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Bush says Muslims and Christians Worship Same God
CNN | 11/20/03

Posted on 11/20/2003 4:54:20 AM PST by truthandlife

I was watching the Tony Blair and President Bush press conference and an American reporter asked a question on the lines of do you believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

President Bush said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God!!!!


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KEYWORDS: atrw; bush; catholiclist; christianity; deathcult; faith; heresy; islam; islamonazis
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To: PhilipFreneau

Does that make your screen name code for a snide, trollish, hate-filled insulter unable to cosntruct arguments to back his prejudices and lacking the intelligence to debate, slings his dung and hoots at those who's positions he has not even tried to comprehend?

Since we're reading fiction into screen names -- why not?

201 posted on 11/20/2003 7:06:06 AM PST by pcx99
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To: Rudder
How many Gods are there, anyway?

As many as man can imagine.

202 posted on 11/20/2003 7:06:29 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Right-wing Internet wacko")
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To: Jacvin; Commie Basher
Thanks for posting the Credo. The Catholic Church never said she alone holds all spiritual truth, only that in she alone is found the fullness of grace.
203 posted on 11/20/2003 7:06:50 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: AppyPappy
Exactly right, as usual.
204 posted on 11/20/2003 7:07:04 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Prodigal Son
Is that where the saying "The devil's in the details" comes from?
205 posted on 11/20/2003 7:07:20 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Cultural Jihad
Don't take anyone's word for it. Go and see for yourself. Maybe there's really 720.

Some say they are the chilled or white raisins.

206 posted on 11/20/2003 7:07:34 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Prodigal Son
Interpretation is the key then is it not?

Special interpretation is not usually required. Read the Koran for yourself.

207 posted on 11/20/2003 7:10:36 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: pcx99
Now Mohamed may very well be a false prophet (and I'm very inclined to agree that he is) and the spin he placed on the judeah core of the religion is also therefore false but the same exact God is being worshiped.

Do you know what the Law of Non-Contradiction is? That Law says that you are wrong. Logic always wins. The muslim God is monotheistic, but Jesus is not God and Allah is not a triune God. In Christianity, God is triune, and Jesus is God. Conclusion: This cannot possibly be the same God as these two groups have different idea of Who God is. Both cannot be true at the same time. Logic doesn't allow it. Therefore, you are wrong as wrong can be.

208 posted on 11/20/2003 7:10:39 AM PST by exmarine (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Dr Warmoose
Cut the dramatics, it does not work with me.
209 posted on 11/20/2003 7:10:46 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
It is possible to have different beliefs and yet believe in the same God. Of course, depending on what you believe, you might not agree with that.
210 posted on 11/20/2003 7:10:50 AM PST by rintense
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To: vigilo
Absolutely right. And, as I say, should be a "duh."

Subjectively, this has always been one of the greatest confirmations of Biblical truth to me: the apparent general inability of otherwise intellectually-bright people even to grasp (let alone believe) the things of God (a la 1 Corinthians 2:14). Sometimes there is the ability to parrot them; often, not even that.

Dan
211 posted on 11/20/2003 7:11:14 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: RockyMtnMan
I would say that Romans 1 is applicable here:

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

"Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things." -- v. 18-23

In other words, I'd say Muslims (and everybody else) can recognize the existence of God, and even some of his qualities, merely from observing the physical world... but they rejected His truth for lies & became corrupted.

212 posted on 11/20/2003 7:11:23 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: All
Better that President Bush answer such a question "I know which God I worship. Let each man judge for himself which god he worships" than to insult a billion Muslims. And what he has just done is insult a billion Muslims--or at least the honest and informed among them.

Christians believe Jesus Christ is God, seamlessly intergral of the Trinity of God. Similarly, Christians believe The Holy Spirit is God, seamlessly integral of the Trinity of God. Indeed, denial of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin.

Muslims do not believe Jesus Christ is God, nor is there any place or space for the inbreathed Holy Spirit within their beliefs. Far, far from it. They judge such beliefs as demonic lies.

Now, Muslims cannot plead ignorance of Jesus Christ. They acknowledge him as a prophet, but only a prophet--and a lesser prophet than Muhammad, the "seal of the prophets." But they steadfastly deny he is the Son of God; they repudiate as a blatant, evil lie any suggestion that he died on the cross and was resurrected.

According to Christian belief, to deny Jesus Christ, to deny his death and resurrection, is to deny his Father, God. Such denial certainly doesn't qualify as the worship of the Father, God.

So let us ask again, from the perspective of the Muhammad and the Koran--do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

Clearly, in a theological sense, fully informed and honest Muslims and Christians do NOT worship the same God. At most it may be said they recognize the existence of the same God.

But President Bush says Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Why is his assertion that they do, with its inescapable core implications, not offensive to Muslims?

At this point, the Christian and Muslim religions are inherently and unchangebly opposed at their cores. Any honest and informed answer to the question, "Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God" will point up this fundamental opposition.

For a Christian to deny this fundamental disagreement and say that Muslims and Christians do worship the same God, will not be understood by an honest and informed Muslim as praise and a healing compliment, but will be heard as rank blaspemy, an insult of the highest order.

213 posted on 11/20/2003 7:11:34 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: RockyMtnMan
Is that where the saying "The devil's in the details" comes from?

Perhaps.

214 posted on 11/20/2003 7:11:51 AM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: truthandlife
This could do in his whole Presidency.

I don't see that happening.

215 posted on 11/20/2003 7:12:01 AM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (If the Rapture is coming, should I insist on a non-Christian pilot?)
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To: A. Pole
Sorry, not interested in what "some say." Go and see for yourself.
216 posted on 11/20/2003 7:12:06 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
Special interpretation is not usually required. Read the Koran for yourself.

And reading the Koran would demonstrate to me what exactly?

217 posted on 11/20/2003 7:12:30 AM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: truthandlife
Yes it well may be the same God but they demand their version of that God is better and therefore they are dutiful bound to kill us........
218 posted on 11/20/2003 7:13:11 AM PST by JamesA (Stand together, stand your ground and don't back down. Its ours to lose!)
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To: Walkin Man
You are generalizing all Muslims as terrorists. That is simply not correct. If so, then the exact same reasoning could be applied to those who murder abortion doctors in the name of Christianity.
219 posted on 11/20/2003 7:13:19 AM PST by rintense
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To: Prodigal Son
LOL, but even if I were apolitical, there would still be a nation. I was born in it. I can stand on it and touch it.

Interesting topic which deserves another thread. I will digress briefly. If you reduce your world to what you can see or touch, your life will be very impoverished. Even the nation cannot be seen directly. So the love, goodness, truth and beauty.

220 posted on 11/20/2003 7:13:34 AM PST by A. Pole
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