ANTHRAX POWDER - STATE OF THE ART?

Science ^ | 11/27/2003 | Gary Matsumoto

[TrebleRebel]

These are not musings from "popular media"....

[Shermy]

Ping. A MUST read for the FR Anthrax-Busters.

[Mitchell]

Ping.

[Allan]

ping

[Shermy]

"Popular media"...feed them candy like the ridiculous supposed hoax letter connections...they follow...well, some don't.

[Cicero]

Good article, confirming what we have read elsewhere.

[Bobby777]

are there any previous links between Hatfill and the apparent targets? ... I haven't followed it that close so I don't know ...

[TrebleRebel]

Everything you wanted to know about anthrax (and perhaps didn't want to know), and related links, can be found here:

Anthrax 2001

[Sabertooth]

Silica has been a staple in professionally engineered germ warfare powders for decades. (The Soviet Union added to its powders resin and a silica dust called Aerosil–a formulation requiring high heat to create nanoparticles, says Alibek. U. S. labs have tested an Aerosil variant called Cab-O-Sil, and declassified U. S. intelligence reports state that Iraq's chemical and biological warfare labs imported tons of both Cab-O-Sil and Aerosil, also known as "solid smoke," in the 1980s).

Previously posted here...

I found this old Iraqi internet request for for a supplier of Aerosil or Cab-o-sil, among other things, through a Ukrainian company called TP consulting. The date of the request was April 26th, 2001. It originally appeared here, but that link now requires a login. I was able to find it cached via Google...

Enter (on back to day): 655

Subject:
Iraq export

The text:



MS
We are consultend office here in the Netherlands. We cooperate with our partners in Amman(Jordan) and Baghdad (Iraq)
We seeking all over the world companies which are interested to supply Iraq with all kind of medical equipment.
Attached the past tender,closed 26-04-01.
The next tender is end of June, for A.C.A.I.- factory, BaghdadAll prices must be in Euro,C.I.F.Baghdad incl 12-15% our commission.If you are interested to take part on the coming tender and future,we can give you all details.
Waiting your soon reply
Kind regards
Brotiek Liebrand bv
Adrie Liebrand
Afram Georgis
Castaert 88
5688 PG Oirschot
the Netherlands




No.
It item and Specifications Qty

1-
Saccharine Sod. :

White crystalline powder and follow other B.P. 88 specifications .
3'350

Kg

2-
Sodium Benzoate : According to the B.P. 88 with the considering of the following specifications .

1) Characters : white granular or crystalline powder .

2) Loss on drying :- not more than 1.5 %
8'450.00

Kg

3-
C.M.C. Sodium : Its specifications comply with USP. 23, in addition to the following specifications .

1) Viscosity :- 1% solution of C.M.C. ; 275 ± 20 CP at 250 C using rotatory apparatus .

2) Particle size : fine powder , 100% pass through sieve mesh 65µ m pours .

3) Microbial limit test : according to the USP 23 , monograph C.M.C.
9'494

Kg

4-
Magnesium Stearate : According B.P. 88 with the addition of the following specifications .

1) Microbial test . U.S.P. 23

2) Loss on drying :- not more than 4.0%

3) Density 1.03 - 1.08 g/cm3

4) Bulk volume 3 - 8.4 ml/gm

5) Tapped volume 2.5 - 6.2 ml/gm

6) Melting point 88.5 C
2'100

Kg

5-
Aerosil 200 : ( colloidal silicon dioxide ) : According to the U.S.P. 23 specifications , NF monograph .

Or - CAB - O- SIL grade M-5

Loss on drying at 1050 C 0.25 %

Tapped density 41 g/ L

PH = (1:25 Aqueous dispersion ) 3.5 - 4.4

Surface area 200 ± 25 (BET method )

Particle size 12nm
6'800

Kg

6-
Sucrose : According to the B.P. 88
630'000

Kg

7-
Silicon oil : (Dimethicone 350 ) (Specifications : Silicon Fluid , transparent - helder , viscosity 350 cps .

Silicon Oil will be used for Siliconization of sterile injectable vials and rubber stoppers for these vials .
480

Liters

8-
Raspberry flavor :

1) White near off white powder of raspberry taste and smell .

2) Moisture :- not more than 8 %

3) Arsenic & lead :- not more than 1p.p.m.

4) Microbial limit test :- pass .
5'000

Kg

9-
Pineapple flavor :

1) White to yellow fine powder of pineapple taste and smell .

2) Moisture :- not more than 10% .

3) Arsenic & lead not more than 1.p.p.m.

4) Microbial limit test :- pass.
6'500

Kg




E-Mail: a.liebrand@chello.nl

Google cache LINK

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About TP enterprises...

The versatile company "TP consulting" was established with the purpose of the operative and individual decision of each of the tasks, put by the client. The company does all its best for professional and operative servicing of the clients.

When "TP consulting" services are necessary?

At fluctuations during decision taking concerning the choosing of the partner!
· At lack of the true information!
· When it is necessary to adjust interaction with the dealers, with the distributors, with the trade companies, with the suppliers!
· At first (successful!?) steps in the new market!
· On the peak of success in achievement, at new scales of tasks!
· In the critical moments!
· When nothing causes the doubts!

