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California Coastal Commission Rejects Plans For Border Fence
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Posted on 02/18/2004 9:13:46 PM PST by BurbankKarl

California regulators on Wednesday denied a Department of Homeland Security's request to fortify the westernmost stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border, setting the stage for a possible legal battle between the state and the Bush administration.

The California Coastal Commission, in a 10-0 vote, found that the harm the project would cause to sensitive habitats outweighed the security benefits provided by filling in canyons and erecting additional fences along the final 3 1/2 miles of the border before it meets the ocean.

"The operation might succeed, but the patient might die," Commissioner John S. Woolley said.

The U.S. Border Patrol insisted the fortifications were needed to deter illegal border crossers and protect its agents. They said they planned to challenge the commission's ruling.

"It doesn't end here," the Border Patrol's Michael Hance said.

The ruling could delay plans to start construction next year on the final phase of the $58 million fencing project. Nine miles have already been fenced.

If the two sides can't reach a compromise, the issue is likely to land in federal court, officials said. The U.S. government, however, holds a never-before-used trump card: Under federal law governing coastal management, the president has the power to override an unfavorable court ruling.

Woolley, for one, said he welcomed the fight.

"For those individuals who wish to pursue this in other venues I wish them Godspeed," he said. "That's what this nation needs to press so we don't run amok with the kind of laws the Homeland Security Act may provide."

The plans call for two additional fences running parallel to the 11-year-old corrugated steel barrier along the border. A patrol road and series of lights run between the first and second fences, and a maintenance road would run between the second and third set of fences.

Much of the environmental concerns stem from the Border Patrol's plans to fill a deep, half-mile long canyon known as "Smuggler's Gulch," with 2.1 million cubic yards of dirt, enough to fill 300,000 dump trucks.

The Coastal Commission said filling the canyon would erode soil near a federally protected estuary that is a refuge for threatened and endangered birds. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service also opposed filling in Smuggler's Gulch.

The Border Patrol said proposed alternatives, such as switchback roads through the gulch, would leave gaps in enforcement. The agency's apprehensions fell to 16,000 last year, a decline of 88 percent since the federal government launched a crackdown in 1994, erecting fences, adding patrols and installing lights and motion sensors.

Steep, unimproved roads were responsible for the death of three San Diego-based Border Patrol agents over the past two years. In addition, agents also are pelted by rocks and debris hurled from the Mexican side of the border.

"I think we should defer to the people who put their lives on the line out there in very difficult situations," said U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-El Cajon, who long has advocated beefing up the border.

Hunter, the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said the commission's "nutty decision" ignored the risk of a terrorist slipping across the border to attack San Diego's Navy bases. He distributed a letter from Navy Secretary Gordon England that underscored the "unnecessary security risk" posed by a porous border.

"Border security is America's Trojan horse," Mike Giorgino, a congressional candidate in San Diego told the commission.

Migrant advocates said the fencing is part of a crackdown that has not stopped those who routinely cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally, but only made it more dangerous. Illegal immigrants now cross the border in the deserts of Arizona and California where the blistering heat and freezing cold have contributed to hundreds of deaths.

"This triple fence is the center of untold human rights violations," said Christian Ramirez of the American Friends Service Committee.

The Associated Press


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; california; coastalcommission; control; environment; homelandsecurity; security
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It just never ends, does it?
1 posted on 02/18/2004 9:13:46 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
This triple fence is the center of untold human rights violations," said Christian Ramirez of the American Friends Service Committee

*** There's so much wrong with that statement I don't know where to begin.
2 posted on 02/18/2004 9:15:04 PM PST by cyborg
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To: BurbankKarl
The southern border fence idea is what Pat Buchanan advocated as one issue on his platform in his bid for the presidency in '96.
3 posted on 02/18/2004 9:16:46 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: BurbankKarl; South40; Travis McGee; FairOpinion
Eviromental whackos continue to doom CA and the Feds will fight this with Hunter leading the way.
4 posted on 02/18/2004 9:19:56 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Hm, I wonder if we can put up a fence on the Arizona/California and Arizona/Mexico borders? That would help those of us in Arizona.
5 posted on 02/18/2004 9:20:38 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: lilylangtree
Unbelievable........so what about the destruction of habitat trampled on, literred with muck, fecis, urine and garbage....?

