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No easy touch for 134 voters in Broward [Florida voters can't find touch screen]
Miami Herald ^ | Jan 8, 2004

Posted on 01/08/2004 11:26:40 AM PST by george wythe

Three years after helping render punch-card voting systems obsolete, Broward County voters have proven that no election system is foolproof.

In Tuesday's special election to fill state House seat 91, 134 Broward voters managed to use the 2-year-old touch-screen equipment without casting votes for any candidate.

How so many happened to cast nonvotes remains a riddle. Unlike with punch cards or paper ballots, there's no paper record with electronic voting that might offer a clue to the voter's intent.

(Excerpt) Read more at miami.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Florida
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1 posted on 01/08/2004 11:26:41 AM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe
I guess it's true:

The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.
2 posted on 01/08/2004 11:28:59 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Democratic Party: Without an electoral mandate for almost 28 years.)
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To: george wythe
You know I try to have sympathy for people who aren't educated etc....but in my opinion if you're to stupid to figure out how to work the machine you shouldn't even have the right to vote. They can vote next time after they've found a brain to borrow.
3 posted on 01/08/2004 11:30:08 AM PST by HELLRAISER II (Give us another tax break Mr. President)
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4 posted on 01/08/2004 11:30:14 AM PST by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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The rest of the article

The percentage of nonvotes -- 1.3 percent -- is modest compared to the days of ''hanging'' and ''pregnant chads.'' But in Tuesday's race, every vote was crucial. In a seven-candidate field, Ellyn Bogdanoff beat Oliver Parker by just 12 votes.

''These were the new machines,'' said Chas Brady, a spokesman for Parker's campaign. ``This was not supposed to happen.''

Bogdanoff had a ready explanation for the mystery. She theorized that some of the people who cast nonvotes were among the county's true-blue Democrats who were appalled to find a ballot with only Republicans.

''That would make a heck of a lot of sense if you were looking for a Democrat on the ballot,'' she said.

PUSH THE `VOTE'

Election Systems & Software, maker of the $17.2 million system in use in Broward, believes that some voters failed to push the ''vote'' button at the conclusion of the ballot -- akin to hitting the ''send'' button to dispatch an e-mail.

The company says voters might have been confused by the ballot's ''review'' screen, since there was only one item on the ballot to review, said Broward Mayor Ilene Lieberman, who talked to ES&S officials Wednesday.

When voters hit the ''send'' button after failing to select a candidate, the touch screen gives them a warning. But it doesn't prevent them from voting anyway or, in this case, nonvoting.

That's probably what many did, suggested Gisela Salas, the former Miami-Dade deputy elections supervisor who now works for newly appointed Broward Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes.

''It happens in every election,'' Salas said. ``There are people who make the choice not to select any candidates.''

Brady, spokesman for Parker, the second-place finisher, doesn't buy that theory, since there's just one page on the ballot.

''It's not as though they're on Page 5 and are tired of voting,'' he said.

And Lieberman, a Democrat, believes that anyone who would take the time to go to the polls for such a small election would want their vote to count.

''It's incomprehensible that 134 people went to the polls and didn't cast votes,'' said Lieberman, who served on the canvassing board that oversaw Tuesday night's count. ``We need to find an answer to this question.''

ADD PRINTERS

Lieberman has advocated adding printers to the touch-screen machines to create a paper record of each vote cast. Voters would be able to see the printout to verify it before they leave the machine, a type of technology that many states are beginning to consider.

Lieberman has asked ES&S, which also manufactured Miami-Dade County's voting machines, to provide some answers on the nonvotes by 1:30 p.m. today, when the canvassing board meets for a state-mandated recount.

None of this would have drawn much notice had the race to fill the District 91 seat in Northeast Broward not been so breathtakingly close, said Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore, who survived her own recount in 2000 after designing a controversial ''butterfly'' ballot.

''We always pray for large margins,'' she said.

5 posted on 01/08/2004 11:30:28 AM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe
The rest of the story...

The percentage of nonvotes -- 1.3 percent -- is modest compared to the days of ''hanging'' and ''pregnant chads.'' But in Tuesday's race, every vote was crucial. In a seven-candidate field, Ellyn Bogdanoff beat Oliver Parker by just 12 votes.

''These were the new machines,'' said Chas Brady, a spokesman for Parker's campaign. ``This was not supposed to happen.''

Bogdanoff had a ready explanation for the mystery. She theorized that some of the people who cast nonvotes were among the county's true-blue Democrats who were appalled to find a ballot with only Republicans.

''That would make a heck of a lot of sense if you were looking for a Democrat on the ballot,'' she said.

PUSH THE `VOTE'

Election Systems & Software, maker of the $17.2 million system in use in Broward, believes that some voters failed to push the ''vote'' button at the conclusion of the ballot -- akin to hitting the ''send'' button to dispatch an e-mail.

The company says voters might have been confused by the ballot's ''review'' screen, since there was only one item on the ballot to review, said Broward Mayor Ilene Lieberman, who talked to ES&S officials Wednesday.

When voters hit the ''send'' button after failing to select a candidate, the touch screen gives them a warning. But it doesn't prevent them from voting anyway or, in this case, nonvoting.

That's probably what many did, suggested Gisela Salas, the former Miami-Dade deputy elections supervisor who now works for newly appointed Broward Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes.

