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A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

Posted on 01/12/2004 9:37:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe

The President's Speech on Immigration Reform given on January 7th, 2004 has many far reaching proposals which if enacted into law, will shape the future of America for generations to come.

It is the first such immigration reform initiative by any president since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to illegal immigrants living in the United States in 1986.

President Bush's immigration reform initiative would provide immediate and significant legal protections and rights for any illegal immigrants now living in the United States providing they inform the government of their presence here by legally registering it with the .

Significant benefits and privileges, including an opportunity for U.S. citizenship, would be granted to these immigrants as a result of their cooperation.

Since at least ten million illegal immigrants already living in the United States are eligible for the president's proposal, and since deporting that large of a population back to their home countries is largely considered physically impractical, this solution is seen as the "best-case" solution to the immigration problem by many Americans.

Also embedded into the president's proposal are far reaching changes that are considered by many Americans to be "giving away the farm." The cost of absorbing millions of illegal immigrants all at once and the impact and precedent it could create for future illegal immigrations are believed by many other Americans to far outweigh the benefits of legitimizing these millions of immigrants.

The political, economic, and social impact of President Bush's initiatives will affect the United States for at least the remainder of the 21st Century.

The crisis of illegal immigration affects each and every American, and the longer the crisis goes unanswered, the worse it will become.

It is for this reason that the nation must now put their differences aside and work together for the combined good of all Americans, from all walks of life, and from all political and economic persuasions.

Current FR link reference on President Bush's Immigration Reform Initiative will be update on a regular basis.

President George W. Bush's speech on immigration delivered on Jan. 7, 2004 follows:


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To: All
Border Patrol catches, then releases, illegals

201 posted on 02/02/2004 1:06:54 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: All
For FREEPERS Voting in Republican Primaries tommorrow, PLEASE write in TOM TANCREDO for PRESIDENT

202 posted on 02/02/2004 10:21:03 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: All
Wake Up And Smell The Coffee - THE GOP IS MAD AS HELL OVER THE MIGRANT INVASION!

203 posted on 02/07/2004 8:34:40 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; Pro-Bush; B4Ranch; ...

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
February 16, 2001

Joint Statement by President George Bush and President Vicente Fox Towards a Partnership for Prosperity
The Guanajuato Proposal

We met today at Rancho San Cristobal, in Guanajuato, in a dialogue of friends and neighbors to agree on important goals and principles that will govern relations between our two countries.

We are united, as never before, by values and interests that cover the entire span of our rich and broad relationship.  That relationship is grounded in our respect for democracy and human rights, not just for ourselves but for all people in every nation.  We share a fundamental commitment to free trade as an engine of economic growth and development that leaves nobody behind.  And, we are committed to ensuring the rule of law, the framework on which our people's freedom and prosperity depends. This common outlook is the basis for a full, mature, and equitable partnership for prosperity.

Among our highest priorities is unfettering the economic potential of every citizen, so each may contribute fully to narrowing the economic gaps between and within our societies.  We acknowledge the dynamism achieved through NAFTA, which has ushered in dramatic increases in trade that have transformed our economic relationship.  After consultation with our Canadian partners, we will strive to consolidate a North American economic community whose benefits reach the lesser-developed areas of the region and extend to the most vulnerable social groups in our countries.  To this end, we support policies that result in sound fiscal accounts, low inflation, and strong financial systems.

Migration is one of the major ties that bind our societies.  It is important that our policies reflect our values and needs, and that we achieve progress in dealing with this phenomenon.   We believe that Mexico should make the most of the skills and productivity of their workers at home, and we agree there should be an orderly framework for migration which ensures humane treatment, legal security, and dignified labor conditions. For this purpose, we are instructing our Governments to engage, at the earliest opportunity, in formal high-level negotiations aimed at achieving short and long-term agreements that will allow us to constructively address migration and labor issues between our two countries.  This effort will be chaired by the Secretary of State and the Attorney General of the U.S. and the Secretary of Foreign Relations and the Secretary of the Interior of Mexico.

We attach the utmost importance to issues affecting the quality of life along our common border.  We shall work for the economic and social development of our border communities, fight violence and strive to create a safe and orderly environment.  We will form a new high-level working group under the auspices of the Binational Commission to identify specific steps each country can take to improve the efficiency of border operations. We will begin immediate discussions to implement the NAFTA panel decision on trucking.

Drug trafficking, drug abuse, and organized crime are major threats to the well-being of our societies.  To combat this threat, we must strengthen our respective law enforcement strategies and institutions, as well as develop closer and more trusting bilateral and multilateral cooperation.  We want to reduce the demand for drugs and eliminate narcotrafficking organizations.  To this end, we will undertake immediate steps to review law enforcement policies and coordination efforts in accordance with each country's national jurisdiction.  We will consult with our NAFTA partner Canada regarding development of a North American approach to the important issue of energy resources.  Building on the strength of our respective cultures, we will seek to expand our partnership broadly in ways that help secure a better future for our people.  Education is a key to that future; we will increase exchanges and internships that help develop human capital and promote respect for each other's rich cultural heritage.  We will seek new cooperation in science, technology, and the environment, on which much of our economic progress and our people's well-being will depend. Beyond the bilateral agenda, our two Governments are also ready to discuss regional and hemispheric issues important to both our nations.  The Summit of the Americas, to be held in April in Quebec City, will provide a valuable forum in which the hemisphere's democracies can address and advance shared goals of strengthening democratic institutions and stimulating economic prosperity through free trade and education.  We reaffirm our support for the creation of a Free Trade Area of the Americas as soon as possible.

We believe our two nations can now build an authentic partnership for prosperity, based on shared democratic values and open dialogue that bring great benefits to our people.  We want to move beyond the limitations of the past and boldly seize the unprecedented opportunity before us.  In order to achieve these goals and follow up on the commitments we made today, we have agreed to meet frequently, as necessary, over the course of our respective terms of office.  We will do so as friends, in a spirit of mutual trust and respect.

