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You don't get it. Modern Muslims (at leat the ones I know) believe that the Koran was written for a specific moment in history, and that phrases saying to kill infidels has no application to modern times. so.

Do they cite passages in the Koran that anticipate a time of modernism, when the initial precepts of Islam could be discarded?

There are certainly passages in the Koran where Muslims are given leave to lie to you and me about their intentions.

I don't see many Jews or Christians sacrificing animals because the Bible says

Christians aren't instructed to sacrifice animals, the sacrifice of Christ is sufficient.

Jews, as I recall, conduct their sacrifices in a Temple, and there isn't one at the moment.

These militant muslims HAVE hijacked a religion based on THEIR interpretation of the Koran.

They're actually interpreting the Koran as written. Jihad is integral to Islam.

Mohammed evangelized through jihad.

There are also different 'beliefs' in Christianity- Baptists, Methodist, Catholics, etc. They all differ in their beliefs. But it is their belief in Jesus Christ that binds them- and keeps them peaceful.

How would belief in the God of Mohammed, which binds Muslims, ever keep them peaceful?

Perhaps someday there will be a faction of Christians who take up arms in the name of their God against what they deem as false religions.

Perhaps, but they won't be able to cite the words of Jesus to do so.

The reason why a Reformation of Christianity was possible was because it had undergone a deformation to achieve its excesses.

The excesses of Islam are true to Mohammed. "Islam means peace" is a deformation.

A Muslim who truly believes in pluralism, and doesn't desire Islamic government and the institution of sharia law, is actually a heretic to Islam. There is no secular tradition in Islam; no equivalent to Jesus' dictum: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto God that which is God's.

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Do they cite passages in the Koran that anticipate a time of modernism, when the initial precepts of Islam could be discarded? There are certainly passages in the Koran where Muslims are given leave to lie to you and me about their intentions.

No, they take a practical view of their faith and apply it to daily life. And rather than to be the skeptic and think they are lying to me- knowing that all people can and do lie regardless of their religious belief- I look for the good in people. If I am wrong, then so be it. Christians aren't instructed to sacrifice animals, the sacrifice of Christ is sufficient. Jews, as I recall, conduct their sacrifices in a Temple, and there isn't one at the moment.

But the Bible is a WHOLE document which gives the history of God and Christ. If you can say that accepting Christ's sacrifice is enough, then why can't Muslims also choose which parts of the Koran to believe and which parts to dismiss? Jews don't believe Christ is the son of God. Are they wrong also?

They're actually interpreting the Koran as written. Jihad is integral to Islam. Mohammed evangelized through jihad.

Yes, and??? Written as they interpret it. Like the Bible, the Koran has been written and interpreted differently over thousands of years. If it meant the same to all Muslims, then you would see all Muslims being terrorists. If one would go by what you just said, then there can be only one true religion based on the Bible. So what is it? Christianity? Judism? Factions of Christianity??? Every single one of them believe something different. Which one is right? And which Bible version is right? King James, NIV?

How would belief in the God of Mohammed, which binds Muslims, ever keep them peaceful?

Why not ask the peaceful Muslims here in the US?

Muslim who truly believes in pluralism, and doesn't desire Islamic government and the institution of sharia law, is actually a heretic to Islam. There is no secular tradition in Islam; no equivalent to Jesus' dictum: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto God that which is God's.

That is your opinion. But let me ask you this. What if modern/moderate Muslims believe the militants are wrong and are heretics to Islam? Isn't it entirely possible that the radical element of Islam is causing a secular movement within Islam?