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MSNBC ^ | 01/09/2004 | Martin Wolk

Posted on 01/09/2004 3:05:21 PM PST by Whatodo

Friday’s disappointing employment report did little to derail forecasts of strong growth this year but gave fresh ammunition to critics who complain the Bush administration has failed to achieve its chief economic goal — job creation.

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The unemployment rate fell in December to 5.7 percent, its lowest level in nearly a year – but only because 309,000 people dropped out of the labor force, according to government data. Employers added a scant 1,000 jobs last month, a barely perceptible number in an economy of 130 million workers and far short of the 127,000 net new jobs analysts had been expecting. The Labor Department also revised away 51,000 jobs that had been reported in previous months.

“It’s a lousy report any way you look at it,” said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor’s Corp. “Employment has been up five months in a row, but all five months together add up to about one normal month of growth. We’re just not getting any kind of job growth despite the strength we’ve seen in GDP.”

The figures were especially disappointing considering the surge in gross domestic product that began in mid-2003 and more recent evidence of growth. Weekly claims for new unemployment benefits have fallen to their lowest level in three years, and surveys have led analysts to predict that businesses at last are boosting hiring after the long jobless recovery.

“The popular, man-in-the-street, ground-level view of the job market is that is still stinks,” said Bill Cheney, chief economist for John Hancock. “All of us forecasters were getting a bit complacent, and it turns out the man in the street was probably right.”

President Bush and others in the administration chose to focus on the improved unemployment rate, which has fallen from a peak of 6.4 percent in June.

Bush, speaking to a forum on small business, said economic indicators were “very strong” and called the drop in the unemployment rate a “positive sign.”

Labor Secretary Elaine Chao acknowledged that job creation last month was “less robust than forecasters projected” but said Bush’s economic policies are working. In a written statement, she called for congressional action on Bush’s “six-point plan” to boost employment by streamlining government regulations, limiting “excessive” lawsuits and extending tax breaks that are scheduled to expire.

Stock prices fell and bonds soared, sending market interest rates sharply lower. The weak demand for workers is keeping wage inflation in check and makes it even more likely that the Federal Reserve will not begin raising short-term interest rates until next year, analysts said.

GUIDE Key economic indicators

Click an indicator name to learn more Period Latest Prev. • Consumer Confidence Dec.* 91.3 92.5 • Retail sales Nov.* 0.9% 0.0% • GDP Q3* 8.2% 3.3% • ISM Index Dec.* 66.2 62.8 • Factory Orders Nov.* -1.4% 2.4% • Unemployment Rate Nov. 5.9% 6.0% • Employment situation Nov.* 57,000 137,000 • Consumer inflation Nov. 1.1% 1.3% • Housing starts Nov.* 2,070,000 1,980,000 • Home sales Nov.* 7,142,000 7,459,000

back to list | next CONSUMER CONFIDENCE Recent figures Dec.* 91.3 Nov. 92.5 Oct. 81.7 Sept. 77.0 Aug. 81.7 July 77.0 June 83.5 May 83.6 April 81.0 March 61.4 Feb. 64.8 Jan. 03 78.8

What is it? Consumer confidence is considered important because consumer spending accounts for more than two-thirds of U.S. economic activity. The monthly Conference Board survey is one of the two most closely watched indicators of sentiment. Based on a mail-in survey sent to about 5,000 households. Results are converted to an index and expressed in comparison to the 1985 average of 100. Source: The Conference Board

back to list | next RETAIL SALES Recent figures Nov.* 0.9% Oct. 0.0% Sept. -0.3% Aug. 1.0% July 1.4% June 0.9% May 0.5% April -0.3% March 2.3% Feb. -1.4% Jan. 03 0.4% Dec. 1.4%

What is it? A broad measure of consumer spending trends. Includes sales of motor vehicles, clothing, food at both grocery stores and restaurants, electronics, building materials drugs and other items. Expressed as a percent change from previous month, adjusted for seasonal variations but not price changes. Source: Census Bureau

back to list | next GDP Recent figures Q3* 8.2% Q2 3.3% Q1 2003 1.4% Q4 1.4% Q3 4.0% Q2 1.3% Q1 2002 5.0% Q4 2.7% Q3 -0.3% Q2 -1.6% Q1 2001 -0.6% Q4 1.1%

