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Friedman: The Chant Not Heard
The New York Times ^ | 11/30/03 | THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Posted on 11/29/2003 2:21:02 PM PST by Pokey78

I stood on the sidewalk in London the other day and watched thousands of antiwar, anti-George Bush, anti-Tony Blair protesters pass by. They chanted every antiwar slogan you could imagine and many you couldn't print. It was entertaining — but also depressing, because it was so disconnected from the day's other news.

Just a few hours earlier, terrorists in Istanbul had blown up a British-owned bank and the British consulate, killing or wounding scores of British and Turkish civilians. Yet nowhere could I find a single sign in London reading, "Osama, How Many Innocents Did You Kill Today?" or "Baathists — Hands Off the U.N. and the Red Cross in Iraq." Hey, I would have settled for "Bush and Blair Equal Bin Laden and Saddam" — something, anything, that acknowledged that the threats to global peace today weren't just coming from the White House and Downing Street.

Sorry, but there is something morally obtuse about holding an antiwar rally on a day when your own people have been murdered — and not even mentioning it or those who perpetrated it. Watching this scene, I couldn't help but wonder whether George Bush had made the liberal left crazy. It can't see anything else in the world today, other than the Bush-Blair original sin of launching the Iraq war, without U.N. approval or proof of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

Believe me, being a liberal on every issue other than this war, I have great sympathy for where the left is coming from. And if I didn't, my wife would remind me. It would be a lot easier for the left to engage in a little postwar reconsideration if it saw even an ounce of reflection, contrition or self-criticism coming from the conservatives, such as Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld, who drove this war, yet so bungled its aftermath and so misjudged the complexity of postwar Iraq. Moreover, the Bush team is such a partisan, ideological, nonhealing administration that many liberals just want to punch its lights out — which is what the Howard Dean phenomenon is all about.

But here's why the left needs to get beyond its opposition to the war and start pitching in with its own ideas and moral support to try to make lemons into lemonade in Baghdad:

First, even though the Bush team came to this theme late in the day, this war is the most important liberal, revolutionary U.S. democracy-building project since the Marshall Plan. The primary focus of U.S. forces in Iraq today is erecting a decent, legitimate, tolerant, pluralistic representative government from the ground up. I don't know if we can pull this off. We got off to an unnecessarily bad start. But it is one of the noblest things this country has ever attempted abroad and it is a moral and strategic imperative that we give it our best shot.

Unless we begin the long process of partnering with the Arab world to dig it out of the developmental hole it's in, this angry, frustrated region is going to spew out threats to world peace forever. The next six months in Iraq — which will determine the prospects for democracy-building there — are the most important six months in U.S. foreign policy in a long, long time. And it is way too important to leave it to the Bush team alone.

On Iraq, there has to be more to the left than anti-Bushism. The senior Democrat who understands that best is the one not running for president — Senator Joe Biden. He understands that the liberal opposition to the Bush team should be from the right — to demand that we send more troops to Iraq, and more committed democracy builders, to do the job better and smarter than the Bush team has.

Second, we are seeing — from Bali to Istanbul — the birth of a virulent, nihilistic form of terrorism that seeks to kill any advocates of modernism and pluralism, be they Muslims, Christians or Jews. This terrorism started even before 9/11, and is growing in the darkest corners of the Muslim world. It is the most serious threat to open societies, because one more 9/11 and we'll really see an erosion of our civil liberties. Ultimately, only Arabs and Muslims can root out this threat, but they will do that only when they have ownership over their own lives and societies. Nurturing that is our real goal in Iraq.

"In general," says Robert Wright, author of "Nonzero," "too few who opposed the war understand the gravity of the terrorism problem, and too few who favored it understand the subtlety of the problem."

For my money, the right liberal approach to Iraq is to say: We can do it better. Which is why the sign I most hungered to see in London was, "Thanks, Mr. Bush. We'll take it from here."


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antiwar; appeasement; kooks; leftists; liberals; prosaddam; thomaslfriedman; ukvisit
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This jerk thinks he is a visionary Dim for not walking off the cliff with communists in England. He feigns moderation every 10th article, and even impresses some RINOs.


"I have great sympathy for where the left is coming from. And if I didn't, my wife would remind me."

Effeminate little bitch. Telling the world what to think daily... yet submissive to his wife to the point of letting her believe and advocate falsehoods and lies. The gratuitous "She's the boss" BS.

21 posted on 11/29/2003 3:56:55 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Capt. Tom
Well said. Bravo.
22 posted on 11/29/2003 3:58:43 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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"I liked this column."

Stockholm syndrome.
23 posted on 11/29/2003 4:01:15 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Pokey78
Liberals are ranting and raving crazies, and they will succeed in the battle for the WH as well as a ranting and raving crazy would succeed in a regular battle-- which is to say, not very well. It's part of Rove's strategy to keep the left from thinking rationally.
24 posted on 11/29/2003 4:14:40 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("He's got to win in '04. No one else can prosecute this war like he can."- Cpt. J. Morrison, Baghdad)
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To: Pokey78
I thought that the one chant that was missing at London's anti-Bush demonstrations was "We're s**te and we know we are...we're s**te and we know we are..."
25 posted on 11/29/2003 4:18:07 PM PST by RichInOC (...they're s**te and they know they are...)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Hey, you guys, he has to write something whether he has anything to say or not. And he works for the NYT, so he has to toe the party line. And he has a wife to support. What do you expect?
26 posted on 11/29/2003 4:25:03 PM PST by tommix2
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To: Ukiapah Heep
I don't share Tommy's understanding of the left.