''It happens in every election,'' Salas said. ``There are people who make the choice not to select any candidates.''

Brady, spokesman for Parker, the second-place finisher, doesn't buy that theory, since there's just one page on the ballot.

''It's not as though they're on Page 5 and are tired of voting,'' he said.

And Lieberman, a Democrat, believes that anyone who would take the time to go to the polls for such a small election would want their vote to count.

''It's incomprehensible that 134 people went to the polls and didn't cast votes,'' said Lieberman, who served on the canvassing board that oversaw Tuesday night's count. ``We need to find an answer to this question.''

ADD PRINTERS

Lieberman has advocated adding printers to the touch-screen machines to create a paper record of each vote cast. Voters would be able to see the printout to verify it before they leave the machine, a type of technology that many states are beginning to consider.

Lieberman has asked ES&S, which also manufactured Miami-Dade County's voting machines, to provide some answers on the nonvotes by 1:30 p.m. today, when the canvassing board meets for a state-mandated recount.

None of this would have drawn much notice had the race to fill the District 91 seat in Northeast Broward not been so breathtakingly close, said Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore, who survived her own recount in 2000 after designing a controversial ''butterfly'' ballot.

''We always pray for large margins,'' she said.

6 posted on 01/08/2004 11:31:38 AM PST by Dutchgirl
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To: george wythe
Al Gore's newest invention: Improved Voter Fraud
7 posted on 01/08/2004 11:31:56 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: george wythe
Good, a way for the votes of stupid people to be deleted. If they are too stupid to figure out a touch screen voting machine, they shouldn't be trusted with the responsibility of helping to choose our leaders. (Furthermore, that most likely means fewer democrat votes as STUPID people clearly vote democrat about 70% to 80% of the time.)
8 posted on 01/08/2004 11:32:00 AM PST by VRWCmember (We apologise for the fault in the taglines. Those responsible have been sacked.)
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To: george wythe
"Bogdanoff had a ready explanation for the mystery. She theorized that some of the people who cast nonvotes were among the county's true-blue Democrats who were appalled to find a ballot with only Republicans.

Perhaps a sign of what is coming!

9 posted on 01/08/2004 11:32:36 AM PST by An Old Man (USMC 1956 1960)
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To: george wythe
I see stupid people
10 posted on 01/08/2004 11:33:03 AM PST by bmwcyle (Monica's Mom "Trust but keep verification in the closet")
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To: george wythe

11 posted on 01/08/2004 11:33:28 AM PST by eyespysomething (Another American optimist!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"Too stupid to vote" ping
12 posted on 01/08/2004 11:34:18 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Freedom is a package deal - with it comes responsibilities and consequences.)
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To: george wythe
How so many happened to cast nonvotes remains a riddle. Unlike with punch cards or paper ballots, there's no paper record with electronic voting that might offer a clue to the voter's intent.

And that is why November 2004 is going to be the biggest election mess imaginable.

It is beyond me why these machines were not designed to print a receipt showing how the voter voted. A receipt for them and a copy to be kept inside the machine.

November is gonna be a mess!!

13 posted on 01/08/2004 11:35:00 AM PST by upchuck (This tag line will self-destruct in five seconds. 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.... 1.... DISOLVE!)
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To: george wythe
These machines should be programmed to print out a receipt like a lottery machine for proof that a person's vote has been tabulated!
14 posted on 01/08/2004 11:36:03 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: Dutchgirl
Nice theory:
Bogdanoff had a ready explanation for the mystery. She theorized that some of the people who cast nonvotes were among the county's true-blue Democrats who were appalled to find a ballot with only Republicans.
Too bad there is no proof of that, especially no voter interviews to suggests it.

Another theory:

Election Systems & Software, maker of the $17.2 million system in use in Broward, believes that some voters failed to push the ''vote'' button at the conclusion of the ballot -- akin to hitting the ''send'' button to dispatch an e-mail.
Others are also skeptical:
''It happens in every election,'' Salas said. ``There are people who make the choice not to select any candidates.''

Brady, spokesman for Parker, the second-place finisher, doesn't buy that theory, since there's just one page on the ballot.


15 posted on 01/08/2004 11:37:26 AM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe
In Tuesday's special election to fill state House seat 91, 134 Broward voters managed to use the 2-year-old touch-screen equipment without casting votes for any candidate.

Talking about putting the DUH in FloriDUH. These must be the Algore DumbocRATs.

The electronic voting machines we used in the last election were not touch screen. We had to actually highlight a candidate's name, and then cast the vote. These DUH voters could have never voted with that system.

16 posted on 01/08/2004 11:39:12 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Willie Nelson is just another chicken "D". No new ballad, because of the backlash.)
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To: george wythe
They were disenfranchised!
17 posted on 01/08/2004 11:39:25 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: george wythe
Broward County voters have proven that no election system is foolproof

Duh. And statistically, every vote NEVER counts, because you won't ever get a 100% count. That's why the sensible thing to do is to count the votes and live with the result. End of story.

18 posted on 01/08/2004 11:40:19 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: eyespysomething
Florida is ready for 2004

ROTFLMAO!

Seriesly! LOL!

19 posted on 01/08/2004 11:42:14 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: george wythe
Florida voters! Gotta love 'em!
20 posted on 01/08/2004 11:42:23 AM PST by ladyinred (W/04)
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