Just make the "Coastal Commission" members personally liable for any damage done by the mass of illegals.

6 posted on 02/18/2004 9:21:32 PM PST by spokeshave (She said one of the men yelled after the retreating burglar: "And that's just our womenfolk.")
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To: BurbankKarl
Build the fence on the Mexican side.

No red tape. Just bring money.

7 posted on 02/18/2004 9:22:58 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: spokeshave
And contract the wall out to the Israelis .......they know how to build 'em high - wide - and handsome
8 posted on 02/18/2004 9:23:46 PM PST by spokeshave (She said one of the men yelled after the retreating burglar: "And that's just our womenfolk.")
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To: onyx
"In addition, agents also are pelted by rocks and debris hurled from the Mexican side of the border." We should arm our border agents with 105mm howitzers. A little counter-battery should quiet the malcontents on the Mexican side.
9 posted on 02/18/2004 9:29:59 PM PST by AUH2OY2K
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To: BurbankKarl
Crap, total crap. Smite them, smite them all.
10 posted on 02/18/2004 9:30:09 PM PST by Torie
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To: BurbankKarl
Don't worry, Senor! El Presidente weel step in and...aw, crap! Forget it! what in hell was I thinking?
11 posted on 02/18/2004 9:30:36 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Somebody's gotta say these things...It might as well be ME!!!)
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To: lilylangtree
Pop quiz time!

Who said this?

But how is our survival as a nation menaced when not one American has died in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11?

12 posted on 02/18/2004 9:35:42 PM PST by Howlin
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To: BurbankKarl
The dreaded Gnat-Catcher strikes again.
 
Green is Red...
 
Set Up & Sold Out : Find Out What Green Really Means
 
 

13 posted on 02/18/2004 9:35:53 PM PST by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: AUH2OY2K
I reside in San Diego. The agents have my undying sympathy and my full support.
14 posted on 02/18/2004 9:37:33 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: BurbankKarl
The evil side of mans nature, when animal or weed becomes more valuable than man. Earth worshipers would sacrifice thousands of human lives for the sake of a bird.
People would be "thinned out" for the sake of the forest.
15 posted on 02/18/2004 9:39:49 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: VxH
As interesting are the biographies of the folks who are looking out for "our" interests in CA. What a bunch of tie-dyed liberal Gray Davis appointees. Coastal Commision Biographies
16 posted on 02/18/2004 9:40:21 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: BurbankKarl
The La Paz Agreement implemented by the environmentalists of the world around 1984, has become the Borders XX1 snag. The heavy hand of the EPA and the United Nations are in charge.

The California Coastal Commission is made up of these people - in effect they have successfully removed the southern borders of America.

17 posted on 02/18/2004 9:43:36 PM PST by yoe (WMD come in small containers/vials...small minds don't want you to know that.)
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To: BurbankKarl
"This triple fence is the center of untold human rights violations," said Christian Ramirez of the American Friends Service Committee.

I checked with the Bureau of Idiots to find out whether the average idiot can tell the difference between a fence that keeps people out, and a fence that keeps people in.

According to them, 86.3% of idiots correctly associate "prison" with fences that keep people in, and "border" with fences that keep people out.

So even idiots are not going to fall for this guy's claptrap.


18 posted on 02/18/2004 9:45:16 PM PST by Nick Danger (Spotted owl tastes like chicken)
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To: BurbankKarl
Under federal law governing coastal management, the president has the power to override an unfavorable court ruling.

Hmmmmmm sounds like the "Exceptions" clause {USC Art 3, Sec 2, Clause 2} popping up again.

If only Congress had the guts to use it to overturn Roe vs Wade & Miller vs the United States.........

19 posted on 02/18/2004 9:45:26 PM PST by TeleStraightShooter (Kerry plans to apply post-Vietnam policy to Iraq: Skedaddle & let the Syrian Batthists take over)
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To: BurbankKarl
I hope California breaks off and floats away from the US.

It was great 30 years ago, its been ruined by immigration.
20 posted on 02/18/2004 9:47:43 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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