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Bush says Muslims and Christians Worship Same God
CNN | 11/20/03

Posted on 11/20/2003 4:54:20 AM PST by truthandlife

I was watching the Tony Blair and President Bush press conference and an American reporter asked a question on the lines of do you believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

President Bush said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God!!!!


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To: Stop Legal Plunder
The Bible teaches that God created man out of "the dust of the ground" and..." (Gen 2:7).

Dust Bunnies.

121 posted on 11/20/2003 6:17:09 AM PST by Consort
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To: truthandlife; carton253; xzins; Revelation 911; P-Marlowe
Muslims believe in heaven and hell. Allah predetermines the eternal destiny of each person...

Sounds like Calvinism. ;-)

But seriesly, do you want a President or a Preacher?

Historically, the Allah of Islam is the God of Abraham. Islam has perverted their belief of the character and the nature of God, but they have not created a new deity.

122 posted on 11/20/2003 6:18:22 AM PST by Corin Stormhands ( www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
Like it or not, the god of Islam and the God of Christianity are NOT one.

Well, for us non-believers, how are we supposed to tell the difference? Christians say they believe in Jesus and Muslims say the same thing- in fact they will issue a fatwah against you for insulting Christ. Muslims say they worship the God of Abraham and Jews say the same thing. From the non-believer's perspective it all looks about the same frankly.

123 posted on 11/20/2003 6:19:51 AM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: Wallace T.
President Bush is perhaps playing to a popular "unity in diversity" theme, sort of a revival of the old saw, "the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man." He is practicing a type of American civil religion that was expressed by Dwight Eisenhower 50 years ago in words to the effect that our political system was founded on a belief in God, but that he didn't care whose God it was. Bush's statement and that of Eisenhower may make political sense, but they do not make religious sense.

Or they do as a expression of liberal Protestantism mixed with the syncretic deism of the lodges. Faced with the fierce zeal of real Islam this wishful thinking turns into absurd.

124 posted on 11/20/2003 6:20:08 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Corin Stormhands
"Sounds like Calvinism. ;-) "

Hard to argue with that point.
125 posted on 11/20/2003 6:21:15 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Cicero
It would be wrong for him to gratuitously offend a billion Muslims and draw them together against us. Better to pretend that Islam is really a nice religion, which will tend to split them.

You could be right. Especially that offending Christians is not so risky. They will turn the second cheek instead of smashing your face. :)

126 posted on 11/20/2003 6:22:10 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; LadyDoc

Exactly. It's been an old, bloody story, misusing and abusing religion in order to gain power. Every disinherited prince stirred the religion pot to inflame the populace in order to grab power from his brother, the peasants be damned. It's happening now with al Qaeda using Islam to gain power, and the Muslims be damned for all they care, too.

127 posted on 11/20/2003 6:22:17 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: lady lawyer
Point taken about Abraham... I didn't write that very thoughtfully.

I believe all three faiths are praying to the same God. But, as a Christian, I believe that only those who accept Christ are the new "chosen" people. That is written much harsher than I mean. It's just that Christians follow Christ, and believe he is the only way to heaven.

I have great respect for people of faith, and I leave the "sorting" out to God. It isn't my place to judge. And I can only worry about my own salvation, others are responsible for their own. Each follows their own path, and ends up where they belong, according the the will of God.
128 posted on 11/20/2003 6:22:32 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
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To: pcx99
The question is only if the big three religions all worship the same God. Since all three religions sprang from the old testement then at the core they MUST, by definition have the same God.

That isn't necessarily so. If this were the case, then after the flood, you would only have followers of the ONE G-d. If this were the case then YHVH wouldn't have had to admonish those that went seeking after 'other' gods.

I do think though that this is why various religions of the world have 'similarities'. After the flood, YHVH made a covenant with all mankind. ALL mankind. The descendants of Noah are Gentiles. At this time, everyone was Gentile. There were certain commands given after the flood and these became the Noahide Covenant. YHVH gave a sign for this covenant. The rainbow. After the flood, people dispersed, taking the Noahide covenant with them. In time however, 'traditions of men' crept in.

After Sinai, there were two sets of laws. Noahide and Mosaic. The Noahide laws are less stringent and are for gentiles. The Mosaic are more strict, they encompass the Noahide, but they also get extra laws, most of which are applied to their 'priests' and such.

Israelites/Jews and Gentiles/rest of mankind, were meant to have a special interlocking relationship. They were/are supposed to be supportive of each other, offering encouragement to one another, to help each other remain on YHVH's path. So that, we ALL can do YHVH's will.

Anyone not an Israelite/Jew is a Gentile. No matter what faith you label yourself with, or where you live. You are a Gentile.

Pertaining to 'other' religions or belief systems. Avesta, Confuscious, Buddha, and of course Judaism all predate 'Christianity'. Some of these have their 'branches', just as Christianity has its branches. There are 3 common denominators. 1) belief in G-d, 2) code of ethics and 3) royal law (do unto others).

