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Triumph!
Joseph Sobran column ^ | 12-16-03 | Sobran, Joseph

Posted on 12/19/2003 10:23:43 AM PST by Theodore R.

Triumph!

December 16, 2003 So Saddam Hussein, who hasn’t broken any American laws, will stand trial under the supervision of President Bush, who has pretty much shelved the U.S. Constitution.

Saddam — we’re all on first-name terms with him — doesn’t deserve a lot of pity. True, it’s hard not to be touched at the thought of an old man suddenly going from a diet of lobster and caviar to baloney sandwiches every day; but he’s probably in no position to gripe about prison conditions. Anyway, he’ll always have Paris, so to speak.

“Good riddance; the world is better off without you,” said Bush, addressing Saddam rhetorically, and calling him a “murderer” and “torturer.” And? And?

What about those weapons of mass destruction?

Not a word. That was Bush’s obsessive rationale for the war — the “gathering threat” Saddam’s fearful arsenal posed to world peace. He talked of little else for months. Secretary of State Colin Powell told the UN Security Council about it in fearful detail.

Down the Memory Hole! The “gathering threat,” arrested like a street bum, looked pathetic, bearded, dirty, unkempt, haggard. He had no power, no followers, no more money than he could carry with him. And certainly no WMDs. He was taken without a struggle. What a threat.

What will be the impact of his capture? “Throughout the Middle East,” writes a usually sensible columnist, “terrorism has been dealt a psychological blow.” Has the author of that sentence been living in a hole in the ground? It’s quite clear that Saddam has been a fugitive and effective nonentity for months; the Iraqi resistance has flourished without regard to him, let alone direction or inspiration from him.

He looks like a lonely derelict: completely out of it. The idea that his capture makes any real difference, or represents an American triumph, is ludicrous. If anything, it underlines how empty American war propaganda has been. Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism or 9/11 or any danger to the West. He was just a handy bogeyman of the War Party, who must now, in their hearts, find him something of a disappointment.

Now Saddam is a trophy prisoner. In a few months we’ll learn who’s going to try him and what the charges will be. At this point, all we know is the verdict: guilty.

And no doubt Saddam could be justly convicted of many crimes; the inevitable arbitrariness of his disposition doesn’t make him innocent. But we may also wish that some other people could be brought to justice too. We recall that the Soviets sat in judgment on the Nazis at Nuremberg. The charges had to be carefully phrased to avoid embarrassing our allies.

That’s how it goes in this old world. With the saints otherwise occupied, thugs may have to get their just deserts from other thugs. If it weren’t for revenge, there might be no justice at all.

As for Bush, consistency isn’t his long suit. Anyone who voted for him in 2000 probably expected a conservative president — opposed to more Federal spending, believing in limited government, favoring strict construction of the Constitution, scornful of nation-building abroad.

Bush has given us the opposite of all these things. And as with his switcheroo on WMDs, he doesn’t seem the least bit embarrassed about reversing himself or abandoning what he had presented as his settled convictions. After all, he has speechwriters and spokesmen to explain these things, to the extent his pollsters and strategists deem explanation necessary.

His assets include his Democratic opponents, who can’t get their act together. He knocked them off balance with a huge increase in Medicare spending, weakening their political base; they are afraid to oppose his war unequivocally, because it’s still fairly popular (though they hope that will change). The Democrats want to convey the impression that they strongly disapprove of Bush without really disagreeing with him.

Like Mr. Micawber, the Democrats are reduced to hoping that something will turn up; and, in politics, something usually does. Over the next year the Iraq war and/or the American economy may go sour. But at the moment it appears that the 2004 presidential election will be a purely partisan affair; whatever divides George W. Bush and Howard Dean (or whoever), it won’t be principle.

Joseph Sobran


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: barfalert; bush; colinpowell; conservatives; dean; democrats; economy; iraq; medicare; middleeast; nazis; nuremburg; republicans; saddamhussein; sobran; soviets; us; viceisclosed; warparty; wmd
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1 posted on 12/19/2003 10:23:43 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
No, seriously -- Saddam Hussein is a very nice man...

...FOR ME TO POOP ON!

2 posted on 12/19/2003 10:25:55 AM PST by martin_fierro (Holder of an M.A. degree in The Obvious)
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To: Theodore R.
So Saddam Hussein, who hasn’t broken any American laws, will stand trial under the supervision of President Bush

Actually, I think he ran some political ads for democrats 60 days before an election...

3 posted on 12/19/2003 10:27:53 AM PST by 2banana
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To: Theodore R.
The “gathering threat,” arrested like a street bum, looked pathetic, bearded, dirty, unkempt, haggard. He had no power, no followers, no more money than he could carry with him. And certainly no WMDs. He was taken without a struggle. What a threat.

I used to think Sobran had a clue at times. I don't think that any more. The reason Saddam was in this state was because we DID take out his power base - yet Sobran tries to spin Saddam's end state into some kind of rationale that he was never a threat. Truly, stupendously idiotic.

4 posted on 12/19/2003 10:33:15 AM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: Theodore R.
It is a pity that Joseph Sobran = Barf Alert.

I have lots of problems with current Republican spending habits myself, but the rest of the article is rubbish.

WMD: He's right we have not found WMDs, but we have found evidence of ongoing programs, chemical warheads, etc. For some reason idiots like Sobran keep leaving this part out.

