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Robbing Peter Jr. to Pay Paul Sr.
Buisnes Week online ^ | 2/2/03 | Amey Stone

Posted on 02/02/2004 7:47:58 PM PST by qam1

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:16:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Adult daughter: "Mom, I hate to ask this, but we could really use some help with our mortgage payment this month."

Mother: "Last month it was your credit-card bill, this month your mortgage. If this begging keeps up, I won't be able to pay my property taxes this year. I'm only 75, and I'm halfway through my 401(k) plan."


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; genx; taxreform
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1 posted on 02/02/2004 7:47:59 PM PST by qam1
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; m18436572; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1980) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details.

2 posted on 02/02/2004 7:51:12 PM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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To: qam1
If the slum-glut druggies got off of ssi things would be a little better. I work in a hospital and I bet 60 per cent of the patients are on disability. Backs, drugs, booze you name it.
3 posted on 02/02/2004 7:54:22 PM PST by mlmr (Taxation with greedy representation is not a good thing)
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To: qam1
Anti-Business Week

I knew that must be the source, or a leftist newspaper when I saw that term, Costly tax Cuts...

privatize!! we wouldn't have this problem.

4 posted on 02/02/2004 7:57:56 PM PST by GeronL (www.ArmorforCongress.com ............... Support a FReeper for Congress)
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To: mlmr
Why not just euthanize the ones that haven't prepared for their own retirement?

Being robbed in a dark alley with a gun in my face is the same as being robbed at the ballot box, it is still being robbed. Gen-X and Gen-Y should be preparing themselves for a generational warfare of epic proportions as the boomers, the silent generation and the gimme generation spend Gen-X/Gen-Y into poverty, when the time comes to take care of their old, crusty carcasses, I say let them rot.

5 posted on 02/02/2004 8:03:04 PM PST by xrp
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To: qam1
Adult daughter: "Mom, I hate to ask this, but we could really use some help with our mortgage payment this month."

That has always been the line. It was when I was young too.

Instead of blaming the boomers who have payed in megabucks, why not put the blame where it really belongs..on the numerous regimes have stolen from us. There would have been plenty of money to take care of aging boomers and then some if that money hadn't been touched for their pet projects. Do we have a lock box yet?
6 posted on 02/02/2004 8:06:42 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
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To: xrp
My grandmother,95, got more Social Security money then she put in.
My mother, 73, gets a little more then she put in.
I'll be lucky to get back what I put in.
My children will never get back what they put in!!
7 posted on 02/02/2004 8:13:36 PM PST by tbird5
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To: mlmr
If the slum-glut druggies got off of ssi things would be a little better. I work in a hospital and I bet 60 per cent of the patients are on disability. Backs, drugs, booze you name it.

And don't forget the SS snail darter fund, Yeah lots of crap have been added to the original SS and getting rid of it would help but in the end like all Pyramid schemes it would still be destined to fail

8 posted on 02/02/2004 8:26:23 PM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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To: tbird5; xrp
This is why soc. sec. reform must happen. Bush (and others) are right, but they have sold their program the wrong way. They have let it be short-handed as "investing in the (stock) market", they should sell it as "tying retirement savings to the individual". That, plus a continued safety net for minor children of workers who die prematurely is what needs to be done.

We boomers will be lucky to escape Euthanasia, at the hand of a generation we decimated, or worse, via abortion.
9 posted on 02/02/2004 8:29:33 PM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: qam1
Wait a minute!

What is not clarified here is that the Senior Citizens, as a group, are the biggest voting bloc. When the boomers retire, they will vote in every politician who will give them their benefits and more!!!!

Dear Gen X, Y and Z,

You will be enslaved to the government more than your fathers and grandfathers ever thought about. Resistance is futile.

10 posted on 02/02/2004 8:52:57 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (20th Century lesson: 100 million killed by their own government - communism)
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To: VRW Conspirator
I like to add that I pointed thsi out on several occasions. The boomers are not happy with aborting their own. They are going to enslave the rest of us.

Eliminating the 16th amendment in any decent way will be the prime way to slay this beast. (sigh)

11 posted on 02/02/2004 9:02:44 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (20th Century lesson: 100 million killed by their own government - communism)
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To: VRW Conspirator; tbird5; xrp; ETERNAL WARMING; GeronL; mlmr
What is not clarified here is that the Senior Citizens, as a group, are the biggest voting bloc. When the boomers retire, they will vote in every politician who will give them their benefits and more!!!!

This is false. In 2008, the Gen-X and younger voters will have a 13-million majority (52.8% of living eligible voters) over the Boomers and older voters. By 2012, the Gen-X and younger voters will have a 55.8% majority.