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204 posted on 02/08/2004 4:22:27 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: PRND21
Many that do live in those areas don't understand your fear and anger.

Then they must be oblivious to the issue.

205 posted on 02/08/2004 7:33:57 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
Not all men are created equal. ;)
206 posted on 02/08/2004 10:04:05 PM PST by PRND21
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To: All
The New Face of the Silicon Age

207 posted on 02/09/2004 5:59:12 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: All
 
The Return Of The Giant Sucking Sound
      Posted by Mikey to Happy2BMe
On News/Activism 02/09/2004 7:26:24 AM PST #269 of 273

"This phenomenon didn't really catch the attention of a majority of Americans who were being affected by the loss of jobs until the "white-collar" jobs"

Kind of reminds one of this;

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Rev. Martin Neimoller, German Lutheran pastor arrested by the Gestapo in 1937.

To put a twist on it.

First they outsourced the textile workers and since I wasn't a textile worker, I didn't speak up because I didn't give a damn.

Next they started to outsource the auto workers and and since I wasn't an auto worker , I didn't speak up because I didn't give a damn.

Next they started to outsource the auto parts builders and and since I wasn't an auto parts builder , I didn't speak up because I didn't give a damn.

NOW THEY'RE OUTSOURCING MY WHITE COLLAR $250,000 JOB. MY GOD SOMEONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING. HELP ME HELP ME. BAWAAAAAAAAA.

* * * *

Apathy on the part of white collar America has created the indifference blue collar America feels towards the loss of white collar jobs.

Its a viscous circle that'll continue w/o end, unless ALL Americans start to live by a very simple rule. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."


208 posted on 02/09/2004 1:45:15 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
I find the date very telling:
February 16, 2001
209 posted on 02/09/2004 2:47:59 PM PST by JustPiper (Al-Qaeda has no return address - Close Our Borders !!!)
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Campaign Finance Law A 'Baby Step'-Campaign Finance Reform Thread - Day 60

210 posted on 02/09/2004 2:52:33 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: Happy2BMe
If we take a step back and look at this Mexican/Hispanic (it's the rest of the hemisphere, too, Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc.) migration dispassionately...hard to do, but I'm trying...what's going on is like a bunch of kids with their noses pressed to the candy store window. Inside, they see everything they want in life...thanks to worldwide TV and computers, Hollywood movies, the rest of the world has its nose pressed to that American candy store window. They all want a better life, our standard of living, our individual freedoms...they want to be Americans (even the Euroweenies, only they won't admit it). They want instant change, immediate gratification, and when that isn't forthcoming, they're eaten up with anger and jealousy. Instead of working to change things for the better in their own countries, they decide, willy nilly, to come here. So we had the story more than a year ago of several thousand Costa Ricans, fed up with hurricanes, poverty, corruption, and lousy lives, heading north, on foot. Well, guess what? They're here, and they're not going back. Our problem is we're that country, that candyland of plenty and peace on the other side of that window. We're irresistible, and realistically what can we do to solve this problem for good? Put up walls, barricades? Line our borders with troops, etc.? Or try and lift the standard of living in the rest of the hemisphere, so everyone will stay home...well, that's what we've been trying, and it has meant the end of US manufacturing jobs, other union jobs, now white collar jobs, outsourcing, etc.. We're expected to invent new products to sell the rest of the world, and to retrain our work force in the meantime. Plus, provide for those in this country who can't or won't support themselves, plus everyone else who heads north. We're expected to run the economy and all this on digital tv and cell phones? That won't do it. We need something else that business can't outsource. Sorry, I got going on two problems, but they're related. I'm going to go back to my kitchen sink and work on cold fusion. That might just do it.
211 posted on 02/09/2004 4:55:55 PM PST by hershey
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To: All; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; Pro-Bush; ...
Testimony
United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
Evaluating a Temporary Guest Worker Proposal
February 12, 2004


Dr. Vernon Briggs
Professor of Industrial and Labor Relations , Cornell University


Testimony before the Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security of the
Judiciary Committee of the U.S. Senate, February 5, 2004, Washington D.C.

Guestworker Programs for Low-Skilled Workers:
Lessons from the Past and Warnings for the Future

Vernon M. Briggs, Jr.
Cornell University

Immigration policy is mine field of controversial issues. Programs to legally permit low skilled foreign nationals to work in the same labor market as U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens are among the most explosive. Because such endeavors have been undertaken in the past, they have a track record. They have been the subject of extensive research. There is no need to speculate about what might happen if any new such venture-- such as that proposed by the Bush Administration on January 7 , 2004--were to be enacted. The outcome can be predicted.

The Traditional Role
The origin of guestworker policy in the United States and its historic role has been as a national emergency program. During World Wars I and II as well as the Korean Conflict, extensive reliance was made of such endeavors. Guestworker programs were included among other extreme policies such as wage and price controls and the relaxing of antitrust laws used by policymakers during times of national peril. They are extraordinary policies to be used as a last resort—and then only as temporary measures. Unlike the other extreme measures that were quickly abandoned after the wars were over, however, guestworker programs have proven to be difficult to end. Starting such programs has always been far easier than stopping them. Moreover, they all had unintended negative consequences that must be included in any assessement of such programs.

