Mexican officers made arrest in U.S., boys say

El Paso Times ^ | December 14, 2003 | Louie Gilot

[Dan Evans]

Mexican officers made arrest in U.S., boys say

The FBI office in El Paso has looked into the claims last month by a family of four in the border ranching community of Candelaria, Texas, that Mexico law enforcement officers crossed the Rio Grande into the United States to kidnap them, FBI officials said.

The alleged kidnapping took place Nov. 24, when Ladislao Rivas-Escarcega, 39, his wife and their two sons said they were shooting a .22-caliber rifle by the river.

It isn't clear how long the family was allegedly held in Mexico. After their release, the boys alerted officials at their Presidio school.

FBI officials said they have closed the case because the alleged victims were safe and because there were no other witnesses to the incident.

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[Dan Evans]

FBI officials said they have closed the case because the alleged victims were safe and because there were no other witnesses to the incident.

I wonder exactly how many witnesses the FBI needs before they will investigate a kidnapping. Wouldn't four be enough?

[Cicero]

They sent several hundred FBI agents after Eric Rudolph, took over a whole town, and had helicopters patrolling the woods for months. Evidently it has to be a politically incorrect crime to really attract their attention.

Getting the story into the El Paso Times seems like a step forward, however. This is not good publicity for them.

[Dan Evans]

ping

[JackelopeBreeder]

About time for this story to grow some legs.

[Missouri]

PING.

[FITZ]

But the Mexican government controls who can be in the El Paso FBI office.
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With Hardrick Crawford Jr.'s sudden retirement as special agent in charge of the El Paso FBI field office, El Paso law-enforcement officials and community leaders lamented the loss of a friend in a high place.

Many in Mexico, however, applauded the loss of someone they considered to be a meddler.

While El Paso Emergency Management Coordinator Ray Apodaca said he was "extremely disappointed" by Crawford's departure, Rodolfo Quevedo, a lawyer in Juárez representing a dozen Mexican nationals arrested last year by the FBI on suspicion of being train robbers, said Crawford "did a lot of harm here."


But in Mexico, Crawford had many detractors as well.

His leaving comes amid complaints by Mexico City officials regarding his show of support for two friends: Jose Maria Guardia, owner of the Juárez racetrack, and Catholic Cardinal Juan Sandoval Iñiguez of Guadalajara. Guardia and Sandoval are being investigated in Mexico for money laundering, a charge both men deny.

To Mexicans inside and outside the government, Crawford's support of the two men amounted to an infringement on their sovereignty.

Even Isabel Arvide, a Mexico City journalist and author who was jailed twice on charges of defamation after criticizing her government, sided with Mexico. On Oct. 16, she wrote in her online column, "Hardrick Crawford has received one of the most important lessons of his life as a U.S. government employee: The other country's rights must be respected on the border, above personal relations."

[HiJinx]

Well, this story is starting to grow legs...
Tell me again, what was it that Pancho Villa did about a hunnert years ago?

[Dan Evans]

Mr. Gadaffy learned from Mr.Hussein's experience, why can't Mr. Fox?

[ol' hoghead]

IIRC, Pancho invaded Colombus, N. M. c.1916 and we dispatched Gen. Black Jack Pershing chasing after him in Chihuahua or Sonora. Never did catch him, though. WWI interupred the chase.

. ol 'hoghead

[HiJinx]

So, who are we going to dispatch after the Mexicans now?

Nobody...

[Happy2BMe]

Awww... what's a little kidnapping by the Federales of U.S. citizens gonna hurt? - ping!

[Happy2BMe]

"Tell me again, what was it that Pancho Villa did about a hunnert years ago?"

My granpapa Pancho Villa - he say some day we own California - AY KARUMBA!

WE DON'T NEED NO STEEEKIN' BORDERS!"

Homeland Security 2004 goal > > pardon ALL illegal Mexicans!

[Happy2BMe]

"So, who are we going to dispatch after the Mexicans now?"

Q: Why does the United States Government permit wholesale illegal Mexican immigration?

A: For the workers.

Q: Why does the United States Government need foreign workers (not just Mexicans)?