Our address: 4 Gorodetskogo str., Kiev, Ukraine.
The address for the correspondence: Box. 41., Kiev 34, 01034, Ukraine.
Working hours: from 9 am. - 6 pm. Kiev time.

Tel. 380 (044) 247-1555
Fax (USA)(240) 337-4764

380442471555@sms.gt.kiev.ua (SMS up to 120 marks!).

E-Mail: cooperation@tp.com.ua

TP consulting | main page

[Gritty]

BTTT

[Betty Jo]

Gee, could a bunch of Harvard trained terrs using terr owned/controlled bio-pharm-tech companies like Hybridon do this?

Why the feds dont want us to know that the terrs anthraxed America is beyond me.

[Betty Jo]

Wow!

They use !!!!!! just like I do!

[TrebleRebel]

The same reason why I've been following the story of the Baltic Sky since its crew was arrested.

Ukrainian Sailors of "Baltic Sky" Assert They Fulfilled Orders of Captain, and He Asserts that All Permits Were Registered by Ship Owners

Apparently this ship was carrying enough explosives to blow the Sudan off the map.

[Shermy]

Here’s some takes on the article

1. Though the article allows that the technology could be from many states and corporations, if it were an American govt. product Batelle would be the place to look. IOW, NOT Detrick and thereby NOT Hatfill and not some doctor with access to germs but a germweapon production expert.

2. The theme that one year after, the FBI apparently changed its tune. Conveniently, this change sought evidence to prove the Lone Scientist (ie Hatfill) theory. Were some people more concerned with a prosecution (or cover up) than the truth? If one wanted to know how the Senate anthrax was made, wouldn’t one tell Dugway the ingredients? The author is subtle on this point…but isn’t it outrageous? Dugway was told to replicate NOT the anthrax found, but a hypothetical anthrax that someone like Hatfill could make with his abilities. Some could say it was just another charade.

3. What was Mr. Meselson’s involvement? He has an interesting history, to say the least, with Sverdlovsk, Laos, etc. He always seems to take the line the Soviets/Russians are in compliance, unless presented with obvious proof otherwise. Strange. How much did he (or any other person) participate, even influence and guide the investigation? He has quite a bit of “authority” that might be compelling to some. He even publicly participated by writing a letter leading the public away from silica. You may know that Meselson was the president of the FAS before Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. Early in the case she spoke of three or four scientists she knew that came to the conclusion that Hatfill was involved. Was Meselson one of them? And Alibek, is he misleading, or has he been misled and the authority of his name misused? Does he really know how to read the pics presented, or was he urged to a conclusion?

4. The polymerized glass. What exactly was the chemical make-up? Wouldn’t release of that information help trace it.

5. Finally, for now…Does Dr. Kay in Iraq know about the anthrax make-up? He could have been misled to, or not told the other story. A recent story here had him mention that “Alpha” revealed interesting new weaponized anthrax production techniques…well, was using polymerized glass one of them?

[Shermy]

Gee, could a bunch of Harvard trained terrs using terr owned/controlled bio-pharm-tech companies like Hybridon do this?

I'm guessing, but when this info travels, there may be a lot of younger generation scientists in the Western pharmaceutical industries, and older generation Soviet guys, who'll recognize the process...just not our old-school biowarriors.

Here's another question for you. NOtice that via Alibek the US knows that the Soviets/Russians developed similar tech? Well, did anyone tell Alibek about the polymerized glass for his opinion. And if no, why the hell not?

[genefromjersey]

I think you'll find the contents of this article are what the FBI didn't want us to know - presumably because they feared some bushy-chinned terrorist could whip up a batch in the boondocks.

Why didn't Patrick and Alibek recognize what they saw ?
Possibly it was light years beyond what they had worked on !
Yesterday's research has a way of becoming "old hat" fast.

Just for the hell of it, let's rule out Russia,Iraq,Algeria,Syria,and Iran.
(Again, this is just for argument's sake !)

That would leave us: Pakistan,India,China, and N. Korea.
Let me do a bit of research and get back to this...

[Shermy]

Why didn't Patrick and Alibek recognize what they saw ?

Good point. Maybe they were too trusting, wanting to be part of the public discussion, and took a few steps beyond their knowledge, perhaps with some nudging by others with an agenda or prejudice.

[Shermy]

Alpha and Charlie Reveal Secrets of Iraq's Anthrax Weaponization Techniques

"...Two top Iraqi scientists, codenamed Charlie and Alpha, are helping the coalition to learn more about Iraq's anthrax programme, Kay said. The Iraqis had made shocking innovations in the milling and drying processes needed to weaponise anthrax. Almost every week there is a new discovery that boggles your mind, Kay said. ..."

[SevenDaysInMay]

What we do know is that during this same period, hundreds of years of experience was killed off with the loss of some dozen of the world-class micro-biologists and bio-chemists here in the states and among our Allied nations.

Who dun it?

Get ready, Folks. We're in for WAR.