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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 19-23
Various | November 18, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/18/2003 5:41:24 PM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 9 - November 19-23)
Link back to thread 8 (Nov. 14-18)

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Contained in Thread 8:

Contact info for Judge Greer and the 6th DCA, link to argument between Pat Anderson and Judge Greer, Judge Baird's predetermination of the case, timeline of Terri's case, statutes being violated (also here) in Terri's case, contact information for Bernie McCabe and Jay Wolfson ( link to a better address for Bernie McCabe), super contact list for Florida courts, legislature, Senate and Washington, link to Gov. Bush's amicus curiae brief, Responding to Patients in the Persistent Vegetative State , a Christian parspective, PC93's letter of complaint against Michael Schiavo to demand criminal investigation and more contact information, contact information for the Florida Committee on guardianship, testimony of Jackie Rhodes, interesting article Is Wife-icide Legal In Florida(?), contact information for investigative ops and judicial operations, transcript of the Hannity and Colmes interview with the Schindlers, links to transcripts of other shows on Terri's case, contact information for Fox News shows, address to send Terri's birthday cards and contact information for advocacy center investigating Terri's abuse and neglect.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

A "Painless" Death?

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990? (Nat Hentoff)

His Fight to Give Terri Schiavo Communion

Terri's family appeals to Oprah fans

Terri Schiavo's Fight

Court Issues New Stay in Schiavo Case

Judge calls Terri's Law intrusive

Mom kept hope for girl who came out of vegetative state

Hannity & Colmes Tonight - Monday, 11-17-03 - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Parents

"Terri's Lights" Campaign Raises Awareness of Terri Schiavo's Plight

Catholic Media Coalition Declares November 30, 2003 "Theresa Schindler Schiavo Day"

Terri's dad: 'She's literally been a prisoner'

Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST



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To: sweetliberty
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21 posted on 11/18/2003 9:31:53 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
Amen,......More Grace and Mercy,.......In Jesus' Precious Name, Amen!!!
22 posted on 11/18/2003 9:33:37 PM PST by maestro
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To: KDubRN
I wonder if they slipped her medication before doctor visits so she would appear at her worst.
23 posted on 11/18/2003 9:37:00 PM PST by Aliska
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To: KDubRN
Whoa wait a second I dont' understand your post.
You wrote: Carla Sauer Iyer did an A&E & NBC special this eve.

My questions- Who is Carla Sauer? What is A & E? who is Hammesfahr?

You wrote: Carla had to move because MS was stalking her in the past, while she went to court over the insulin bottles.
My question: What is the story with the insulin bottles? I don't rmemeber reading anything about insulin.

You wrote at the end of your post:When we find out when Carla will be on A&E, I shall let you know
My question: But at the top of your post you said she was on A & E tonight already.

I am more than anxious to write letters and make phone calls plese help me out and expalin a little bit more that way I will know what to write. AND THANKS you are an asset to all of us who are tryng to help Terri.
24 posted on 11/18/2003 9:37:39 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
Please see above link about what you can do for Terri on Her birthday. I'm surprised there is no mention for Mass Intentions for her.

Please if you are Catholic have a Mass Intention for Terri on or near her Birthday, December 3.
25 posted on 11/18/2003 9:40:00 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Carla Iyer is one of the 3 affidavits from healthcare workers who took care of Terri at the rehab center where she stayed after her collapse.

A & E = Art & Entertainment - a television cable show

You can read about insulin bottles in Carla's affidavit. I believe it's linked on terrisfight.org.

My understanding is that the show was filmed tonight for later broadcast.

26 posted on 11/18/2003 9:46:02 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: KDubRN
More questions on your post #14
You wrote:this ought to give us even more incentive to raise the roof with LE and judiciary in the state of Fl

My question: What is "LE"?
Sorry to be so dense I'm sure I am the straggler and everyone else gets it but me.
27 posted on 11/18/2003 9:48:22 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Coleus; Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Excellent idea to have a mass intention for Terri. I'm sure many catholics are praying for her.

In answer to the poster's question, "Who is Carla Iyer?"

Disabled Woman Would Cry 'Help Me,' Caregivers Claim
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
September 03, 2003

(Editor's note: This report contains quoted language and descriptions of alleged multiple instances of denied medical care that some readers may find offensive.)

(CNSNews.com) - A federal judge Tuesday refused to stop a Florida court from ordering the removal of a disabled woman's feeding tube at the request of her husband. However, the judge gave the woman's parents ten days to amend their lawsuit against the husband, the hospital caring for the woman and the hospice where she is being kept in anticipation of her death by starvation or dehydration. The lawsuit also named the husband's attorney as a "non-party co-conspirator" to the alleged violations.

Robert and Mary Schindler filed an emergency complaint Saturday with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida in Tampa in an effort to block their daughter's husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, from moving forward with plans to remove his wife's feeding tube. Thirty-nine year old Terri Schindler Schiavo suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. That injury, complicated by a lack of therapy for more than a decade, has required that she be given nutrition and hydration through a gastrostomy or "feeding tube."