The First Bracero Program. Only months after Congress enacted the most restrictive immigration legislation it had ever adopted up until that time --the Immigration Act of 1917, the first publicly sanctioned foreign-worker program was initiated. Responding to strong pressure from agricultural growers of the Southwest, the Immigration Act of 1917 contained a provision granting entry to “temporary” workers from Western Hemisphere nations who would otherwise be considered inadmissible. The Secretary of Labor was authorized to exempt such persons (in this instance, Mexicans) from the ban on immigrants over the age of sixteen who could not read. In May 1917, with the nation officially at war with Germany, a temporary farmworker program for unskilled Mexican workers was created. It was later expanded to permit the employment of some of these laborers in nonfarm work. When the program was announced, a number of rules and regulations were set forth. Ostensibly, these rules were designed to protect both citizen workers and Mexican workers and to ensure that the Mexicans returned to their country when their work was completed. As soon became apparent, however, “these elaborate rules were unenforced.”
This temporary-worker program was established during World War I .The war ended in 1918, but the program was extended until 1922. In later years the program came to be referred to as “the first bracero program.” The term bracero is a corruption of the Spanish word brazo, which means “arm.” (Literally, the term means “one who works with his arms.”) The program was terminated in 1922 because it could no longer be justified as a national defense policy. Organized labor contended that the program had undermined the economic welfare of citizen workers. Other critics argued that labor shortages no longer existed in the and but greedy employers wanted the program to continue so that they could continue tota a cheap source of docile workers. During the life span of the program, 76,862 Mexican workers were admitted to the United States. Of this number only 34,922 returned to Mexico. Thus, the program spawned
illegal immigration.

The Mexican Labor Program. With the advent of World War II, the military manpower requirements of the United States and the related need for laborers in manufacturing led to assertions that another labor shortage existed in the nation’s agricultural sector. Growers in the Southwest had foreseen these developments before the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. They had made two fateful decisions: first to again tap the pool of cheap labor in Mexico in order to fill the alleged manpower deficit; and second, to ask the federal government to again serve as the vehicle of deliverance. The initial request in 1941 for the establishment of a new contract labor program was denied but by mid-1942 the federal government had come to favor the program. The government of Mexico, however, balked at the prospect. In the 1940s the Mexican economy was flourishing. Mexican workers feared that they might be drafted if they went to the United States; they had bitter memories of the efforts to “repatriate” Mexicans in the 1930s; and they were aware of the discriminatory treatment accorded people of Mexican ancestry throughout much of the American Southwest..
Negotiations between the two governments ultimately resulted in a formal agreement. In August 1942 the Mexican Labor Program--more commonly-known as the bracero program --was created by the U.S. Congress. Originally included within an omnibus appropriations bill known as Public Law 45 (P.L. 45), this program was extended by subsequent enactments until 1947. According to P.L. 45, braceros were permitted to work only in the agricultural sector. If they were found working in any other industry, they were subject to immediate deportation. Although the agreement expired on December 31, 1947, it continued informally and without regulation until 1951. In that year, under the guise of labor shortage caused by the Korean conflict, bracero concept was officially revived by P.L.78. This legislation was extended on three separate occasions until the program was unilaterally terminated by the United States on December 31, 1964.
Under P.L. 78, originally only Mexican workers could be hired. Their numbers varied each year but averaged several hundred thousand workers. Its biggest year was in 1959 when 439 thousand braceros were employed. Employers were required to pay the prevailing agriculture wage, provide free housing, provide adequate meals at a reasonable charge, and pay all transportation cost from government reception centers near the border to the work site. As in the earlier bracero program, these requirements often were not met. Braceros were exempt from U.S. social security and income taxes, which meant that they received more income than a citizen worker employed at the identical wage rate.
In Mexico, the federal government determined the actual allocation process by which workers would be selected from the various states. The state governments in turn made similar decisions for their cities and other political subdivisions. Nevertheless, there were many more applicants than job openings in every designated labor market where recruitment occurred. Corruption in the allocation process soon became widespread at the local level. Potential workers often were forced to pay a mordida (a bribe; literally, “a bite”) if they wished to be chosen.
The bracero program of demonstrated precisely how border labor policies can adversely affect citizen workers in the United States. Agricultural employment in the Southwest was virtually removed from competition with the nonagricultural sector. The availability of Mexican workers significantly depressed existing wage levels in some regions, moderated wage increase that would have occurred in their absence, and sharply compressed the duration of employment (i.e., income earning opportunities) for many citizen farmworkers.
In its thorough report on the bracero program in 1952, President Truman’s Comission on Migratory Labor found that “wages by States [for agricultural workers] were inversely related to the supply of alien labor.” Citizen farmworkers in the Southwest simply could not compete with braceros. The fact that braceros were captive workers who were totally subject to the unilateral demands of employers made them especially appealing to many employers. It also led to extensive charges of abuse of workers by employers as most of the provisions for the protection of braceros’ wage rates and working conditions were either ignored or circumvented. Moreover, the bracero program was a significant factor in the rapid exodus of rural Mexican Americans between 1950 and 1970 to urban labor markets, where employment and housing often were difficulty to find.
The drive to repeal Public Law 78 was led by the AFL-CIO, various Mexican American groups, and an array of other community organizations generally concerned with the welfare of low-income workers. The Kennedy administration, which came into office in 1961, did not initially support repeal of the program. Instead, it sought significant amendments to the law which were designed to strengthen the protection of domestic workers from the adverse effects of the program. In mid-1961 the Department of Labor began setting an “adverse effect wage rate” for each state. These were minimum wage rates that the department determined had to be paid to prevent braceros from undercutting the wages of citizen agricultural workers. In most cases, the adverse –effect wage rates were actually higher than the prevailing wages. They had to be offered to citizen workers if the agricultural employer also intended to hire foreign workers. Under these terms, the bracero program became much less attractive to employers. The bitter political struggle ended in 1963 when the program was extended for one more year with the understanding that it would not be renewed after December 31, 1964. This was 22 years after it had been started. Ending the formal program did not stop its consequences as thousands of former braceros continued to come and seek jobs in southwestern agriculture, albeit as illegal immigrants.

