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Under US pressure, Pakistan moves Kashmir terror camps to Gilgit
Express India ^ | January 29, 2004

Posted on 01/29/2004 3:31:30 PM PST by Prodigal Son

New Delhi, January 29: After assurance to India that it will not allow its soil to be used as "terrorist" breeding ground, Pakistan has, under US pressure, shifted all militant camps to Gilgit where no ordinary Kashmiri had any access, claims a Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir (PoK) leader.

"Pakistan establishment has merged several of these camps and moved them away from periphery of Muzzafarabad and other areas in PoK," says Shazia Ghulam Din, daughter-in-law of JKLF founder Maqbool Bhatt.

Shazia, whose husband Showkat Bhat formed an All Parties National Alliance, said the militant camps located in PoK had been moved away right now under United States pressure.

"I think they have been shifted to Gilgit and Baltistan areas and no Kashmiri or ordinary Pakistani has the right to visit these places," Shazia, who is in the capital now, said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: india; kashmir; pakistan; southasia

1 posted on 01/29/2004 3:31:31 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Dog; Coop
Another item you gentlemen might be interested in.
2 posted on 01/29/2004 3:32:10 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son; Angelus Errare; swarthyguy; Boot Hill
Thanks..
3 posted on 01/29/2004 3:37:11 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dog
"It's Kashmir terrorist hunting season, shoot 'em, shoot 'em" (from a bugs/daffy cartoon)
4 posted on 01/29/2004 3:52:07 PM PST by princess leah
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To: Dog
Gilgit, along with nearby Baltistan, rumored to be one of the hideaways of Osama over the past two years.

Predominantly Shiite and before Partition, with Hindus and Buddhists, homeland of the Ismaili sect - (Aga Khan) , more tolerant and openminded. And since Zia AlHaq's reign in the 80's, reports of ethnic cleansing by Sunnis have bubbled up; also reports of a stronger more brutal wave of shiite cleansing by AQTalib types through the 90's.

Now considered an ISI enclave, old Hindu and Buddhist temples and Shiite shrines destroyed, men and boys massacred, leaving a nice amount of women to be wives for the jihadis. Pictures of the valleys and mountains show idyllic panoramas.

IMO, this was the region = large pines, steep, rocky valleys shown in the Osama Zawahiri videtape hiking through the mountains.
5 posted on 01/29/2004 4:53:40 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Prodigal Son; Dog
There was this part of the report after the ad.


She said that the large presence of foreign mercenaries in PoK had created major social problems for the locals and the world community would come to know about the real situation there once the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service is launched.

Terming the jihadis as 'fasadis' (trouble-mongers), Shazia said "large number of mercenaries from Afghanistan, Pakistan and other Muslim countries have invaded the rich cultural heritage and history of Kashmir in PoK."

Shazia, who was here in connection with the world social forum meet, said that, "If the bus service between Srinagar and Muzzafarabad is launched, it would be an eye-opener for the people in PoK."



6 posted on 01/29/2004 5:11:07 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Dog; swarthyguy; Coop
Thanks, Dog.

This looks like a further example of Musharraf ratcheting up his own war on terror. And once again we see U.S. fingerprints on the operation.

"Pakistan has...shifted all militant camps to Gilgit where no ordinary Kashmiri had any access."

LOL, no ordinary access in deed! Check out this map of Pakistan. Gilgit is up in the far northeast corner. While this is not a topo map, take my word for it, the mountains surrounding Gilgit are over 25,000 feet high! Even the valleys up there are around 9,000 feet high! In Gilgit, the terrorists will be busier than a one armed paper hanger, just trying to stay warm and fed!

Great reference map of Pakistan

--Boot Hill

7 posted on 01/29/2004 7:12:32 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
LOL, no ordinary access in deed! Check out this map of Pakistan. Gilgit is up in the far northeast corner. While this is not a topo map, take my word for it, the mountains surrounding Gilgit are over 25,000 feet high! Even the valleys up there are around 9,000 feet high! In Gilgit, the terrorists will be busier than a one armed paper hanger, just trying to stay warm and fed!

In November 1987, I entered Pakistan overland by bus from China. We came over the Karakoram Pass and then down, first to Karimabad then to Gilgit. The highway passed quite near K2 (just under 29000 ft.) and many other massive peaks. It was stunning country and people were quite friendly at the time. I spent about five weeks altogether in Pakistan on that trip and had a fantastic time! Almost no hassles from anyone. Now, having seen what has gone on in these parts over the last 2+ years, I think back on hitchiking around those mountains with a backpack and just shake my head! I'm glad I did it then because I strongly doubt I'll ever again set foot in that country.