Since receiving a $1.2 million medical malpractice award on behalf of his wife, Schiavo has provided only subsistence care for her and, based on affidavits included with the Schindlers' suit, allegedly forbidden medical professionals from providing his wife with any therapy or rehabilitation. He is currently allowing her to receive limited medical treatment for a severe infection under a court order.

Former caregivers file affidavits supporting allegations

Three medical professionals who had cared for Terri in the past filed affidavits accompanying the lawsuit, disputing Michael Schiavo's claims that his wife was in a "Persistent Vegetative State," which is the requirement under Florida law for a feeding tube to be removed. The medical experts also chronicled a long history of alleged denial of care and therapy by Schiavo.

Carolyn Johnson, a Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA), cared for Terri in a nursing home in the early 1990s. She described her shock at being ordered not to provide the same care for Terri as a patient in the same room with a similar brain injury was receiving.

"I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri," Johnson explained. "Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri's hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this, as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation."

Another CNA, Heidi Law, cared for Terri at a convalescent center in the mid and late 1990s. Law described similar orders she received not to encourage Mrs. Schiavo's recovery.

"I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out," Law alleged in her affidavit. "Even though they were ordered, Michael [Schiavo] would stop them. Michael [Schiavo] ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy."

Law also alleged that her attempts to document Terri's potential for improvement were thwarted.

"I made extensive notes and listed all of Terri's behaviors, but there was never any apparent follow-up consistent with her responsiveness," Law said. "There were trash cans at the nurses stations that we were supposed to empty each shift, and I often saw the notes in them."

Law directly disputes Michael Schiavo's claim that Terri is in a Persistent Vegetative State, as well. In her affidavit, she detailed how she routinely provided Terri with a wet washcloth filled with ice chips to keep her mouth moistened and, on at least three occasions, fed Terri flavored gelatin.

"I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag. [Another CAN] and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy," Law recalled. "On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jell-O, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely."

Nurse recalls Schiavo asking, 'When is that bitch gonna die?'

Carla Sauer Iyer was a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) at the same convalescent center in the mid 1990s, and also cared for Terri. She described Mr. Schiavo as being "focused on Terri's death.

"Michael [Schiavo] would say, 'When is she going to die? Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch going to die?'" Iyer charged. "Other statements which I recall him making include, 'Can't anything be done to accelerate her death, won't she ever die?' When she wouldn't die, Michael [Schiavo] would be furious."

Conversely, Iyer said that when she would have to call Schiavo to inform him of a downturn in Terri's condition, Schiavo would be elated.

"Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die," Iyer recalled. "He would blurt out, 'I'm going to be rich,' and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat and going to Europe, among other things."

Iyer also described incidents of Terri Schiavo talking, moving voluntarily and responding to external stimuli, descriptions that Iyer said were removed from Mrs. Schiavo's medical records. Both Law and Iyer reported Terri verbally communicating, also contradicting Michael Schiavo's claim that his wife was in a Persistent Vegetative State.

"During the time I cared for Terri, she formed words. I have heard her say 'mommy' from time to time, and 'momma,'" Law recalled. "She also said 'help me' a number of times."

Iyer described Terri as "alert and oriented," and said Michael Schiavo "systematically distorted" Terri's medical condition.

"Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as 'mommy' and 'help me,'" Iyer recalled. "'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times."

Attorney named as 'non-party co-conspirator' to civil rights violations

The lawsuit filed by Terri's parents accuses Schiavo, both personally and in his official capacity as Terri's legal guardian, of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act for refusing to provide appropriate medical care and rehabilitation therapy, which are required by the law and for seeking to deprive her of nutrition and hydration, which is forbidden by the law.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney and a noted author and advocate in Florida's so-called "right to die" movement, is also named as a "non-party co-conspirator" in the lawsuit. The Schindlers allege that Schiavo, with Felos' help, sought to deprive Terri of her due process rights under the Fifth and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

The suit charges that Terri was denied a guardian ad litem during most of the legal proceedings in which her husband sought to end her life and, the remainder of the time, suffered from "ineffective assistance of counsel, due process violations, and blatant conflict of interest with Terri's guardian, defendant Michael Schiavo," who is responsible for seeing that her legal interests are represented.

The only guardian ad litem and the only attorney to represent Terri prior to her parents' intervention in the case were removed when the attorney suggested that Michael Schiavo had a conflict of interest that prohibited him from serving as Terri's guardian.

The complaint also alleges that Schiavo and Felos conspired to deprive Terri of access to her priest in violation of the First Amendment and that the use of a 1999 Florida law in her case represented a Fifth Amendment due process violation of the constitutional prohibition on ex post facto legislation since Mrs. Schiavo had suffered her injury in 1990.

All of the cumulative rights violations are alleged under 42 USC 1983, which provides that, "Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress."

The hospice where Terri Schiavo is being kept and the hospital where her infection was supposed to have been treated are also accused of violating the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. That law requires that "handicapped" receive comparable medical care to that given able-bodied patients with similar conditions or injuries. Both facilities are subject to the Rehabilitation Act because they receive federal Medicare funding. The hospital is also charged with violating provisions of the Social Security law in 42 USC 1395dd, which requires the examination and appropriate treatment of emergency medical conditions and forbids the discharge of patients before their conditions are stabilized. The Schindlers believe their daughter was prematurely discharged from the hospital on more than one occasion in an attempt to hasten her death.

