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1 posted on 11/27/2003 12:42:12 PM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: Badabing Badaboom; Shermy; EdLake; pokerbuddy0
These are not musings from "popular media"....
2 posted on 11/27/2003 12:43:51 PM PST by TrebleRebel (If you're new to the internet, CLICK HERE.)
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Ping. A MUST read for the FR Anthrax-Busters.
3 posted on 11/27/2003 12:46:40 PM PST by Shermy (This is not a hoax letter...)
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To: Allan
Ping.
4 posted on 11/27/2003 12:47:43 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: keri
ping
5 posted on 11/27/2003 12:47:59 PM PST by Allan
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To: TrebleRebel
Good article, confirming what we have read elsewhere.
7 posted on 11/27/2003 12:52:02 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TrebleRebel
are there any previous links between Hatfill and the apparent targets? ... I haven't followed it that close so I don't know ...
8 posted on 11/27/2003 12:55:56 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: TrebleRebel
Silica has been a staple in professionally engineered germ warfare powders for decades. (The Soviet Union added to its powders resin and a silica dust called Aerosil–a formulation requiring high heat to create nanoparticles, says Alibek. U. S. labs have tested an Aerosil variant called Cab-O-Sil, and declassified U. S. intelligence reports state that Iraq's chemical and biological warfare labs imported tons of both Cab-O-Sil and Aerosil, also known as "solid smoke," in the 1980s).

Previously posted here...

I found this old Iraqi internet request for for a supplier of Aerosil or Cab-o-sil, among other things, through a Ukrainian company called TP consulting. The date of the request was April 26th, 2001. It originally appeared here, but that link now requires a login. I was able to find it cached via Google...

Enter (on back to day): 655

Subject:
Iraq export

The text:



MS
We are consultend office here in the Netherlands. We cooperate with our partners in Amman(Jordan) and Baghdad (Iraq)
We seeking all over the world companies which are interested to supply Iraq with all kind of medical equipment.
Attached the past tender,closed 26-04-01.
The next tender is end of June, for A.C.A.I.- factory, BaghdadAll prices must be in Euro,C.I.F.Baghdad
incl 12-15% our commission.If you are interested to take part on the coming tender and future,we can give you all details.
Waiting your soon reply
Kind regards
Brotiek Liebrand bv
Adrie Liebrand
Afram Georgis
Castaert 88
5688 PG Oirschot
the Netherlands




No.
It item and Specifications Qty

1-
Saccharine Sod. :

White crystalline powder and follow other B.P. 88 specifications .
3'350

Kg

2-
Sodium Benzoate : According to the B.P. 88 with the considering of the following specifications .

1) Characters : white granular or crystalline powder .

2) Loss on drying :- not more than 1.5 %
8'450.00

Kg

3-
C.M.C. Sodium : Its specifications comply with USP. 23, in addition to the following specifications .

1) Viscosity :- 1% solution of C.M.C. ; 275 ± 20 CP at 250 C using rotatory apparatus .

2) Particle size : fine powder , 100% pass through sieve mesh 65µ m pours .

3) Microbial limit test : according to the USP 23 , monograph C.M.C.
9'494

Kg

4-
Magnesium Stearate : According B.P. 88 with the addition of the following specifications .

1) Microbial test . U.S.P. 23

2) Loss on drying :- not more than 4.0%

3) Density 1.03 - 1.08 g/cm3

4) Bulk volume 3 - 8.4 ml/gm

5) Tapped volume 2.5 - 6.2 ml/gm

6) Melting point 88.5 C
2'100

Kg

5-
Aerosil 200 : ( colloidal silicon dioxide ) : According to the U.S.P. 23 specifications , NF monograph .