8 posted on 01/29/2004 9:22:27 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
"I entered Pakistan overland by bus from China. We came over the Karakoram Pass and then down, first to Karimabad then to Gilgit."

Wow, what a trip, now that's adventure!!!! Where you just bumming around the that part of the world, or did you have a purpose in mind?

--Boot Hill

9 posted on 01/30/2004 12:37:10 AM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill; rogue yam
Rogue was taking the bus to a special "training camp," along with other fellow Muslims. :-)

So just what was in that backpack of yours?

10 posted on 01/30/2004 5:00:14 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: rogue yam
Sounds like an awesome excursion, especially along the Karakoram.

I've taken a bus ride from Leh, Ladakh in Kashmir to Srinagar.

A friend of mine in 1977 took a bus from Italy to Belgrade, across Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan to New Delhi. The last year one could do that before the whole area started to burn.
11 posted on 01/30/2004 10:19:14 AM PST by swarthyguy
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Where you just bumming around that part of the world, or did you have a purpose in mind?

Well, the purpose I had in mind was to bum around that part of the world. I was in my mid-twenties. Unmarried, no ties. Had a few bucks in the bank from working too much in Silicon Valley. Let my apartment go. Sold or stored all my stuff except a backpack full of clothes and some basic traveling supplies. Bought a one-way ticket to Beijing and then spent a year traveling overland around Asia. China-> Tibet-> NW China-> Pakistan-> India-> Nepal-> India-> Thailand-> Phillipines and then back home. Saw some stuff, alright!

Rogue was taking the bus to a special "training camp," along with other fellow Muslims.

Well, I’m not Muslim but I did see some special assemblages of various sorts. This was at the time when the USSR invasion of Afghanistan was at its peak and there were huge numbers of Afghan refugees in northwest Pakistan. I’ve got lots of stories. I met some mujahadeen and also saw some rather intense-looking American and British men dealing for weapons in the gun markets of Dir.

So just what was in that backpack of yours?

Just a bunch of ratty clothes. At the time the idea that anyone American, etc. would genuinely take the side of the mujahadeen was unthinkable to me. You had to see them. They were definitely “other.” I did meet an American who was there for the dope. Kinda funny, really. Sort of on the “High Times” tour. Whatever...

Sounds like an awesome excursion, especially along the Karakoram.

The drive down from near the China/Pak border to Karimabad was unbelievable. It was like some sort of bizarre twisted theme-park ride! Astounding scenery, horribly steep and narrow road with a crappy surface and no guardrails along absolutely sheer cliffs dropping down thousands of feet, a colorful but entirely unroadworthy bus, and an obnoxious driver who had been up all night the night before drinking crappy Chinese liquor (available at the border but forbidden elsewhere in Pakistan) and harrassing the women among the Westerners. I’m glad I lived to tell.

A friend of mine in 1977 took a bus from Italy to Belgrade, across Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan to New Delhi. The last year one could do that before the whole area started to burn.

While in Asia that year I met a number of travellers who had been doing the bum-around-Asia thing periodically (or in some cases constantly) since the 60s or 70s. They had some great stories. It was still plenty wild and woolly when I was there. In Lahore we joined a bus and truck caravan that crossed over to New Delhi. This was a sensitive arrangement. Just before we embarked, our caravan was joined by two young Swedes in a beat-up diesel Peugot that they had driven there from Amsterdam. It had “Boys from Sverige” scrawled across the doors. They were a hoot! They had just driven through whatever. Their attitude was “Hey, we’re neutral!”

That year’s trip was the coolest, smartest thing I ever did. It cost a total of about $7500 and for a year it was just one thing after another. Changed me for life, it did.

12 posted on 02/01/2004 3:37:19 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Thanks for that response. That was really worth reading. I thought I'd gotten myself in to some really bizarre adventures in my youth, but mine pale compared to yours. Your story make me want to start traveling again!

--Boot Hill

13 posted on 02/01/2004 3:58:42 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: rogue yam
I loved the busdrivers in Ladakh; BALD tires, landslides and a shrine consisting of Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and Muslim pictures/words in each bus.

It was disconcerting to see pictures of Khomeini in Shia areas of Kashmir but what a place. Mystical Buddhist mountaintop monasteries with gold statues of the Buddha carried on backs over from TibetChina......

Impossible to even come close nowadays.
14 posted on 02/02/2004 9:23:09 AM PST by swarthyguy
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