The British West Indies Labor Program. Following the precedent of the Mexican Labor Program, the U.S. government established a similar nonimmigrant program to recruit workers from the British West Indies (Jamaican, the Bahamas, St. Lucia, St. Vincent, Dominica, and Barbados). A intergovernmental agreement was signed in April 1943 pertaining to the supply of agricultural workers. The agreement became the British West Indies (BWI) Program. The BWI program was established in response to concerns voiced by employers along the U.S. East Coast that they , too, were experiencing wartime manpower shortages. Because many of the potential BWI workers spoke English, they offered an advantage to employers over the Mexican workers recruited for the bracero program. Like the bracero program, BWI was formalized on the basis of P.L. 45 and was operative from 1943 through 1947. In terms of aggregate number – about 19,000 workers a year -- the BWI program was small compared to the bracero program. But its impact was substantial in the particular agricultural labor markets where these workers were employed. Of the eleven East Coast states that participated in the program, Florida was by far the largest recipient. During the actual war years, BWI recruits were also permitted to work in the nonagricultural sector.
During the years 1947-1952, the BWI program was converted into a temporary-worker program, as allowed under the provisions of the Immigration Act of 1917. Tripartite contracts were drawn up between US employers, the foreign workers, and the governments of the participating nations of the West Indies. The US government was not a direct participant. Travel and recruitment expenses were paid entirely by US employers, and the workers who were recruited were employed only in agriculture.
A review of the BWI program by the President’s Commission on Migratory Labor in 1951 led to condemnation of the administration of the program. The Commission attacked the lack of “vigilance for the protection of living and working standards” of these workers.
During the legislative debate over the continuation of the Mexican Labor Program in 1951, East cost employers -- especially those in Florida -- specifically requested that BWI workers not be included in the legislation. The language of the bill was changed and only “agricultural workers from the Republic of Mexico” were included. The East Coast employers preferred to keep the BWI program as it was, and hence the program continued to function according to the provisions of the Immigration Act of 1917.


The Non-Traditional Role

The vastness and complexity of the U.S. labor market has also, on occasions, led to the use of guestworker programs for low skilled workers during peace times under certain circumstances. There are sometimes spot shortages of labor that the normal working of a relatively free labor market cannot easily respond. These adjustment problems are normally due to geographical factors (i.e. isolated labor markets) or seasonal conditions (i.e., time limits on the duration of labor demand). But even in these seemingly logical cases, there have usually been undesirable side effects that challenge the efficacy of their replication in the future.

The H-2 Program. In 1952, the Immigration and Nationality Act was passed. Among its multiple provisions were the formal creation of the various entry categories for nonimmigrants. Among these was the H-2 program for “other temporary workers.” Initially, it was agricultural employers who made the greatest use of the program. Its height of usage was in 1969 when over 69,000 visas were issued. In the Southwest especially, the arid nature of the much of the land means that it is often not possible for farmworkers to live nearby. Hence, either migrant workers who are citizens must be hired or foreign workers be recruited to do the seasonal planting and harvesting. The program also became popular with sugarcane growers in Florida and apple growers in the Northeast who argued that the arduous work only existed for short periods of time so it as difficult to attract and hold citizen workers. But other non-agricultural workers were also sought to do various service jobs that were of “a lower status than those entering on H-1 visas” (i.e., temporary workers “of distinguished merit or ability”). In 1986 IRCA split the H-2 visa into two separate temporary visas, the H-1A for non-agricultural workers and the H-2A for agricultural workers.
Theoretically, H-2 workers can only be admitted if unemployed citizen workers cannot be found to do the work. But the entire process of testing labor market availability and the appropriate wage rate to be paid has been a never-ending source of controversy. As a result (and because of the growing availability of illegal immigrants), usage of the program has declined significantly from the peak in 1969 although usage of H-2B visas has been soaring in recent years.
H-2 programs have also been criticized for being forms of indentured servitude. The participating workers are totally dependent on their employer. They are tied to their jobs by contractual terms. For this reason it is believed that they are preferred workers by employers if they can get them.

The Virgin Island H-2 Program. In the 1950s the H-2 program was used on the U.S. Virgin Islands to allow unskilled workers from various neighboring islands to work in the agricultural and tourist industries. By the 1960, these foreign workers were being employed “for any job” on the Islands. More and more jobs ceased to be temporary so by the end of the 1960s H-2 workers accounted for almost half of the entire work force. The cost of living on the Islands is high so that citizen workers were reluctant to work for the low wages paid to the H-2 workers. Their unemployment increased dramatically. In the meantime, housing, education and social conditions worsened and the H-2 program was described as being “the biggest single problem” on the Island. As the number of H-2 workers kept increasing, there was even fear that the native born population might lose political control of their homeland. Efforts were made to stop the children of the H-2 workers from attending public schools but federal courts intervened. As the Island’s economy became dependent on H-2 workers a two tiered labor market developed. Ultimately the program was abandoned in 1975 but most H-2 workers were allowed to adjust their status to become permanent resident aliens because by this time they had put down roots in their new land.

The Guam Program The Island of Guam also made extensive use of the H-2 workers. In reality, the H-2 program ratified a practice that was already under way. Foreign workers had been recruited by defense contractors working on the rebuilding of the economy following World War II. When the H-2 program was created in 1952, many of these workers were granted this status even though that had been on Guam for many years. Before long a “triple wage system” evolved: one for “state siders”; one for native born on Guam; and the lowest wages for H-2 workers. As criticisms mounted about the H-2 workers receiving “slave wages,” the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (I.N.S.) began to phase-out the program in 1959 for non-defense sector jobs and in 1960 for defense related jobs. But there was immense criticism by employers of these attempts. Finally the U.S. Department of Labor acknowledged that employers were not complying with the H-2 provisions and that as efforts to end the program were initiated, illegal immigration soared. Ending the program was no easy feat.