Felos accused the Schindlers of trying to subvert the Florida justice system.

"The purpose of this lawsuit is to invalidate the lower court's decision," Felos told the Tampa Tribune Tuesday.

U.S. District Judge Richard Lazzara gave the Schindlers ten days to file an amended version of their lawsuit and offered Felos an additional ten days to respond. He would not, however, block a hearing scheduled for Sept. 11, during which Pinellas-Pasco Florida Circuit Judge George Greer is expected to set a date for Terri Schiavo's feeding tube to be removed.

Attorneys for both sides told reporters after the emergency hearing Tuesday that they do not expect Greer to set that date any earlier than the 20-day period set by the federal court for the Schindlers' amended complaint and Felos' response.

28 posted on 11/18/2003 9:52:19 PM PST by Aliska
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To: lonevoice
Well then if it was just filmed tonight and KDubRN already knows what was in the show that is some pretty good leg work on her part. WOW I AM impressed. I'm going to go to terrisfight.org and look up Carla.

I'm sure that KDubRN is busy right now writing her letters she'll probably be back on the board in a few more minutes.
Thanks for helping me out int he meantime. As you can see I need a lot of help!
29 posted on 11/18/2003 9:52:35 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
What is "LE"?

Law Enforcement, I think the poster meant.

30 posted on 11/18/2003 9:53:26 PM PST by Aliska
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To: KDubRN; sweetliberty
WOW!

Thanks for the ping.
31 posted on 11/18/2003 9:53:30 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah (National health care gives the government the means to kill you when you become too expensive)
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
You're welcome! We've all been there at one time or another.

I forgot to answer your question of who is Dr. Hammesfahr. Dr. William Hammesfahr is the Florida neurologist that examined Terri and testified as one of the two medical experts the Schindlers used for trial. He stated under oath (and continues to state in media appearances) that Terri isn't PVS and that he believes she can have significant improvement with rehabilitation. He even believes she can learn to speak again. Dr. H seems to be a brilliant, but unconventional, doctor. He's offered his rehabilitative services free of charge to Terri.
32 posted on 11/18/2003 10:07:16 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: KDubRN
How about contacting other media? Is this someone that Sean Hannity might be encouraged to have on the show?
33 posted on 11/18/2003 10:09:19 PM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: KDubRN
They were shocked when Carla had told them that 5 of the health care workers were dead. 2 of natural causes, 3 from auto accidents. Coincidence?

Their jaws dropped when she told them that she has been followed. Carla is the key witness. Her home alarm has gone off frequently of late. There are cigarette butts in her yard, and neither she, nor her husband smoke.

Why isn't Bernie interested in investigating this? Carla filed a police report. Carla had to move because MS was stalking her in the past, while she went to court over the insulin bottles. She had contacted the police over that. Was fired. And had to go to court. Everybody is afraid of crossing MS.

Michael does seem to have a nice track record for actually suing people over the years. I wonder how much he's won in all those suits. I think he uses lawsuits as an alternate form of income. You know, he is such a victim of his circumstances!

Also I'm wondering if Carla is one of the only ones left. I know there were affidavits from a couple of others, but I sure hope there is some way to keep these people all safe from harm's way. Michael could go ahead and hurt them, but now that more light is being shed on Terri's plight, he'd better not if he's smart. He's not Carla's guardian, so he won't be granted the same privileges he's been getting with Terri. Maybe DL-DS should warn Michael about continuing to intimidate others who have been involved in Terri's case.

34 posted on 11/18/2003 10:13:57 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: wisconsinconservative
Maybe Linda Vester would be a good choice of someone to interview Mrs. Iyer. That would give early afternoon coverage on Fox. I'll jot her off another e-mail.
35 posted on 11/18/2003 10:17:11 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Shortstop7; .30Carbine; Admin Moderator; Alamo-Girl; ALOHA RONNIE; amom; Angelwood; AuntB; ...
Just got home. I am astounded at the three judge panel.

Prayers for Terri!
36 posted on 11/18/2003 10:18:19 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
I remember reading that Carla was the only one of the three original healthcare workers that gave affidavits who was "still available". It didn't occur to me that the other two ladies were no longer living! This was also the first I've heard that Carla was being stalked and had filed a police report. She hasn't spoken to the media before this, has she? This could be just what's needed to light some fires in the right places. God bless her.
37 posted on 11/18/2003 10:21:07 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Here's Linda Vester's e-mail addy at Fox: dayside@foxnews.com
38 posted on 11/18/2003 10:22:22 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: lonevoice
Agreed. Prayers for everyone fighting for Terri. For safety, for courage, and persistence in getting the truth out! May God bless everyone involved in Terri's fight.
39 posted on 11/18/2003 10:24:46 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Budge
Budge,Bump.
40 posted on 11/18/2003 10:26:34 PM PST by fatima (Trust our troops to stand behind you.Trust the pro-lifers to be there.4ID Karen.)
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