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This involves promising lab results, and practical benefits too. What are the anti-evos gonna do now?
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To: Charles Henrickson
3 posted on
02/24/2004 4:08:20 AM PST by
martin_fierro
(I miss the Media Schadenfreude Ping)
To: PatrickHenry
What are the anti-evos gonna do now?Does it really matter what they say or do?
It's best to just ignore them.
They've been left behind.
4 posted on
02/24/2004 4:15:28 AM PST by
ASA Vet
("Those who know, don't talk, those who talk, don't know.")
To: PatrickHenry; thesummerwind
We are seeing the building blocks of molecular nanotechnology being created. Think of this "artifical DNA" as storage media for molecular assemblers!
5 posted on
02/24/2004 4:16:46 AM PST by
marktwain
To: PatrickHenry
What are the anti-evos gonna do now? What they always do and move the goalpost.
You can't create a cat from scratch in laboratory now can you?
6 posted on
02/24/2004 4:32:56 AM PST by
qam1
(Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
To: PatrickHenry
These can be used to make forms of DNA that are more robust than the natural kind and do not break apart when exposed to high temperatures. I hope this stuff doesn't escape in viral form. Ouch!
To: PatrickHenry
I'm not sure what you mean. Why is this a problem for "anti-evos?"
To: PatrickHenry
Odd, absent the assertions that the work was done by 'harnessing the principles of evolution' and that in the future the artificial genome 'might evolve on its own', it sounds a bit more like an instance of intelligent design than of evolution: intelligent actors select what enzymes to use. And, where is the 'selection' process in this if not in the scientist's minds and actions?
All your rhetoric does is prove that evolutionism, whatever its scientific roots, has beeome as much a closed, unfalsifiable system in the minds of its vocal proponents as creationism is in the minds of its.
To: PatrickHenry
By systematically tinkering with the structure of DNA polymerase at one or two specific locations, researchers can make enzymes that work with artificial bases. But this technique, called 'rational design', is a tedious and unpredictable process. "Going the full distance is very difficult to do in a rational way," says Rui Sousa of the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. Sousa has designed polymerases that are being used commercially.
Romesberg and his co-workers tried a different approach called 'directed evolution'. They made millions of mutant polymerases by randomly scrambling part of the natural enzyme's chemical structure. Most of the mutants were useless, but some were quite good at stitching together non-standard bases. They plucked these useful mutants out of the crowd, and repeated the mutation and selection process to fine-tune their abilities.
Hah! It's turning out that "intelligent design"
IS variation and [
some or other kind of] selection.
To: PatrickHenry
When they can create life out of nothing, then I'll pay attention.
17 posted on
02/24/2004 6:07:30 AM PST by
ZULU
(GOD BLESS SENATOR McCARTHY!!!!)
To: PatrickHenry
"to find an enzyme capable of assembling non-standard DNA1." If you're going to try to "create life" in a lab, you should start with your own material - not God's.
When scientists create something from nothing, I'll be the first in line to praise them!
ampu
20 posted on
02/24/2004 6:49:08 AM PST by
aMorePerfectUnion
(Hi! I'm John Kerry - and did I mention I was in Vietnam?)
Romesberg and his co-workers tried a different approach called 'directed evolution'.
Benner's group checked mutated forms to find a modified RT capable of stitching two non-standard bases into strings of DNA. They fine-tuned this enzyme using rational design.
25 posted on
02/24/2004 9:40:10 AM PST by
AndrewC
(I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
To: PatrickHenry
Hey, did we ever get any new fruit flies? I remember that thread--they were claiming that they had gene-spliced a new species of fruit fly.
29 posted on
02/24/2004 1:30:04 PM PST by
Mamzelle
To: PatrickHenry
But this technique, called 'rational design', is a tedious and unpredictable process.... Romesberg and his co-workers tried a different approach called 'directed evolution'. aka Intelligent Design.
33 posted on
02/24/2004 1:56:57 PM PST by
Sloth
(We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
To: PatrickHenry
Floyd Romesberg and co-workers at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, have harnessed the principles of evolution to find an enzyme capable of assembling non-standard DNA1.
Typical question begging. And I speak as someone doing a post-doc in molecular neurobiology at a top U.S. university.
42 posted on
02/24/2004 8:26:21 PM PST by
aruanan
To: PatrickHenry
That's incredible bookmark. Non-natural base pairs. In a way it does make sense. Why reinvent the wheel (though some may claim that never happened) It would be difficult to get nano processors so small so quickly!
To: PatrickHenry
It's probably begging the question to draw a line when the domain might be a continuous spectrum of possibilities. We might one day want to consider all matter as living--all the way from hydrogen atoms to galaxies. Some people already do that, but they are hard to understand sometimes.
76 posted on
03/01/2004 1:43:22 PM PST by
RightWhale
(Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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