The Proposed Role: To Combat Illegal Immigration

As the scale of illegal immigration was finally acknowledged as an issue of national concern the 1970s, guestworker programs were proposed as a possible remedy by several scholars as well as by some employer groups. Meanwhile, President Jimmy Carter requested the National Commission on Manpower Policy (NCMP) in August 1978 to study whether the existing H-2 provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act should be expanded as an alternative to employers (especially those in agriculture) using illegal immigrants. After lengthy study of the idea, the Commission advised the President in May 1979 that it was “strongly against” any such expansion of the H-2 program.
During this same timespan, Congress established in October 1978 the Select Commission on Immigration and Refugee Policy (SCIRP) chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh. It was requested to study all elements of the nation’s immigration and refugee policies and to make relevant recommendations for changes. The notion of creating a guestworker program as a possible remedy to illegal immigration was given intensive scrutiny but it was finally rejected.
In follow-up hearings jointly held the subcommittees on immigrants of both the Senate and the House of Representatives, Rev. Hesburgh carefully explained that:

The idea of a large temporary work program is tremendously attractive. Perhaps a better word though, would be “seductive” There is a superficial plausibility to this argument and the Commission gave it serious consideration for more than a year and a half. I can recall being very much entranced by it when I first joined the Commission. In the end, we were persuaded, after much study, that it would be a mistake to launch such a program.

He elaborated the reasons for its rejection as follows:
1. A large temporary worker program “would have to have some limits which would have to be enforced. It wouldn’t be a completely open program.” Who would be eligible? What kind of jobs can they hold? How long can they stay? Can they renew their participation? Who is going to enforce these terms and how capable would such a body be to perform these tasks?
2. “It is difficult to turn off such a program once it gets started.”
3. “A large program would build a dependency on foreign labor in certain sectors of the economy.”
4. “Certain jobs would be identified with foreigners”, which would effectively stigmatize such jobs.
5. “A second class of aliens would be established in our countries who are not fully protected by the law and its entitlements and who could not participate effectively in mainstream institutions.”
6. Without the strict enforcement of employers sanctions against hiring other illegal immigrants elsewhere in the economy, a temporary worker program “would stimulate new migration pressures in the long run, and again we have the specter of law disrespected as we have now.”

In summing up, he concluded:

“We do not think it wise to propose a program with potentially harmful consequences to the United States as a whole.

Responding to the SCIRP report, the Reagan Administration accepted to wisdom of most of its conclusion but it proposed “an experimental temporary worker program for Mexican nationals” be included in the reform legislation and, if it proved feasible, it be expanded significantly in scale.

When Congress took up immigration reform in 1982, the sponsors of the orginal bill (Senator Alan Simpson and Representative Romano Mazzoli) did not include a temporary worker program. It did propose liberalizing the existing H-2 program (which did not have any ceiling on the number of workers who could be admitted). Over the ensuring five years as the various version of what would become the Immigration Reform and Control Act worked its way though the legislative process, no issue proved to be more difficult or controversial then efforts to add a guestworker program for the agricultural working to the bill. Numerous efforts were made. Indeed, after failing to be pass Congress in 1982 and 1984 it appeared that the legislation would die in 1986 for this very reason. It was only after an extremely controversial amendment was offered by Rep. Charles Schumer that eventually would give permanent resident alien status (i.e. a greencard) to any person who could prove he/she had worked in perishable agriculture for 90 days between May 1, 1985 and May 1, 1986. It was, in reality a second amnesty to the general amnesty provided for elsewhere in the legislation. The provision set off a firestorm of protest but it was given a debate rule that prohibited any changes in this particular provision to be made on the House floor. Representatives opposed to the compromise had only one choice: kill the whole reforms package or accept this amendment as it is. It was not the first time that such debate restrictions have been attached to a controversial bill but it is certainly a tactic that undermines public confidence in the legislative process. The idea could not withstand a vote on its own merits. Despite such criticism, the amendment enabled IRCA to be passed and signed into law by President Reagan in 1986. As a consequence, this adjustment program—known as the Special Agricultural Workers program (SAW)—led to 1.2 million persons applying for its adjustment of status benefits. Of these 997 thousand applications were approved. The number of applicants far exceeded anyone’s estimation of the number who would be eligible. The explanation for the excess in applicants was the widespread usage of fraudulent documents that were used to claim eligibly. Indeed the N.Y. Times described the SAW program as being “one of the most extensive immigration frauds ever perpetuated against the U.S. government.”


Because of concern about what the impact of IRCA might be on the agricultural industry, IRCA contained provisions to create the Commission on Agricultural Workers (CAW) in 1986. It was chaired Henry Voss, the Director of the California Department of Food and Agriculture. Despite being disproportionately composed of agricultural industry representative, the final report of CAW was remarkably frank. After 6 years of study, it described a story whereby the living and working conditions of farmworkers had shown little if any improvement due largely to the continuing influx of illegal immigrants. It boldly stated that “there is a general oversupply of farm labor nationwide” due to the fact that “unauthorized migrants continue to cross the southern border in large numbers.” It noted:

The surplus of labor in most areas militates against improvements in wages and working conditions for seasonal agricultural employees… Illegal immigration has a negative effect on workers who are faced with increasing job competition and employers who are concerned about their continuing access to a legal labor supply.

The report stated that “employer sanctions have been ineffective” with fraudulent documents being the major cause for their failure. Based on the experience of the industry with SAW, the report concluded that “worker-specific and/or industry-specific legalization programs as contained in IRCA should not be the basis of future immigration policy.”

Within three years of the passage of IRCA, it was clear that the legislation had not succeeded in its efforts to stop illegal immigration. Employer sanctions, which was the “centerpiece” of the deterrent measures, were being circumvented by the use of fraudulent documents and by inadequate enforcement personnel and funds. Congress, rather than address there inadequacies, ignored the issue in 1990 when it passed the Immigration Act of 1990 that dramatically increased the annual level of legal immigration to the country based on the assumption that the “back door” of illegal immigration had been close. The premise was, of course, false. This legislation did, however, create another bipartisan commission to study the nation’s immigration system. It was given seven years (six in reality) to conduct its investigation
It was the Commission on Immigration Reform (CIR) and was chaired for most of its life by the late Barbara Jordan. CIR identified illegal immigration as the most pressing problem confronting the nation’s immigration policy and recommended a number of policy changes. But with regard to guestworker programs, it adamantly rejected any notion that they be viewed as part of any solution. In its final report, CIR stated that it “remains opposed to implementation of a large scale program for temporary admission of lesser skilled and unskilled workers” and it went on to say specifically that “a guestworker program would be a grevious mistake.” The Commission stated in unequivocal terms the reasons for its conclusions:

