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To: hattend
Quote "I will never go over Massachusetts airspace, let alone visit there"

I am sure they really don't care whether you visit there or not.

Sounds like the nation is moving forward. A victory for human rights...
10 posted on 02/04/2004 8:32:12 AM PST by I_love_weather
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To: I_love_weather
Sounds like the nation is moving forward

To what end?

Nice troll.
Wrong lure.

17 posted on 02/04/2004 8:35:39 AM PST by hattend (Are we there, yet?)
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To: I_love_weather
Be gone troll.
25 posted on 02/04/2004 8:37:34 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: I_love_weather
Sounds like the nation is moving forward. A victory for human rights...

This is why the terrorists want us all dead.

There will not be a more devisive issue in this year's presidential race.

This trumps Iraq by a mile.

63 posted on 02/04/2004 8:49:50 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: I_love_weather
A victory for human rights...

No, a victory for political correctness.

There is no "right" to redefine a word that has for millenia meant one thing.

If the judges are allowed to do this, suit should be immediately filed to really change the definition. There's absolutely no logical grounds to restrict the new "marriage" to "two" "persons".

Multiple partners should be fine, animals should be fine, inanimate objects should be fine, etc.

It's a ludicrous, but politically correct position, for the Mass SC to pander to homosexuals, as they're the cause de jure.

67 posted on 02/04/2004 8:50:23 AM PST by jimt
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To: I_love_weather
Sounds like the nation is moving forward. A victory for human rights...

Every American is endowed with the same rights and privileges. Anybody can enjoy the privileges and responsibilities afforded to those who are married as long as they satisfy the requirements of marriage, to wit, one man and one woman.

69 posted on 02/04/2004 8:50:50 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: I_love_weather
Your beliefs are just that...your beliefs.

As are yours.
Now tell us exactly how you see a nation that condones homo-marriage as one that would be 'moving forward'.

84 posted on 02/04/2004 8:54:50 AM PST by jla
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To: I_love_weather
A victory for human rights...

The right to sodomy?

86 posted on 02/04/2004 8:55:25 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: I_love_weather
Moving forward into what? More AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases, legal sodomy, no morals....just what are we moving forward into??
90 posted on 02/04/2004 8:56:23 AM PST by maeng
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To: I_love_weather
No, it is not a victory for human rights, it is simply another judicial power grab to impose the will of a few unelected judges on the people via a legal loophole.

Read closely, they had the opportunity to chose a potentially equal designation of 'civil unions', that with some legislative moves would have provided basically the same economic benefits, while still recognizing that a union of a man-man or woman-woman is clearly different than man-woman, with different policy impacts. But no, even that wasn't good enough, they had to insist that it be given the same term, 'marriage'.

Fine, the gay rights lobby got greedy and overreached. They could have gotten 99% of what they wanted under a different name, but they wanted to smear it in everyone's face, acting like a spoiled little child who runs around the dinner table putting his fingers in everyone's plate. Well now they will find out the bitter negatives of overreaching out of greed and spite, and get far less than what they could have. 2/3rds of Americans oppose gay marriage, and the number opposed to forced gay marriage laws will only grow when the issue of having one state define their state's laws becomes a co-equal issue. The judicial activists have also miscalculated on what they can get away with.

In the culture war, the gay lobby and judicial activists have just decided to lead the French army into Russia, and winter is approaching...
109 posted on 02/04/2004 9:06:38 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (If Bush loses, it will be a Giuliani/Powell ticket in 2008)
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To: I_love_weather
Human rights?

No, Degenerate rights.

This is indefensible and wrong.
162 posted on 02/04/2004 9:39:58 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: I_love_weather
Sounds like the nation is moving forward.

A proponent of the "Progressive" movement, are we?

A victory for human rights...

Entirely wrong, my friend. This is an attack on a religious sacrament. Marriage was around looong before Massachusetts. Imagine if that court demanded that the Legislature pass laws forbidding a Muslim sacrament, like the hajj (trip to Mecca), or, more on point, forbidding them from asking women to wear head-dresses of whatever kind.

If the court truly cared about Equal Protection (which is the issue here), they would tell government to create legislation forming "Civil Unions", and requiring that they be treated the same as marriages in the eyes of the State. That would respect the religious institution, yet provide equal rights for all citizens. Henceforth, every marriage certificate would have an accompanying form, titled Civil Union certificate. Then government could continue to legislate as they always have, merely addressingcivil unions rather than married couples.

The Court VERY INTENTIONALLY went another way, expressing a preference for one lifestyle, and demanding that another accept the intentional defiling of a few thousand years of tradition.

The other major problem here, aside from the religious attack and the moral implications, is that budgetary allocations are going to get one HELL of a shock next year... not that any moron (like myself! LOL) could see it coming or anything.