What is it? The gross domestic product is the broadest measure of the economy, comprising the value of all goods and services produced in the United States. It is reported quarterly with frequent revisions. Generally expressed as a percentage change from the previous quarter in "real" or inflation-adjusted terms. Economists presume real GDP is capable of growing at an annual rate of about 3.5 percent over the long term. When GDP declines over a sustained period of time the economy is considered to be in recession. Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis.

back to list | next ISM INDEX Recent figures Dec.* 66.2 Nov. 62.8 Oct. 57.0 Sept. 53.7 Aug. 54.7 July 51.8 June 49.8 May 49.4 April 45.4 March 46.2 Feb. 50.5 Jan. 03 53.9

What is it? The first major indicator reported each month, considered a reliable assessment of how the manufacturing sector is performing. Based on a survey of executives done by the Institute for Supply Management, formerly known as the National Association of Purchasing Management. Responses are compiled and reported as an index number. A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing sector is expanding, while a reading below 50 indicates it is shrinking. Source: Institute for Supply Management

back to list | next FACTORY ORDERS Recent figures Nov.* -1.4% Oct. 2.4% Sept. 1.4% Aug. -0.3% July 2.0% June 1.9% May 0.3% April -2.6% March 1.5% Feb. -0.5% Jan. 03 1.6% Dec. 0.3%

What is it? Data on new orders for manufactured goods, adjusted for seasonal variation, offer a good indicator of the manufacturing sector's health, closely watched because it is the most volatile part of the economy. Expressed as percent change from previous month. Source: Census Bureau.

back to list | next UNEMPLOYMENT RATE Recent figures Nov. 5.9% Oct. 6.0% Sept. 6.1% Aug. 6.1% July 6.2% June 6.4% May 6.1% April 6.0% March 5.8% Feb. 5.8% Jan. 03 5.7% Dec. 6.0%

What is it? One of the best known and most politically powerful economic indicators, the rate is calculated from a monthly survey among a sample of about 60,000 households. The rate is adjusted for seasonal variations, but unlike most economic statistics it is never revised. Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics.

back to list | next EMPLOYMENT SITUATION Recent figures Nov.* 57,000 Oct. 137,000 Sept. 99,000 Aug. 35,000 July -57,000 June -83,000 May -76,000 April -22,000 March -151,000 Feb. -121,000 Jan. 03 158,000 Dec. -211,000

What is it? Represents the month-to-month change in jobs on payrolls of the nation's business, government and non-profit establishments. Generally considered a more accurate indicator of labor market health than the unemployment rate. Analysts estimate the economy should add about 150,000 jobs monthly to keep up with the nation's growing work force. Based on a sample of 300,000 establishments employing nearly a third of the nation's workers, the figure is adjusted for seasonal variations and frequently revised. Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics.

back to list | next CONSUMER INFLATION Recent figures Nov. 1.1% Oct. 1.3% Sept. 1.2% Aug. 1.3% July 1.5% June 1.5% May 1.6% April 1.5% March 1.7% Feb. 1.7% Jan. 03 1.9% Dec. 1.9%

What is it? The most widely known and used measure of inflation, the Consumer Price Index is based on the price of a "basket"of goods including food, beverages, fuel, medical care and clothing. Value refers to year-over-year change in "core" prices, excluding volatile food and energy categories. Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics.

back to list | next HOUSING STARTS (seasonally adjusted annual rate) Recent figures Nov.* 2,070,000 Oct. 1,980,000 Sept. 1,931,000 Aug. 1,831,000 July 1,890,000 June 1,844,000 May 1,745,000 April 1,627,000 March 1,742,000 Feb. 1,640,000 Jan. 03 1,828,000 Dec. 1,815,000

What is it? A good indicator to assess demand for housing and construction industry health. Represents the number of new residential buildings, including single-family and multifamily homes, where construction was started. Expressed as a seasonally adjusted annual rate. Construction was started on 1.7 million new residential structures in 2002, the highest level since 1986. Source: Census Bureau.

back to list | next HOME SALES (seasonally adjusted annual rate) Recent figures Nov.* 7,142,000 Oct. 7,459,000 Sept. 7,817,000 Aug. 7,650,000 July 7,275,000 June 7,030,000 May 6,931,000 April 6,854,000 March 6,538,000 Feb. 6,795,000 Jan. 03 7,029,000 Dec. 6,973,000