1. “Guestworker programs have depressed wages.”
2. Those whose wages are most adversely affected are “unskilled American workers, including recent immigrants who may have originally entered to perform needed labor but who can be displaced by newly entering guestworkers.”
3. “ Foreign guestworkers often are more exploitable than a lawful U.S. worker, particularlywhen an employer threatens deportation if workers complain about wages or working conditions.”
4. “The presence of large numbers of guestworkers in particular localities--such as rural counties with agricultural interests--presents substantial costs in housing, healthcare, social services, schooling and basic infrastructure that are borne by the broader community and even by the federal government rather than by the employers who benefit from inexpensive labor.”
5. “Guestworker programs also fail to reduce unauthorized migration.” [because] “they tend to encourage and exacerbate illegal movements that persist long after the guest programs end.” …[and] … “guestworkers themselves often remain permanently and illegally in the country in violation of the conditions of their admission.”

Concluding Observations

The reason for this lengthy statement is to document the mountainous hurdle of opposition that confronts anyone advocating any form of temporary worker program for foreign nationals presently outside the country or for illegal immigrants already in the country. The actual program experience of the past as well as the wise counsel of the distinguished Americans who served on the host of national commissions cited in this testimony that have intensively studied these endeavors all warn in the starkest of terms against pursuing such programs. I know of no other element of immigration policy in which the message not to do something is so unequivocal.
The heart of the problem is that guestworker programs seek to reconcile two sharply conflicting goals: the need to protect citizen workers from the competition of foreign workers who are willing to work for wages and in conditions that few citizens would tolerate versus the wishes of some employers who rely on labor intensive production and service techniques to secure a plentiful supply of low cost workers. In addition, there are always unforeseen side effects that harm the wider society.

With 34 million low-wage workers in the current civilian labor force, the problem to confront is not a shortage of low skilled workers; it is the oversupply of from 9-12 million illegal immigrants that needs to be addressed. Getting illegal immigrants out of the labor force should be the first order of business for policymakers. Neither guestworker programs or amnesties of any kind should be part of the necessary efforts to end this labor market nightmare. Guestworker programs do nothing to stop further illegal immigration and, in fact, they serve to condone past illegal conduct. It is illegal immigration that must be stopped!

Except in national emergencies, guestworker programs are bad public policy. They may meet the short terms pleas of private interest groups, but they can never meet the higher standard of being public policies that serve the national interest.


United States Senate

212 posted on 02/21/2004 6:12:25 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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Also embedded into the president's proposal are far reaching changes that are considered by many Americans to be "giving away the farm." The cost of absorbing millions of illegal immigrants all at once and the impact and precedent it could create for future illegal immigrations are believed by many other Americans to far outweigh the benefits of legitimizing these millions of immigrants.

Mind if I quote you on this statement, "babble babble babble, HYPERBOYLE, babble babble babble, nonsense"... I think this sums up what you are saying, don't you?

213 posted on 02/21/2004 6:16:20 PM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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The day hell froze over . .

U.S., Mexico to Tighten Border, Send Migrants Home"

214 posted on 02/21/2004 10:11:36 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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Nonimmigrant Visas

Learn the basics about visas that permit you to enter the U.S. for a short time and a specified purpose.

If you are a citizen of a foreign country who wants to come to the United States for a short period of time you must obtain a nonimmigrant visa. You must choose the specific purpose of your trip, and apply for a specialized visa authorizing that activity and no other. Each type of nonimmigrant visa is identified by a letter-number combination, as well as a name. You may already be familiar with the more popular types of nonimmigrant visas such as B-2 visitors, E-2 investors or F-1 students.

While nonimmigrant visas come in many varieties, they all have one major feature in common: they are temporary. If you travel to the United States on a nonimmigrant visa and the INS thinks you do not plan to go home, your visa will be taken away.

A nonimmigrant visa is something you can see and touch: it is a stamp placed on a page in your passport. A visa stamp cannot be issued inside the United States. You can obtain it only at a U.S. embassy or consulate in another country. Your nonimmigrant visa gives you certain privileges, the greatest of which is the right to request entry into the United States. Other privileges depend on the type of visa, but may include permission to work, study or invest money while in the United States.

Types of Nonimmigrant Visas

Nonimmigrant visas differ from each other in the kinds of privileges they offer, as well as how long they last. As mentioned earlier, every nonimmigrant visa is issued with a specific purpose in mind.

Complete List of Nonimmigrant Visas

A-1. Ambassadors, public ministers or career diplomats and their immediate family members.

A-2. Other accredited officials or employees of foreign governments and their immediate family members.

A-3. Personal attendants, servants or employees and their immediate family members of A-1 and A-2 visa holders.

B-1. Business visitors.

B-2. Visitors for tourism or medical treatment.

C-1. Foreign travelers in immediate and continuous transit through the U.S.

D-1. Crewmen who need to land temporarily in the U.S. and who will depart aboard the same ship or plane on which they arrived.

E-1. Treaty traders working for a U.S. trading company that does 50% or more of its business with the trader's home country.

E-2. Treaty investors working for a U.S. company with 50% or more of its investment capital coming from the worker's home country.

F-1. Academic or language students.

F-2. Immediate family members of F-1 visa holders.

G-1. Designated principal resident representatives of foreign governments coming to the U.S. to work for an international organization, their staff members and immediate family members.

G-2. Other accredited representatives of foreign governments coming to the U.S. to work for an international organization and their immediate family members.

G-3. Representatives of foreign government and their immediate family members who would ordinarily qualify for G-1 or G-2 visas except that their governments are not members of an international organization.

G-4. Officers or employees of international organizations and their immediate family members.

G-5. Attendants, servants and personal employees of G-1 through G-4 visa holders and their immediate family members.

H-1B. Persons working in specialty occupations requiring at least a bachelor's degree or its equivalent in on-the-job experience, and distinguished fashion models.

