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Hi Blam

You are becoming quite the resource data base : )

Am reminded of the USGS data for the Pacific ocean level rise.

12/11,500- 9,500 BP....hundreds of feet.

For sure a migration event..World wide.

To the Haida first Nations peoples of the Pacific Northwest the Raven is both helper and trickster.

An intersting story carried forward in their Mythology is when the Raven helped bring back the Moon and the Sun.

The Myth begins with a rather bizarre statement..

"In the beginning their was a time when the sky was gloom and shrouded in cloud....when Old man had taken the Moon away and put it in a box."

Raven eventually outwits Old Man and free's the Moon from the box..and lifts it up into the Sky...then the Sun appears.

Haida Gwaii.

After watching a documentary on the Haida was captivated by the regional name the Haida used..

Gwaii.

Hawaii comes to mind quickly here...the distance between Hawaii and the Queen Charolette's is staggering...and yet..the language hints of a connection.

Was there a common tounge long ago?

Are the Haida related to the Polynesians?

In a past post on Jade and its history of trade in the Pacific..one ponders if such commerce reality existed..and if so..was there a commerce language for transactions and record keeping.

When the Ocean levels rose...were many of these native peoples cut off from each other..the knowledge of connectiveness lost over millenia?

Unless habitations were fashioned in stone...the proof of their existence say circa 10,000 BP might not appear...ebbing away as the wood of their habitations decayed..their tools buried in the soil..or subducted below the rising Ocean.

Study of Pacific native legends are steeped in Moon lore....for a peoples who knew their sky intimately..why then the theme of a *Dissapearing Moon?

Certainly they understood cloud cover and fog..and seasonally periods of dense cloud do shroud the Pacific Northwesy coastlines and inland some...so why forward this bizarre theme..and match it to their Hero..the Raven? In a post many moons ago here at Grahams..forwarded a thread on Tiahuanaco.."The City of the Falling Moon"...the testimony of the Ancient ones who pre-ceeded the Inca.

Many of the Temples in Central America are connected to the Moon.... The Natives of the Continental U.S. still return to Ancient rock circles which go back thousands of years..to observe Lunar phases.

We know from USGS data that the Pacific ocean was hundreds of feet lower in the 12,000-9,500 bp period....places near Yonaguni in the Okinawan waters have caves with stalactites which drip from above ground ..or above water. These caves are now at great depths below the current Ocean levels..and a mystery...a hint that either the land fell..or the Ocean rose..or both.

Haida art has paralell theme designs to the Mayans..as seen in their Totem poles and other artwork.

The Haida also Tatooed themselves..some paralell seen in Polynesian cultures.

Several constructs exist for how the Ice age cycle was broken..and the rise of the Pacific ocean.

Native Mythology has kept many theme's connected to the Moon alive...

are we overlooking the Prime mover of the Ice age ending period... could this be the reason for the Global flood Mythology.

The Hebrew account states that vaults were opened below the Earth..and water errupted out in great volumes.

Could a Moon which had been drawn near the Earth and fragmented in the Gravity energy exchange....cause the Earths crust to fracture..and release water as per the Hebrew account.

The survival testimonies abound in Mythology...the Ancestors who escaped by climbing high mountains. A time when there was no Moon.

Just stories?

Awesome picture of the whales.

I believe all the flood stories can be tied to the ice melt at the end of the Ice Age

About the missing moon, don't know. I'm reminded of stories by Dr Mike Baillie ( Did Asteroids And Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization) he speaks of dust veils dimming the sun and blocking out the stars for years but, I don't recall any mention of the moon.

I red a book not to long ago, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders, by Dr Robert Schoch (Geologist/Geophysist) and he speculates that the origins of all the worlds pyramids come from the people who fled Sundaland as it went underwater at the end of the Ice Age.

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The disappearance or arrival of the Moon is spoken of in at least two other ancient myths that come to mind. One is in the Welsh "Mabinogeon", an origin myth for the tides, which obviously implies a time before the Moon, but not necessarily. And the Greeks of ancient Attica claimed to have lived there since before the Moon was in the sky.

The Moon's past orbit has been reconstructed from nautiloid fossils. The major septa such species lay down today is tied to the lunar month (not the civil one, obviously). 420 million years ago the month was only 9 days long. At that time the Moon was less than half the distance from the Earth that it is now.

This means the Moon was not made from the Earth by a huge impact, because 420 million years is only one-tenth the age of the Earth, and most of the Earth-Moon distance would have had to have accumulated during those first 4 billion or so years.

Also, a fission scenario (either through impact, or through overspin a la Van Flandern) is the most complicated of all the models of lunar origin. It requires not only an impact, but one in which the lunar material remains within Earth's sphere of influence and forms a sphere (the lunar core is only 8 km off dead center). It is thus a fission model, a capture model, and an in situ formation model all in one.

Sooooo, the Moon formed somewhere else and was captured by the Earth, probably in a series of encounters as speculated by V.A. Firsoff circa 1960.