206 posted on 02/04/2004 10:22:32 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: I_love_weather
Sounds like the nation is moving forward. A victory for human rights...

Forward, right.... straight to Hell. Marriage - betwen a man and a woman - is not a form of oppression. It is a fundamental precondition for an orderly society, and the basis for all other social insitutions - churches & synagogues, neighborhoods & communities, businesses & organizations. Marriage, in addition to providing for the propagation of the species, serves to impose obligations upon rights and duties upon liberty, and that is what properly regulates a free society, and inhibits bad and destructive behaviors.

244 posted on 02/04/2004 10:55:27 AM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: I_love_weather
Sounds like the nation is moving forward. A victory for human rights...

Sodomy is both a right and progressive? Interesting. And you base this upon what grounds?

270 posted on 02/04/2004 11:19:40 AM PST by highlander_UW
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To: I_love_weather
A victory for human rights...

What a terribly mean spirited thing to say. To endorse killing with AIDS by promoting homosexual behavior is horrible. We can only pray that these people, who have homosexual desires, change their lifestyle like the many thousands who have.

293 posted on 02/04/2004 11:45:28 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: I_love_weather
"A middle ground might be to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution." Michenlangelo Signorile in OUT magazine (Dec/Jan 1994.)

Chris Crain, the editor of the Washington Blade has stated that all homosexual activists should fight for the legalization of same-sex marriage as a way of gaining passage of federal anti-discrimination laws that will provide homosexuals with federal protection for their chosen lifestyle.

Crain writes: "...any leader of any gay rights organization who is not prepared to throw the bulk of their efforts right now into the fight for marriage is squandering resources and doesn't deserve the position." (Washington Blade, August, 2003).

Andrew Sullivan, a homosexual activist writing in his book, Virtually Normal, says that once same-sex marriage is legalized, heterosexuals will have to develop a greater "understanding of the need for extramarital outlets between two men than between a man and a woman." He notes: "The truth is, homosexuals are not entirely normal; and to flatten their varied and complicated lives into a single, moralistic model is to miss what is essential and exhilarating about their otherness." (Sullivan, Virtually Normal, pp. 202-203)

Paula Ettelbrick, a law professor and homosexual activist has said: "Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so. … Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family; and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society. … We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society's view of reality." (partially quoted in "Beyond Gay Marriage," Stanley Kurtz, The Weekly Standard, August 4, 2003)

Evan Wolfson has stated: "Isn't having the law pretend that there is only one family model that works (let alone exists) a lie? … marriage is not just about procreation-indeed is not necessarily about procreation at all." (quoted in "What Marriage Is For," by Maggie Gallagher, The Weekly Standard, August 11, 2003)

Mitchel Raphael, editor of the Canadian homosexual magazine Fab, says: "Ambiguity is a good word for the feeling among gays about marriage. I'd be for marriage if I thought gay people would challenge and change the institution and not buy into the traditional meaning of 'till death do us part' and monogamy forever. We should be Oscar Wildes and not like everyone else watching the play." (quoted in "Now Free To Marry, Canada's Gays Say, 'Do I?'" by Clifford Krauss, The New York Times, August 31, 2003)

1972 Gay Rights Platform Demands: "Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit…" [Emphasis added.]

344 posted on 02/04/2004 1:05:36 PM PST by johnmorris886
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To: I_love_weather
It is not human rights. Gays have the same marriage rights as straights. Gay men can marry a woman like straight men can marry a woman. There is no discrimination; thus this is no victory except for the coarsening of America.

And this will not advance gay rights. This will bring such outrage and venom that gays may fear attacks on them because they invaded one of the most sacred of sacraments and structures in society.

You are a fool.
451 posted on 02/04/2004 3:54:14 PM PST by FUMETTI (John Kerry: Stone Faced Weasel)
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To: I_love_weather
Sounds like the nation is moving forward. A victory for human rights...

Sounds more like a victory for a mental disorder...

491 posted on 02/04/2004 6:28:10 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Death is certain; little chance of success; what are we waiting for???)
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To: I_love_weather
"...Sounds like the nation is moving forward. A victory for human rights..."
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Are you a queer?
Or do you just play one on Free Republic?
493 posted on 02/04/2004 6:36:19 PM PST by DefCon
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To: I_love_weather
...you believe in equal rights?

So, tell us, where do equal rights end. Why not have plural marriages? After all, polygamy was once the norm in parts of Utah. Much of the Islam community still practice it; forwarding (a plausible) argument that Westerners marry our wives one at a time (through divorce and remarriage) while they do all at once. What's to prevent someone else to argue that they shouldn't marry their immediate kinfolk (no disrespect those of you in W.Va.). THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT!

511 posted on 02/05/2004 5:56:06 AM PST by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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