H-2A. Temporary agricultural workers coming to the U.S. to fill positions for which a temporary shortage of American workers has been recognized by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

H-2B. Temporary workers of various kinds coming to the U.S. to perform temporary jobs for which there is a shortage of available qualified American workers.

H-3. Temporary trainees coming for on-the-job training unavailable in their home countries.

H-4. Immediate family members of H-1, H-2 or H-3 visa holders.

I. Bona fide representatives of the foreign press coming to the U.S. to work solely in that capacity and their immediate family members.

J-1. Exchange visitors coming to the U.S. to study, work or train as part of an exchange program officially recognized by the United States Information Agency.

J-2. Immediate family members of J-1 visa holders.

K-1. Fiancés or fiancées of U.S. citizens coming to the U.S. for the purpose of getting married.

K-2. Minor, unmarried children of K-1 visa holders.

K-3. Spouses and children of U.S. citizen petitioners awaiting approval of their visa petition and the availability of an immigrant visa.

L-1. Intracompany transferees who work in positions as managers, executives or persons with specialized knowledge.

L-2. Immediate family members of L-1 visa holders.

M-1. Vocational or other nonacademic students, other than language students.

M-2. Immediate families of M-1 visa holders.

N. Children of certain special immigrants.

NATO-1, NATO-2, NATO-3, NATO-4 and NATO-5. Associates coming to the U.S. under applicable provisions of the NATO Treaty and their immediate family members.

NATO-6. Civilians accompanying military forces on missions authorized under the NATO Treaty and their immediate family members.

NATO-7. Attendants, servants or personal employees of NATO-1 through NATO-6 visas holders and their immediate family members.

O-1. Persons of extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business or athletics.

O-2. Essential support staff of O-1 visa holders.

O-3. Immediate family members of O-1 and O-2 visa holders.

P-1. Internationally recognized athletes and entertainers and their essential support staff.

P-2. Entertainers coming to perform in the U.S. through a government-recognized exchange program.

P-3. Artists and entertainers coming to the U.S. in a group for the purpose of presenting culturally unique performances.

P-4. Immediate family members of P-1, P-2 and P-3 visa holders.

Q-1. Exchange visitors coming to the U.S. to participate in international cultural-exchange programs.

Q-2. Immediate family members of Q-1 visa holders.

R-1. Ministers and other workers of recognized religions.

R-2. Immediate family members of R-1 visa holders.

S-1. People coming to the U.S. to supply critical information to federal or state authorities where it has been determined that their presence in the U.S. is essential to the success of a criminal investigation or prosecution.

S-2. People coming to the U.S. to provide critical information to federal authorities or a court, who will be in danger as a result of providing such information, and are eligible to receive a reward for the information.

S-3. Immediate family members of S-1 or S-2 visa holders.

T. Women and children who are in the United States because they are victims of trafficking, who are cooperating with law enforcement, and who fear extreme hardship (such as retribution) if returned home.

U. For people who have suffered "substantial physical or mental abuse;"e as a result of certain U.S. criminal violations including domestic violence, and are assisting law enforcement authorities.

V. Spouses and children of U.S. lawful permanent resident petitioners who have already waited three years for the approval of their visa petition or for an immigrant visa to become available.

Time Limits on Nonimmigrant Visas

Just as nonimmigrant visas vary in purpose, they also vary as to how long they last. Each nonimmigrant visa is given an expiration date according to what the law allows for that particular category. Most can also be extended a certain number of times. The number and length of these extensions also vary according to the visa category.

Keep in mind that the expiration date on your visa does not show how long you can stay in America once you arrive. It only indicates the period of time during which you have the right to enter the United States.

Determining How Long You Can Stay in the United States
When you enter the United States on a valid nonimmigrant visa, you will be given a small white or green card called an I-94 card. An INS officer will stamp the card with a date as you enter the country. That is the date by which you must leave, even if you still have a valid visa stamped in your passport when that date arrives. The date stamped in your I-94 card is determined by immigration laws that outline how long any category of nonimmigrant is allowed to stay. Students and some specialty workers are given a certificate of eligibility before they arrive in the United States.

Citizens of some countries can't get visas issued for the maximum period usually allowed by law. Countries whose citizens are frequently limited to visas with shorter expiration dates are:

Afghanistan* Liberia*
Albania Libya
Algeria Madagascar
Angola Mali
Bangladesh Mauritania
Barbados Mexico
Benin Mozambique
Bosnia-Herzegovina* Nepal
Brazil Nicaragua
Brunei Niger
Bulgaria Poland
Burundi Romania
Cape Verde Rwanda
Central African Republic San Marino
Chad Sao Tome and Principe
China Senegal
Congo* Serbia
Cuba* Sierra Leone
Cyprus Slovakia
Czech Republic Somalia
Djibouti South Africa
Equatorial Guinea South Korea
Ethiopia Sudan
Gabon Syria
Gambia Tanzania
Guinea Uganda
Guinea-Bissau United Arab Emirates
Indonesia Yemen (Aden)
Iran* Zaire
Laos Zambia
Latvia Zimbabwe

Note that citizens of countries marked with an asterisk will find it difficult to get a visa under any category.

Most visas permit multiple entries into the United States. However, some visas allow only one visit. If you hold such a visa, you may use it to enter the United States only once. When you leave, you can't return again with that same visa, even if time still remains before its expiration date.


215 posted on 02/24/2004 6:47:28 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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Threat Matrix- Daily Terror Thread

216 posted on 02/25/2004 1:09:24 AM PST by JustPiper (The fly cannot be driven away by getting angry at it)
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Fight Illegal Immigration {{{Ongoing Thread}}}

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1067401/posts?page=168,8
217 posted on 02/25/2004 1:16:03 AM PST by JustPiper (The fly cannot be driven away by getting angry at it)
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; Pro-Bush; B4Ranch; ...
* * * *

REPORT: Slavery Alive and Well in the United States

In south Florida, federal prosecutions have indicated hundreds of farmworkers were victims of human trafficking, and a forced prostitution ring identified as many as 40 young women and girls brought from Mexico. The center also cited a case of "domestic servitude" in southwest Florida.


