretty much hate Aristide. I don't think one has to go back to blaming Clinton, etc., for event of today - but why is Kerry coming out Pro-Aristide? What will it gain him with American voters? He could have made some sort of generic statement of concern.

What's his stake with Aristide?

And what is France's position? Would it be too much a stretch that France's position on Aristide "just happens" to coincide with France's? I think not...

10 posted on 02/24/2004 9:09:47 PM PST by Shermy
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To: blam
"I think I can talk the language of guns," he said. "I think I can go down there and talk the language," which, he said, was "common sense."

Blam?

11 posted on 02/24/2004 9:11:03 PM PST by Shermy
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To: jwalsh07
Though Mr. Kerry acknowledged that he did not fully know the diplomatic strategy of the Bush administration to deal with Haiti's crisis, he speculated that a purposefully timid approach on the part of the Bush administration — "because they hate Aristide" — could be allowing the rebels to move forward with their uprising.

That's quite a trite statement, IMO.

"Because they hate Aristide?" What a simpleton.

12 posted on 02/24/2004 9:11:03 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Unam Sanctam; Grampa Dave
I also note the the Stalinists at International ANSWER are rallying around Aristide -- so I wonder where the talking points are coming from here.

They must be getting new funding from France/TotalFinaElf. Like I suspect they did for their anti-Iraq war protests.

13 posted on 02/24/2004 9:12:21 PM PST by Shermy
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To: demlosers
"I think the administration has missed a lot of opportunities, in fact, has exacerbated the situation over the last two years with its cutoff of humanitarian assistance and its attitude towards the Aristide administration," Mr. Kerry said. "So they sort of created the environment within which the insurgency could grow and take root, and now they're trying to manage it, I think."

Aristide is the man who said he enjoyed attending a "Necklacing" because he loved the smell of a roasting human head. And Kerry wonders why GWB cut off Aid to Aristide

"I think you've got to be real and threatening," he said. His message to the rebels, he said, would be: "You're not going to take over, you're not kicking him out, this democracy is going to be sustained, we're willing to put in a new government, new prime minister, we're willing to work with you, but you're not going to succeed in your goal of exiling" Mr. Aristide. "And unless that's clear, you can't necessarily stop it in its tracks."

If this is what John Kerry thinks is leadership, He isn't fit to be a "Den Mother" for a group of Cub Scouts

14 posted on 02/24/2004 9:12:27 PM PST by MJY1288 (There's no leaders on the path of least resistance, ask John Kerry, he's been paving it for 32 yrs.)
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To: Howlin
"I think you've got to be real and threatening," he said.

This just makes me laugh. Does Kerry really believe, after showing his hand on his Iraq vote, that anybody would ever believe his threats, even if he made a real mean face when he said it? Heck, if I were a rebel I think I would start yelling "you are not my boss" and other responses worthy of Kerry's childish remarks.

15 posted on 02/24/2004 9:12:52 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: demlosers
Of course Kerry doesn't talk about the fact, that the reason we have trouble with Haiti now, is because of another one of Clinton's failed policies.

Bush has to clean up Clinton's messes one by one: Al Qaeda, Iraq, N. Korea, Haiti, and who knows what else.
16 posted on 02/24/2004 9:14:16 PM PST by FairOpinion ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." --- G. W. Bush)
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To: adam_az
Yes, you did!

It's like military psychobabble!

I still have not been able to find one word about the remarks Kerry made yesterday concerning his vote on the Iraq War.

I am positive I heard him say that his based his vote on the fact that he was going to be a candidate for POTUS.

And MEG33 confirmed that SHE heard what I heard!

"You are absolutely correct.Kerry said he would not have voted for it,but he had to think like a Presidential candidate...I assume as opposed to a liberal lefty Senator...or because if he became President and wanted authority in intervene in Haiti or Liberia,he would want to be on record as being reasonable?

He,as usual gained no credibility with that statement.I hope the media will finally smell blood in the water and go after Kerry.They love to do gotcha ,no matter who,because it makes them look important.

170 posted on 02/24/2004 9:52:01 PM EST by MEG33

Isn't that an amazing thing for him to say???

17 posted on 02/24/2004 9:15:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
This is an unbelievable set of remarks from someone who wants to be the next POTUS.

My goodness, I could of answered those questions better than he did.

This article needs to be sent to Rush, Sean, Medved and everyone who can let the world know what a simpleton John Kerry really is

18 posted on 02/24/2004 9:16:00 PM PST by MJY1288 (There's no leaders on the path of least resistance, ask John Kerry, he's been paving it for 32 yrs.)
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To: Dolphy
"You're not the boss of me?"

even if he made a real mean face when he said it

The sum total of his foreign policy!

19 posted on 02/24/2004 9:16:24 PM PST by Howlin
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To: demlosers
Alright, let's add Haiti to the list of things that are obviously Bush's fault right next to mad cow disease and everything else that has gone wrong in the world.

"I think I'm talking a different language," he said. "There's no Washingtonese," he said. "It's a very straightforward and simple kind of language, and I think that's what Americans want to hear. They don't want all this razzle-dazzle from Washington, D.C."

How is having it all ways, sticking your finger in the air, and speaking one thing to one group on gay marriage, Iraq, NAFTA, and everything esle under the sun being very straight forward and simple? I'm confused Mr. 4 term senator. Are you talking about your self?
20 posted on 02/24/2004 9:17:02 PM PST by the right side jedi
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