What is it? One of the bright spots of the economy in recent years, driven at least in part by historically low mortgage rates. Figure represents the sum of new and existing single-family home sales, expressed as a seasonally adjusted annual rate. In 2002, a record 6.5 million homes were sold. Sources: National Association of Realtors, Census Bureau

* preliminary figures • Printable version

Critics of Bush’s economic policy, including his Democratic rivals for the presidency, were quick to pounce on the report as evidence that last year’s huge tax cut package had failed to achieve the White House’s stated goals for job growth, which called for 510,000 new jobs in 2003. The economy has lost 2.3 million jobs over the past three years including 74,000 jobs last year.

“With the recovery that we’re supposed to be in, adding 1,000 jobs is pathetic,” said Democratic hopeful Richard Gephardt, campaigning in New Hampshire. “It’s nothing short of pitiful and pathetic. This is truly a jobless recovery.”

"Democrats need issues, and this number today keeps the issue alive for them," said Greg Valliere, chief strategist for Schwab Washington Research Group. "It's probably Bush's greatest domestic vulnarability, that job growth just doesn’t pick up."

To be sure, nobody was predicting the economy was in any danger of reversing course, and some analysts suggested the latest payroll numbers may be understating the strength of the labor market, partly because of seasonal factors related to sluggish holiday hiring.

Retail employment fell by 38,000 last month, suggesting that the usual seasonal layoffs in January also will be lighter than typically seen in past years. That could result in a spike of new jobs next month, said Tony Crescenzi, chief bond market strategist at Miller Tabak & Co.

“We’re not in a downward spiral or anything like that,” agreed Cheney. “I don’t think there’s anything else that would suggest the economy is heading down again. I don’t even think the job market is heading down again.”

But he said the failure of the economy to create job raises the risk that economic models, including those used by the White House, seriously underestimate the growth rate needed to boost employment. And he said the weak job growth is likely to shake confidence and make the economy more vulnerable to an external shock.

Crescenzi and some others said the payroll numbers are failing to capture a surge in self-employment and small-business hiring that show up in the separate household survey, which is the source of the unemployment rate.

But Wyss said such structural changes are not necessarily to the benefit of workers, because they imply less job security and fewer fringe benefits.

“You can look at the payrolls or the household survey and they will give the same message -- that this recovery is still a fairly slow-motion event in terms of job creation,” said Ed McKelvey, senior economist at Goldman Sachs. “Companies are being extraordinarily careful in how many people they put on the payrolls.”

John Silvia, chief economist at Wachovia Securities, said the weak job growth is mixed news for financial markets, suggesting the consumer spending will be weaker than expected but profits could be stronger because of surprising productivity growth.

He said Democrats are justified in challenging President Bush to do more to generate job growth rather than simply cutting taxes and waiting for the business cycle to take over.

“From my personal perspective, you’ve turned the corner” from an economy that was losing jobs to one that is adding jobs, he said. “But it’s not like a Nascar race where you’ve turned the corner and are accelerating out of the turn. You’ve turned the corner and you’re still going at the same mopey speed.”


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To: Darksheare
We had a three-fer yesterday.
61 posted on 01/09/2004 6:02:48 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Democratic Party: Without an electoral mandate for almost 28 years.)
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To: wimpycat
Thanks! I'll have to wait until the next time I'm on vacation to check for trolls weekday mornings, though. LOL!
62 posted on 01/09/2004 6:45:02 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: Whatodo
What good is a high stock market if people aren't working?

Oxymoronic statement that. (No insult intended).

People have to be working if there is a high stock market.

Otherwise, there would be no stock market at all.

Welcome to FR. T'is a good place to learn something.

5.56mm

63 posted on 01/09/2004 6:54:02 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Karyn M. PhD; Admin Moderator
"why does this happen?"