Or - CAB - O- SIL grade M-5

Loss on drying at 1050 C 0.25 %

Tapped density 41 g/ L

PH = (1:25 Aqueous dispersion ) 3.5 - 4.4

Surface area 200 ± 25 (BET method )

Particle size 12nm
6'800

Kg

6-
Sucrose : According to the B.P. 88
630'000

Kg

7-
Silicon oil : (Dimethicone 350 ) (Specifications : Silicon Fluid , transparent - helder , viscosity 350 cps .

Silicon Oil will be used for Siliconization of sterile injectable vials and rubber stoppers for these vials .
480

Liters

8-
Raspberry flavor :

1) White near off white powder of raspberry taste and smell .

2) Moisture :- not more than 8 %

3) Arsenic & lead :- not more than 1p.p.m.

4) Microbial limit test :- pass .
5'000

Kg

9-
Pineapple flavor :

1) White to yellow fine powder of pineapple taste and smell .

2) Moisture :- not more than 10% .

3) Arsenic & lead not more than 1.p.p.m.

4) Microbial limit test :- pass.
6'500

Kg




E-Mail: a.liebrand@chello.nl

Google cache LINK


About TP enterprises...

The versatile company "TP consulting" was established with the purpose of the operative and individual decision of each of the tasks, put by the client. The company does all its best for professional and operative servicing of the clients.
When "TP consulting" services are necessary?

At fluctuations during decision taking concerning the choosing of the partner!
· At lack of the true information!
· When it is necessary to adjust interaction with the dealers, with the distributors, with the trade companies, with the suppliers!
· At first (successful!?) steps in the new market!
· On the peak of success in achievement, at new scales of tasks!
· In the critical moments!
· When nothing causes the doubts!

Our address: 4 Gorodetskogo str., Kiev, Ukraine.
The address for the correspondence: Box. 41., Kiev 34, 01034, Ukraine.
Working hours: from 9 am. - 6 pm. Kiev time.

Tel. 380 (044) 247-1555
Fax (USA)(240) 337-4764

380442471555@sms.gt.kiev.ua (SMS up to 120 marks!).

E-Mail: cooperation@tp.com.ua

TP consulting | main page

10 posted on 11/27/2003 1:04:33 PM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: TrebleRebel
I think you'll find the contents of this article are what the FBI didn't want us to know - presumably because they feared some bushy-chinned terrorist could whip up a batch in the boondocks.

Why didn't Patrick and Alibek recognize what they saw ?
Possibly it was light years beyond what they had worked on !
Yesterday's research has a way of becoming "old hat" fast.

Just for the hell of it, let's rule out Russia,Iraq,Algeria,Syria,and Iran.
(Again, this is just for argument's sake !)

That would leave us: Pakistan,India,China, and N. Korea.
Let me do a bit of research and get back to this...
17 posted on 11/27/2003 1:34:26 PM PST by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: TrebleRebel
Is that report from this month's Science Magazine?
36 posted on 11/27/2003 6:04:37 PM PST by Symblized
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To: Huggy
Ping
45 posted on 11/27/2003 8:50:26 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: TrebleRebel
jihad bump
47 posted on 11/27/2003 9:50:24 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: EdLake; _Jim; Badabing Badaboom; Shermy; pokerbuddy0; okie01; Mitchell; Allan; aristeides; ...
Very important stuff, should clear up any misconceptions or lies one final time. As someone mentioned in another thread, the tide is turning.

My name is Gary Matsumoto. I am the author of the Science magazine article published this week under the title: Anthrax Powder: State of the Art?

Over the past few days I have been alternately entertained and appalled by the emails of Mr. Ed Lake which have grown progressively more shrill with each passing day. Mr. Lake has been boorish and he is entitled to be a boor, but he has also been grotesquely inaccurate, and to the extent that he is trying to tell other people what to think on a matter of national security, he is obligated to make a minimal effort get his facts straight. As he seems to take that obligation lightly, I feel it is necessary to offer the following response.