A: It does not have enough labor force to meet the service sector and other blue collar work sector demands and growth within it's economy.

Q: Why does the United States Government not have enough workers to meet economic demand?

A: Over TWENTY MILLION AMERICAN WORKERS HAVE BEEN ABORTED OVER THE PAST TWENTY YEARS.

Q: If over twenty million American workers have been aborted over the past twenty years, who is going to pay for (read: generate taxes) the Social Security of the baby-boomer generation (now reaching critical mass)?

A: Mexican workers.

Any questions?

[Dan Evans]

America has people who are willing and able to replace illegal immigrants as farm labor. They are called Anabaptists -- Mennonites, Amish and Hutterites especially. Mennonites and Amish are subsistence farmers for the most part but the Hutterites work large corporate farms using modern farm equipment.

Suppose we were to deport all of the illegal aliens and close the border. Any farms that depended on them for their labor would be forced to sell out. Anabaptists are running out of room to expand so if farmland in the Southwest became available because of a lack of peasant labor the Anabaptists would surely buy up any farms that became available.

Amish have about nine kids per family so it wouldn't take very long at all for them to expand to fit the agricultural needs of America. These people are good at what they do, Hutterites produce about forty percent of the pork for South Dakota.

Generally speaking, Anabaptists don't make trouble. They won't pick up a gun to save their life, they won't try to take the Southwest and form their own country, and there won't be street gangs of angry young Anabaptists clogging the criminal justice system.

So don't let anyone tell you that Americans won't do the work that illegal immigrants do.

And what about all of those hamburger-flippers at Burger King -- who is going to do that? American teenagers -- they'll do it. I did.

[mongrel]

You don't know crap about "Anabaptists" nor have you probably ever met any. Or maybe you met a few in South Dakota and figure you got the whole bunch figured out.

You said, "Mennonites and Amish are subsistence farmers for the most part..." Uh...no. Few Mennonites are farmers any more, and most that are have mega-farms. Beyond that the occupational diversity of Mennonites is similar to that of most Americans.

Many Amish still farm, but mostly on the side. Their main income comes from non-union manufacturing jobs or in skilled building and industrial trades. Most Mennonites and Amish are hard-working and industrious, and earn far more than subsistance-level incomes. Add to that a simple, inexpensive lifestyle and you have people that for the most part are rather well-off.

[Happy2BMe]

There is one small difference between Anabaptists -- Mennonites, Amish and Hutterites and Mexicans.

Mexicans vote. Regularly and often.

[Dan Evans]

This is really a statistical agrument. Yes, a smaller percentage of Anabaptists are engaged in farming but not because they aren't farming any more. They have run out of land but they haven't stopped making babies. So they are forced to get outside jobs. They don't like the idea of one man working for another but they have no choice.

My point is, if illegal aliens go away, we will be able to cope.

[Dan Evans]

There is one small difference between Anabaptists -- Mennonites, Amish and Hutterites and Mexicans. Mexicans vote. Regularly and often.

That's what we should be worried about.

[luvbach1]

If they don't investigate Mexican soldiers shooting at US Border Patrolmen on US side of the border (more than one such incident has ocurred), why would one expect this case, only involving civilians, to command more attention? Just part of continued (by Bush admin) bad border policy of long standing.

[TLI]

With Hardrick Crawford Jr.'s sudden retirement as special agent in charge of the El Paso FBI field office, El Paso law-enforcement officials and community leaders lamented the loss of a friend in a high place.

Many in Mexico, however, applauded the loss of someone they considered to be a meddler.

While El Paso Emergency Management Coordinator Ray Apodaca said he was "extremely disappointed" by Crawford's departure, Rodolfo Quevedo, a lawyer in Juárez representing a dozen Mexican nationals arrested last year by the FBI on suspicion of being train robbers, said Crawford "did a lot of harm here."

Cheering and lamenting . . . .

If the fed decides, and it looks like they have, that they can't or won't prosecute this, then I consider myself abandoned by fed gov and I must defend myself. I will prepare to do so post haste, by whatever means are not provided directly to me by the fed gov.

TLI