I believe that I saw Friedman on C-SPAN admitting, when asked about his "politics", that he best fit the Democratic Socialists of the European mold.

27 posted on 11/29/2003 4:25:55 PM PST by jackbill
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To: Pokey78
Which is why the sign I most hungered to see in London was, "Thanks, Mr. Bush. We'll take it from here."

Oh yeah. They've done such a good job in the world so far. /sarcasm

28 posted on 11/29/2003 4:26:15 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: tommix2
Show no mercy to leftists, EVER.
29 posted on 11/29/2003 4:27:44 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Pokey78
Here's a typical Friedman column since the war started. He knows that our course of action is just, but he can't get past the fact that it's Republicans doing it. So he has to rain on the parade at every opportunity even though he supports it. My own opinion is that the Dems couldn't organize a good vomit contest after eating maggots (sorry for that image). Which is what their party is full of.
30 posted on 11/29/2003 4:28:08 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Pokey78
What Friedman doesn't understand is that liberals hate Democracy and love totalitarianism. That is the single defining element of all the anti-war protests of the last 50 years. The protestors love socialist dictatorships and hate capitalism and freedom.
31 posted on 11/29/2003 4:32:32 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Pokey78
And I guess he'd be considered one of the more moderate liberals, since he didn't like some of their signs?

This comment really made me gag:

Moreover, the Bush team is such a partisan, ideological, nonhealing administration...

Excuuuse me - non-HEALING???

Is that supposed to be a function of government? I thought doctors, nurses and acupuncturists were into healing!

32 posted on 11/29/2003 5:01:50 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: driftless
My own opinion is that the Dems couldn't organize a good vomit contest after eating maggots (sorry for that image). Which is what their party is full of.

ROTFLOL!!!! Love it!!

33 posted on 11/29/2003 5:08:00 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Pokey78
Some of the left is starting to see their impossible position. I disagree with Friedman about those that favorted the war not understanding the subltety of the terrorism problem. I would counter that those on the left don't understand the simplicity of the problem -- a world-wide fascist movement has been using a religion that already preaches intolerance to accomplish their political goals. Don't they remember genocide? Don't they remember torture, terrorism? One doesn't wait until the Huns are at the door, one hunts them. I respectfully would thank Thomas Friedman of the NY Times for his honesty about the left and the importance of Iraq. I would also respectfully remind Mr. Friedman that until the left understands some of the simplicity of opposing terrrorism, they are not ready to "... take it from here."
34 posted on 11/30/2003 4:47:56 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Pokey78
On Iraq, there has to be more to the left than anti-Bushism. The senior Democrat who understands that best is the one not running for president — Senator Joe Biden. He understands that the liberal opposition to the Bush team should be from the right — to demand that we send more troops to Iraq, and more committed democracy builders, to do the job better and smarter than the Bush team has.

Joe Biden?

THE Joe Biden who referred to the US as bullies, for utilizing our no-nonsense approach in Afghanistan?

He sure must be a quick study.

35 posted on 11/30/2003 6:38:44 AM PST by Lisa Lupner
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To: rhombus
Good post.
36 posted on 11/30/2003 6:40:07 AM PST by Lisa Lupner
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To: Pokey78
Moreover, the Bush team is such a partisan, ideological, nonhealing administration that many liberals just want to punch its lights out — which is what the Howard Dean phenomenon is all about.

BRING IT ON!

37 posted on 11/30/2003 7:03:45 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Pokey78
I get it, Mr. Friedman. You have to stay in good with your liberal buddies, so you make up a bogus reason to attack Bush et al. Bush waited an unnecessary 6 to 8 months for Blair and Powell's attempt to try the diplomatic multilateral approach. Did you forget that?

Also, Bush let the State Department run the immediate post war with the kabosh of the external Iraqis and the imposition of a buch of lefties such as that Boudin woman and Jay Garner, who is just this past week revealing his true colors. Do you forget these things? No, you just want contrition from Bush and Rumsfeld. You are worhtless. Your personal failings--maybe it is your wife's influence, after all-- determine this whole idiotic snit about how Bush is right, but he wasn't really. All to preserve your standing with the NYT and others.

38 posted on 11/30/2003 7:08:33 AM PST by ontos-on
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To: DManA
" Behind every (straight) liberal man is an overbearing, selfrightous, aggressive liberal woman.

And if I didn't, my wife would remind me.

Precisely.

As Nietzsche said, if you fail to get the relation to woman issue right, all else will be rotten.

39 posted on 11/30/2003 7:13:29 AM PST by ontos-on
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To: tjg
Liberals just don't turn tail and run when the fighting starts. They wail and moan, prevaricate, temporize and delay your going out to meet the enemy as mush as humanly possible; and then wail and moan at every step once the fighting does start.
40 posted on 11/30/2003 7:16:03 AM PST by ontos-on
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