218 posted on 02/25/2004 5:01:48 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: All; dennisw; SJackson
Slavery alive and well in Islam (Though Illegal)

219 posted on 02/25/2004 5:18:35 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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By the Wave of His Hand
My own thoughts... ^ | 02/17/05 | DoughtyOne

Posted on 02/17/2005 1:53:34 AM PST by DoughtyOne

It has been twenty years since promises were made by the federal government, to get the borders of the United States under control. Those promises were made as a part of a bargaining process. If the opposition politicians and citizens of the United States would only allow the illegal immigrant population at that time to be naturalized, the federal government would devise new laws and make sure they were enforced. The borders WOULD be brought under control.

Stiff new penalties were enacted described as withering to those who employed illegal immigrants. Some cosmetic border changes were made. The program was initiated.

In 1986 the naturalization program that was supposed to facilitate one million illegal immigrants becoming citizens, instead facilitated three hundred and fifty percent of that amount. Three and one half million illegal immigrants came forward to request citizenship. Those who favored this got their way. The slate was wiped clean. We were promised the illegal immigrant problem was solved.

Those who opposed the illegal immigrants being naturalized at that time had a number of valid objections. We stated that one million was a very low projection. We stated that naturalizing these immigrants would be rewarding those who did not respect the laws of the United States enough to obey them. We stated that this showed no respect for the nation these people were going to be swearing an oath of allegiance to. We stated that what had taken decades to achieve, the accumulation of about three million illegal immigrants, would take only a few years if this amnesty was enacted. Further, we stated that this amnesty would not stop the flow. We stated that the borders would not be enforced. We stated that businesses would not be prosecuted for employing illegal immigrants.

Those of us who have been proven right on every single count regarding the last amnesty for illegal immigrants, are not likely to agree to another. As citizens we are asked to obey the laws of our nation. As such, we have no patience for those who don’t. We have no patience for those who advocate for them either.

Over the last fifteen years, we have seen yearly illegal immigration rates cross some rather interesting thresholds. What had been a few hundred thousand crossing our borders illegally each year, progressed through five hundred thousand, one million, two million and now over three million crossings per year.

As near as anyone could tell, there were between eight and ten million illegal immigrants residing inside the United States at the 2000 Census. With illegal immigration now occurring in the numbers it is, it is very likely that we have between fifteen and twenty-two million illegal immigrants inside our nation at this moment. Within ten years that number will grow to between forty-five and sixty million people. These numbers are based on the assumption three million will continue to cross our borders each year, but it ignores the reality that between ten and fifteen million children will be born to these illegal aliens by 2015. If we take that into consideration, the total projected illegal immigration population by the year 2015, will likely reach somewhere between 55 and 75 million people.

This is the reality that some of us consider, when we object to any government guest worker programs for Mexican nationals at the present time. This is a massive problem. If we approach it by any means whatsoever, that is somewhat reminiscent of the 1986 amnesty program, the 55 to 75 million projection will error low by 2015.

There is a segment of our citizens who realize that something is very wrong with our border situation today. A subset of that segment, feels that some sort of guest worker program will fix things. Will it? A guest worker program will immediately grant legal residential status to between 15 and 22 million people. Those people will have permits to reside in the United States for three years. During those three years, they will continue to establish their lives and futures here on U.S. soil. In three years they will be able to re-up their permits. At this time, that is only supposed to be allowable one time, for an additional three years. What happens then?

At the end of the second three years, we are presently being led to believe that they will have to leave our nation. Can anyone take that promise serious? Illegal immigrants that we cannot or will not send home today, will be sent home in six years? That is really a stretch for the imagination.

Does the guest worker program show promise for stopping illegal immigration into our nation? Past history tells us that when we legitimize the residency of illegal immigrants in the United States, the flow of illegal immigrants escalates wildly. For this reason, it is a forgone conclusion, that if we start a guest worker program of any kind, illegal immigration will escalate further, right through the roof.

Nothing short of a complete moratorium on illegal immigration will prevent the 55 to 75 million illegal immigrant scenario projected above by 2015. The guest worker program will do nothing but legitimize the guest worker portion of that figure.

Ladies and gentlemen, the time has come for us to get real with regard to the massive problems that are just ahead, if we do not come to terms with what illegal immigration is doing to this nation, and stop it in it’s tracks.

I hope that you will join me in opposing any further plans to transfer the population of Mexico into the United States. It is not fair to the citizens of the United States. It is not fair to the citizens of other nations who deserve a fair equal access to the United States, on a level playing field with our neighbor to the south.

If we truly think the Mexican national deserves a break, then we should advocate our corporations band together and devise an investment program inside of Mexico, that would see grocery, supply, restaurant, resort, hotel and other concerns thrive in every nook and cranny of that nation. The employment opportunities, the increased standards of living would be a boon to the nation, and more importantly, to the Mexican national.

If we truly think business fosters business, the capitalist system works to float all boats, then why don’t our businesses open new franchises south of the border, instead of displacing American citizens north of it?

I am sorry to have to tell some people this, but nothing is going to be solved by the waving of a hand. Simply turning the massive wave of people entering this nation, into legitimate guest workers, is not going to lighten the load on our communities, schools and healthcare system.

And folks, if you think our government is going to order millions of illegal immigrants back to Mexico, taking their children out of our schools in the process, dragging them back to Mexico, so the parents can sign up for a guest worker program in the U.S., I’ll be glad to help you purchase some great coastal property in Florida that’s only under water eleven months of the years. Honest!

By saying that you buy into this impossible scenario, you further the objectives of those who want a guest worker program at any price. Please realize this is never going to be a viable proposal in the manner you’d like it to be.

FReeRepublic Thread is HERE

220 posted on 02/17/2005 8:15:25 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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