It often happens when someone posts an article that is less than 100% sunshine and roses. At that point some self proclaime "Super Patriot" objects and if the poster is new, blames the poster for the material in the post. It seems that some FReepers can't handle ideas that might possibly conflict with their preconceived notions. It is similar in effect to playground bullies picking on a new boy in school.
64 posted on 01/09/2004 6:58:22 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: John Beresford Tipton
In this particular case, however, the newbie who posted this article is a known Frequent Flying Troll, not just some new kid on the block.
65 posted on 01/09/2004 7:07:17 PM PST by wimpycat ("Black holes are where God divided by zero.")
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To: John Beresford Tipton
If that is what you really think, then why are you still here? What you just said is crap. If you don't think it is, then if you had any self respect at all you would leave. If you do think it is crap, then why are you saying it?
66 posted on 01/09/2004 7:09:42 PM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: John Beresford Tipton
It's not about that at all. The vast majority of Zots are posted by (temporarily) reincarnated Freepers, who signed up (again) just minutes before posting their article. If established Freepers posted the exact same articles (in most cases), the thread would stand un-Zotted.
67 posted on 01/09/2004 7:14:22 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Whatodo
Shouldn't the question be "What Happened to the 309,000" people that dropped out of the work force. Did they find work but weren't counted in the survey by any chance...
68 posted on 01/09/2004 7:15:22 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: Whatodo
Die Troll Scum!
69 posted on 01/09/2004 7:18:53 PM PST by Preech1 (Dean...Rhymes with Mean.)
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To: Lead Moderator
The guy posted an article from a reputable source, MSNBC, and belatedly supplied the url addreess. Then a bunch of people jumped all over him. That is what happened and you are right to say it is crap.
70 posted on 01/09/2004 7:28:04 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: John Beresford Tipton
You are right. And everyone who posts reputable articles from MSNBC gets nuked. So does anyone who points it out.

We just keep you around to confuse everyone else.

Thanks, LM

71 posted on 01/09/2004 7:30:29 PM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Karyn M. PhD
"And why does this happen?"



You see, the trigger impacts the target creating a chain reaction or fusion reacion where the morons and liberals are vaporized into sub atomic DUst. Often the surviving molecules drift back to the tard board wasting bandwidth but giving the freaks in Greenwich Village something to entertain themselves with while they pray for Castro to become President of the United States. Or while the liberal nuts pray for Hillary to get elected. It's the same thing.
72 posted on 01/09/2004 7:34:37 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Deserving ain't got nothing to do with it" - William Money)
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To: John Beresford Tipton
How sad that you think this. Maybe you'd consider asking the Lead Admin to be added to the zot ping list. That way, you could see why each of the zots take place. Nearly all of them are re-generated DU zombies getting banned over and over and over and...well, you get the idea.
73 posted on 01/09/2004 7:34:53 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: chudogg
You should upgrade to my industrial strenght ZOT. -:)
74 posted on 01/09/2004 7:35:12 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Deserving ain't got nothing to do with it" - William Money)
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75 posted on 01/09/2004 7:35:26 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Whatodo
Just an anecdotal comment based upon personal observation in the Central Florida area:

Many of the "strip malls" I have observed with declining tenant occupancy are now FULL and the parking lots as well. Since the DOL stats on jobs come from the receipt of data from cooperating firms (read OLD LINE LARGE), the job stats have become increasingly a marginal indicator.

John & Jane "Six-Pack" are becoming small-scale entrepeneurs and are not even in the DOL data universe!

This is why the jobs figures obtained through the Commerce Census Bureau surveys are increasingly at variance with those of DOL's Bureau of Labor Statistics!

A point worth keeping in mind!!!

76 posted on 01/09/2004 7:41:18 PM PST by ExSES
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To: BlessedBeGod
ping!

Don't want you to feel left out so here's one for you too. LOL



ZOT!!

77 posted on 01/09/2004 7:41:23 PM PST by NRA2BFree (They know we own the guns. Now, all they've gotta do is figure out how to take them away from us!**)
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To: lonevoice
I would agree with you totally if the poster, whether from DU or anti-DU, posted something that was itself offensive. However I think it reflects poorly on FR if a post that facially appears to the public as well sourced and sincere gets zotted. It is as though FR, a site ostensibly for discussion, can't allow even if a non controversial posting if like the Green Hornet, people at FR feel they "know what evil lurks in the heart" of the poster.
78 posted on 01/09/2004 7:42:22 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: NRA2BFree
ROFL! Thanks!!! :-)
79 posted on 01/09/2004 7:44:44 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: John Beresford Tipton
Think what you want.

If you want this article to be taken seriously, go and post it yourself. It would be.

Thanks, LM

80 posted on 01/09/2004 7:49:43 PM PST by Lead Moderator
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