If the Gen-X and Gen-Y voters get busy and get united (even partially) they can decide every electoral and policy decision from 2008 until about 2030.

If the Gen-X and Gen-Y voters want to change the Social Security system, they can change it, and the Boomers will just have to adapt.

If the Gen-X and Gen-Y voters want to start a new political party, or two new parties, the Democrats and Republicans will disappear into the dustbin of history, along with the Whigs, Tories, Bull Moose, etc.

If the Gen-X and Gen-Y voters want a Gen-X president, they can accomplish it in 2008. The oldest of them will be 43, and they will have over 17 million to choose from.

If the Gen-X and Gen-y voters want to completely fill the House and Senate with Gen-X representatives and Senators, they can do it starting in 2008.

The neat thing is that even if the Boomers and older Silent members of the Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Constitution, Reform, Green, and whatever else parties united against the Gen-X and Gen-Y voters, they would not have a majority of eligible voters in 2008, and never will again.

All you have to do is start rattling the cages of the 14-40-year-old eligible and turn them into active voters (preferably toward the conservative side).

Even if you can only roust half of them, you will still have more votes than either the Democrats or Republicans.

As it is, the younger voters are sullenly, and unnecessarily, following in the footsteps of the Boomers, waiting for them to drop some crumbs.

Amazing things can happen when the majority is aware of its numbers.

12 posted on 02/02/2004 9:37:41 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: VRW Conspirator
"Dear Gen X, Y and Z,

You will be enslaved to the government more than your fathers and grandfathers ever thought about. Resistance is futile."

And they are going to run out of gas

13 posted on 02/02/2004 9:41:20 PM PST by alphadog
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To: qam1
"Mother: "Last month it was your credit-card bill, this month your mortgage. If this begging keeps up, I won't be able to pay my property taxes this year. I'm only 75, and I'm halfway through my 401(k) plan."

I took My 401k... Bought 60 acres, solar panels, batteries, inverter all the off grid stuff, fruit trees, and equipement, for my three daughters 16, 14,and 12..together we are learning to be self sustaining, I couldn't ask for a better retirement.

14 posted on 02/02/2004 9:56:56 PM PST by alphadog
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To: meadsjn
meadsjn said: "If the Gen-X and Gen-y voters want to ..."

The only thing that the Gen-X and Gen-Y voters can't accomplish is to mandate self-reliance and productivity on the part of the American people. And nothing else will solve the problem.

15 posted on 02/02/2004 10:00:31 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell
I have a suspicion that a generation of people who grew up as latch-key kids will be able to tell the slackers to pull their own weight and make their own way in the world.
16 posted on 02/02/2004 10:15:51 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: xrp
"...when the time comes to take care of their old, crusty carcasses, I say let them rot..."

Not-so-fast there, youngster. My crusty old carcass starts collecting all those bennies next year, and I expect you and all your young-little-buddies to keep working your asses off so I can enjoy my dotage!

Now, nose to the grindstone, and don't let up 'till we say so. And get me a Rye-and-Soda, dammit!...............FRegards

17 posted on 02/02/2004 11:24:11 PM PST by gonzo (If I got smart with you, how could you tell??)
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To: mlmr
I thought SSI was changed so degenerates couldn't flop onto it! (?)
18 posted on 02/02/2004 11:33:39 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.")
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To: qam1
Mother: "Last month it was your credit-card bill, this month your mortgage. If this begging keeps up, I won't be able to pay my property taxes this year. I'm only 75, and I'm halfway through my 401(k) plan."

Daughter: "Yeah, but at least you have a 401(k) plan. My new job isn't even offering benefits. And remember, part of my check is going to pay your Social Security."

Mother: "Hahaha.... Bite me. You're the moron who keeps voting Democrat."
19 posted on 02/02/2004 11:41:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: xrp
the older boomers, the ones that got into good fields and into fields that paid out handsomely like teaching at retirement....they will do great...

but we younger boomers....we carry the brunt of paying for the rich elderly and the younger folk....

My hubby and I talk about how we are just a little too late for most things, and too early for others....

eg....tax cuts....why is my 18 yro not considered a child for tax purposes?.....we pay more for her now than when she was 5....

eg #2 husbands pension quartered and put in the hands of the Pension Board....just a few more yrs and he would have been able to retire fairly well off....

eg #3 SS is there now, but by the time we get there, we won't be able to "get" there.....

so I don't want to hear about any Xer's or Yer's complaints.....its actually worse for my age group as far as taxes and benefits....

20 posted on 02/02/2004 11:45:43 PM PST by cherry
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