Effect on terrorism: Well, he's not paying for Hamaside bombers at $25K a boom. And there was nice little brief case we found with him... and there is now significant evidence of an Iraq - Al Quaeda link.

Trial: Hey, Joe: This time we won't have to "carefully phrase" the charges to avoid embarrassment. 'Scuse me, the IRAQIS are not going to have to carefully phrase the charges...

Geez.
5 posted on 12/19/2003 10:35:29 AM PST by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: Theodore R.
It’s quite clear that Saddam has been a fugitive and effective nonentity for months; the Iraqi resistance has flourished without regard to him, let alone direction or inspiration from him.

I really have to wonder what the basis for this remarkable statement is. Iraqis on both sides of the issue disagree vehemently with Sobran here. The briefcase picked up with Saddam ought to be a clue that he was, in fact, quite involved. The reaction of the entire country is evidence that even in hiding his shadow ("Saddam of the seven masks") loomed large over that tortured country. This statement is so blatantly mistaken that it calls into question the entire rest of the piece.

6 posted on 12/19/2003 10:35:30 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Theodore R.
True, it’s hard not to be touched at the thought of an old man suddenly going from a diet of lobster and caviar to baloney sandwiches every day; but he’s probably in no position to gripe about prison conditions.

He'd better not gripe. He's come out of it at least with his skin (for now). That's a darned sight more than he'd have if we turned him over to the Iraqis he abused, or the Kurds. Saddam's still alive (for now) to argue his side, such as it is. That's more than the victims of his gas attacks have.

7 posted on 12/19/2003 10:40:31 AM PST by chimera
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To: Billthedrill
This statement is so blatantly mistaken that it calls into question the entire rest of the piece.

I guess Joe hasn't read the Ralph Peters piece about the 500 pages of documents found with Saddam that he used to direct the resistance movement. Documents that are now being used to roll up said movement.

Yep, Joe has gone so far around the bend that he's meeting up with the far left on the far side of the sun.

8 posted on 12/19/2003 10:42:26 AM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: Billthedrill
the name "Sobran" now seems to call into question why this guy is even taken seriously....seems like so many writers just speculate about how they can put together an article and get it published in the liberal press. And this piece shows how.
9 posted on 12/19/2003 10:43:48 AM PST by goodnesswins (Happy HOLY Days)
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To: Theodore R.
So Saddam Hussein, who hasn’t broken any American laws...

So Attempted assassination of a President isn't against the law? Damn! Squeaky Fraume and Sarah Harris will be happy to here that!

10 posted on 12/19/2003 10:50:28 AM PST by Bommer (Democraps: The New Improved NAZI's)
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To: Theodore R.
And as with his switcheroo on WMDs, he doesn’t seem the least bit embarrassed about reversing himself or abandoning what he had presented as his settled convictions.

The author is another whacko. "Switcheroo on WMDs"? We're still looking for them. And undoubdtedly, we'll find 'em. And this dolt will regret his stupid, uninformed statements.

11 posted on 12/19/2003 10:59:23 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: chimera
...from a diet of lobster and caviar to baloney sandwiches...

I thought that the Muslim religion forbade these butt-sniffers from eating baloney. Then again, this article is baloney.

12 posted on 12/19/2003 11:29:19 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Theodore R.
I used to think Sobran got a raw deal from WFB years ago when he was asked to leave the NR. I don't feel that way anymore - Joe's turned into a real crackpot.
13 posted on 12/19/2003 11:31:56 AM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: skeeter
It does seem that Joseph Sobran did not turn his dismissal from National Review into "lemonade", doesn't it? I don't see how he is staying afloat with this column, which we get access to usually a week or two late on his website. He considered running for vice president with Howard Phillips in 2000 but backed out for financial reasons. He is quite a Shakespearean scholar too.
14 posted on 12/19/2003 11:36:48 AM PST by Theodore R. (When will they ever learn?)
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To: martin_fierro
And Joe Sobran is a great conservative writer...

...for me to poop on.
15 posted on 12/19/2003 11:40:53 AM PST by RichInOC (...I no keed, I no keed...)
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To: dirtboy
I agree. The anti-war left is by necessity delusional, because there is so much they have to deny, forget, and ignore.

He had no power, no followers....

No FOLLOWERS?. The families of our dead soldiers, especially the ones killed "since Bush declared an end to the military phase" would be a little disheartened to hear that one.

16 posted on 12/19/2003 11:45:05 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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Joe Sobran is a great conservative writer whiner.
17 posted on 12/19/2003 11:49:24 AM PST by Consort
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To: martin_fierro
lol! The second I saw the title, right away I thought of America's favorite insult comic dog. :>
18 posted on 12/19/2003 11:51:13 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Bommer
Well, if being in possession of $750,000 American Federal Reserve notes is not criminal in Iraq, it should be; because it sure is here.

If any one of us were ever caught sauntering down the street (much less burrowed in some hole) with that amount of cash on our person, so many red flags would be raised we'd think we were in Moscow.

Reality checks are surely in order for those sypathetic to Saddam's capture/detainment/overall predicament...OK, thorough background checks as well.

19 posted on 12/19/2003 11:51:21 AM PST by Ground0
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To: Theodore R.

This article proves Einstein's hypothesis that space is curved. Head right, and keep going long enough, and you pop out on the left.


20 posted on 12/19/2003 11:51:26 AM PST by Nick Danger (With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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