Whether one calls the code of ethics (conduct), the 10 commandments (Judaism), or The Ten Charges (Buddhism, Khuddaka Patha), or Laws of Manu (Hinduism), or Tatthvarthasutra (Jainism), or the Precious Garland (Buddhism, Nagarjuna), or The Negative Confession (Egyptian Book of the Dead)... what they call it is a moot point. The point is, they have a set of rules or laws governing their conduct. And within these rules they have the royal law, of doing unto others.

"Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." (Confucianism. Mencius VII.A.4 ) Confucious predates Christ by about 500 years.

The differences between various religions, seems to be based on culture and/or when they existed, and agendas, inserted by whoever was in 'control' at the time. (Traditions of men)

So, you see, no matter what label one applies to their faith, they are still a gentile, BUT if they are keeping the commandments they are doing YHVH's will, and thus have a place in the heavenly Kingdom. People can belong to any group and still be keeping the commandments of YHVH. The labels are meaningless, and only separate people, much like the hyphenated-American garbage, compartmentalizes people.

There is only ONE G-d, but there are 'false' gods out there. For instance ancient Egypt had tons of 'lesser' gods, also known as 'patron gods'. Not any different than the 'patron saints' of the Catholic church. Here are some examples: Those with the * are the Catholic equivalent. Anhur ( Anhert, Anhuret, Greek Onuris ) Egyptian warrior and hunter god. * Eustachius; * Hubert of Liege
Bastet ( Bast, Ubasti ) Egyptian goddess of the home and pregnant women. * Elizabeth, * Ulric Ptah, Egyptian god of artisans, designers, builders, metal workers, architects and masons. * Thomas the Apostle, * Blaise Isdes, She was a goddess of Heliopolis. * Mark the Evangelist,
* Francis of Assisi

Most of the Catholic topics have more than one 'patron saint'. You can check them out here

The important thing is keeping YHVH's commandments.

129 posted on 11/20/2003 6:22:52 AM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: Prodigal Son
Well, for us non-believers, how are we supposed to tell the difference?

Very simple - read Old/New Testament and read Koran. Then you will know.

130 posted on 11/20/2003 6:23:49 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: truthandlife
We may all have the same God, but muslims sure don't worship him thru their satanically inspired death cult, and his name ain't allah.
131 posted on 11/20/2003 6:24:15 AM PST by gawatchman
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To: Snowy
How would you have answered the question?

"The god of Islam and the God of Christianity are not the same, but Muslims and Christians can still work together on issues of common concern, like fighting terrorism."

To the inevitable followup question:

"This is not a theology seminar, so I'm going to decline to elaborate. My response speaks for itself. Next question."

132 posted on 11/20/2003 6:24:47 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Wait4Truth
By definition, there can be only one Almighty.
133 posted on 11/20/2003 6:26:28 AM PST by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: Miss Marple
No, I am not saying that. And I don't mean that Bush is not either. But his wording is contrary to what the Bible says. I am not saying we wipe them out. I am saying we confront their religious beliefs as they are. By offering an opinion that their beliefs are equal to ours, we are saying that it is okay to believe what they do. It isn't.

Just becuase we both use the Old Testament as a reference does not mean that our god is the same. They believe in a distorion of what we hold to be true. They believe in a false god. Their belief is so contrary to ours that they have distorted the Christian God to the point thet it is no longer the Christian God. Muhammad would be a false messiah in one sense. They have hijacked a religion and a a true God. Historically, it is the same entity that they worship. That is it. From there they have created a false religion and a god that does not exist.

134 posted on 11/20/2003 6:26:44 AM PST by milan
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To: Miss Marple
I don't know why people can't see this. The President is trying very hard not to say that this fight is a clash of civilizations... The media keeps baiting him. He is avoiding the trap... and Christians are running around screaming, "Off with his head."

I am a Christian. I do not believe that Allah and Jehovah are the same. The demotion of Jesus makes it so. Yet, I can understand the strategry of this President avoiding the trap of forcing this battle onto a religious front. I don't under why Christians react in such a kneejerk way everytime the President speaks.

And Muslims believe that we all worship the same God as do many Christian scholars.

135 posted on 11/20/2003 6:27:15 AM PST by carton253 (To win the War on Terror, raise at once the black flag!)
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To: KantianBurke
I know some monks from the 4th century who would like to have a word with you :>

You must be pretty old ;)

136 posted on 11/20/2003 6:27:44 AM PST by milan
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To: Snowy
Calm down. I did it to prove a point. He is not makeing a Christian statement by saying they worship the same God as us. They do not. He could be doing it for one of many reasons, but the fact remains it is contrary to Christian teachings...how could it be the same God?
137 posted on 11/20/2003 6:30:20 AM PST by milan
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To: milan
Matter of fact, we may only have one Muslim country that we can consider allies...Kuwait.

Wrong!

Bahrain, Oman, UAE, Qatar (where our command headquarters are), and the Stans throughout Central Asia.

138 posted on 11/20/2003 6:31:28 AM PST by carton253 (To win the War on Terror, raise at once the black flag!)
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
Like it or not, the god of Islam and the God of Christianity are NOT one.

We should hang out some time.

139 posted on 11/20/2003 6:31:35 AM PST by milan
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To: Cultural Jihad
read 105
140 posted on 11/20/2003 6:32:37 AM PST by milan
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