The scientists who performed the electronmicroscopy and elemental analyses on the Senate anthrax powder have stated, on-the-record, that there was silica present;
Two of those scientists, Tom Geisbert and Peter Jahrling of the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), saw silica nanoparticles on the Daschle anthrax spores that looked, as author Richard Preston described it in his book, The Demon in the Freezer, "like fried-egg gunk, dripping off the spores";
There are several detailed descriptions of these silica nanoparticles in Preston's book. Although Geisbert and Jahrling have not been allowed to communicate with anyone other than Preston, Fort Detrick spokesperson, Caree Vanderlinden, told me that USAMRIID does not dispute the facts in Preston's book;
The 2001 Canadian military study, which assessed the risk posed by anthrax spores delivered by mail, used the U.S. Army's anthrax simulant that I described in my article. The Bacillus globigii spores were coated in silica nanoparticles; they also appeared to be energetic (without passing through a sorting machine, which has been cited as a potential source of static electricity), swiftly disseminating through a simulated office space in less than two minutes. The BG spore's energetic behavior was prima facie evidence of an electrostatic charge. The spore concentration reported by the Canadians (1x10^11/gram or 100+ billion spores/gram) tells you that they received the Army's newest batch of simulant made by Chris Hansen. According to military sources, the Army's older batch of simulant contained a much lower spore concentration (1-5x10^9/gram or 1 to 5 billion spores/gram); the older simulant stock also contained silica;
Mr. Lake is correct in saying that the simulant used in the Canadian study, donated by Dugway Proving Ground and treated with silica , behaved like the Daschle anthrax powder;
Dr. Matthew Meselson of Harvard has previously stated that he did not see silica nanoparticles on the Daschle spores as I described them in an October 2002 Washington Post article co-wrotten with Guy Gugliotta. This hairsplitting distinction may offer one possible explanation for the discrepancy between the Geisbert/Jahrling accounts, and those of Meselson/Alibek. In the Post article, Guy and I described an individual particle of CAB-O-SIL (a fumed silica) at a magnification of 350,000x, which is several hundred thousand times greater than the magnification employed to view, and photograph, a cluster of spores. As it is the molecular structure of a silica nanoparticle that make it an ideal dispersing agent, Guy and I deemed it necessary to provide, in words, a close-up view. At 350,000x, one can discern the ultrastructure of a single silica nanoparticle, but the surface of a spore would be completely obscured--the scanning distance would be too close. So, unless Meselson/Alibek were viewing electronmicrographs at this extreme magnification, they would not see what I described;
Individual silica nanoparticles can look different from CAB-O-SIL; it depends on how they were processed. Individual silica nanoparticles can be as small as 5 nanometers in diameter (smaller than a polio virus); agglomerates can appear as Preston describes them, like the "splatty goop or gunk" of a fried egg white;

The presence of silica is not determined by the visual examination of electronmicrographs. It is a determination made with laboratory instruments such as the Thermo-Noran Energy Dispersive X-Ray Fluorescence Spectrometer used by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology to analyze the Daschle spores. This instrument is precise and generates unambiguous data; Other instruments, equally precise, would be used to determine the presence of a silane coupling agent;
As I reported in my article, various news organizations reported the presence of an unidentified substance in the Senate powder, in addition to silica. In her book, The Killer Strain, Washington Post correspondent Marilyn Thompson said "the silica also appeared to contain a chemical additive to aid in bonding." My reportage is consistent with these accounts, and advances this particular part of the story;
The possible presence of silicon atoms embedded in the internal structures of Bacillus spores is irrelevant when it comes to making an aerosol. To make a refined aerosol, an additive needs to be on the surface of a spore's outer envelope (the exosporium) to block adhesiveness due to van der Waals forces and the Coulombic fields surrounding various point charges on a particle. The spore's internal structures could be drenched in naturally-occurring silicon atoms (assuming that such atoms do occur naturally), and those atoms would not prevent clumping, or make a spore more"aerogenic." Untreated spores do not behave like the Senate material or the U.S. Army anthrax simulant. They behave like the coarse, non-energetic powder produced by Dugway Proving Ground's reverse engineering attempts earlier this year, which was made, allegedly at the FBI's specific request, without an additive.;
There is another critical difference between the X-Ray microanalysis data in the 1980 J. of Bact. paper that reported silicon in the cortex and spore coats of B. cereus spores and the energy dispersive X-Ray fluorescence spectroscopy that detected silica on the surface of B. anthracis spores. The B. cereus spores were cryosectioned in order to detect elements inside of the bacilli. The J. of Bact. paper's "silicon map" shows the alleged location of the silicon atoms--"the cortex/coat." I have been told that the AFIP spectroscopy examined the surfaces of whole B. anthracis spores mailed to Senator Daschle.

In a separate email, Mr. Milton Leitenberg, argues that through syntactical contrivance I misled him, and others, into thinking that chemist, Dr. Stuart Jacobsen, was part of "the FBI reference group dealing with Amerithrax events." I respectfully disagree. I made no references whatsoever to this group in my article. Dr. Jacobsen was not a source for any information concerning the engineering specifications of the Senate powder, the U.S. Army simulant powder, or the dried anthrax made by the U.S. Army at Fort Detrick prior to the cancellation of the U.S. biological warfare program. Dr. Jacobsen provided expert comment on the coating of small particles with silica nanoparticles and a coupling agent, which he was eminently qualified to do as he engineered coated particles during a project for the U.S. Defense Department.

As Leitenberg correctly states, I told him some time ago that I would not disclose information that reveals how to engineer an anthrax powder. I understand his concern, and I take this specific criticism of my article quite seriously. I do not believe, however, that I published anything resembling a blueprint for a BW aerosol. No one could go out and make a refined anthrax powder based on my Science article.

Finally, Mr. Leitenberg suggests that "the parameters listed by the JAMA authors were a generic description of "weapons grade," material and not a description of the Amerithrax samples." Again, I disagree. The authors of the JAMA paper clearly state that the "parameters" in question (i.e.., "high spore concentration, uniform particle size, low electrostatic charge, treated to reduce clumping.") referred to material "such as that used in the 2001 attacks." In other words, those parameters did, in fact, describe the Senate powder. This interpretation is buttressed by the fact that at the time JAMA published this paper, May 2002, various government officials had already ascribed the above characteristics to the Senate powder in press conferences and other on-the-record briefings.

There is, in fact, no such thing as a "generic description" of weapons grade material, because no such material exists. The various anthrax weapons known to U.S. intelligence are heterogenous in composition and their characteristics. The specifications of the Senate powder, as I pointed out in my article, did not resemble the former U.S. weapon, which had a much lower spore concentration ... was lyophilized, milled and contained no additive. There are no known parameters for an Iraqi anthrax powder as no such powder has been discovered. Weapons inspectors have never recovered an Iraqi anthrax weapon, wet or dry. According to Dr. Richard Spertzel, UNSCOM inspectors have only found DNA from the Vollum 1B strain, but no samples from an actual weapon. In previous interviews that I have conducted with Dr. Ken Alibek, he said the anthrax powder produced by the former Soviet Union contained no electrostatic charge.

The Science article is the culmination of a year-long investigation. Several staff editors and correspondents reviewed it. The magazine also took the unusual step of having scientists critique the article, which is standard practice for peer-reviewed scientific papers, but not news articles. Five Ph.D. scientists who specialize in B. anthracis , biotechnology and molecular chemistry reviewed the article for publication. All endorsed the scientific content.

In general, I think it is a dubious practice to extrapolate occult meanings from an author's syntax, or to impute ulterior motives merely because an author reports facts that inconveniently skewer a pet theory. When in doubt, ask. The Science article is not a Dead Sea scroll. The authors, and his editors, are alive and willing to answer questions.

-Gary Matsumoto-

76 posted on 12/03/2003 12:41:29 PM PST by TrebleRebel (If you're new to the internet, CLICK HERE.)
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