Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 19-23

Various | November 18, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

(Thread 9 - November 19-23) Link back to thread 8 (Nov. 14-18)

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Contained in Thread 8:

Contact info for Judge Greer and the 6th DCA, link to argument between Pat Anderson and Judge Greer, Judge Baird's predetermination of the case, timeline of Terri's case, statutes being violated (also here) in Terri's case, contact information for Bernie McCabe and Jay Wolfson ( link to a better address for Bernie McCabe), super contact list for Florida courts, legislature, Senate and Washington, link to Gov. Bush's amicus curiae brief, Responding to Patients in the Persistent Vegetative State , a Christian parspective, PC93's letter of complaint against Michael Schiavo to demand criminal investigation and more contact information, contact information for the Florida Committee on guardianship, testimony of Jackie Rhodes, interesting article Is Wife-icide Legal In Florida(?), contact information for investigative ops and judicial operations, transcript of the Hannity and Colmes interview with the Schindlers, links to transcripts of other shows on Terri's case, contact information for Fox News shows, address to send Terri's birthday cards and contact information for advocacy center investigating Terri's abuse and neglect.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

A "Painless" Death?

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990? (Nat Hentoff)

His Fight to Give Terri Schiavo Communion

Terri's family appeals to Oprah fans

Terri Schiavo's Fight

Court Issues New Stay in Schiavo Case

Judge calls Terri's Law intrusive

Mom kept hope for girl who came out of vegetative state

Hannity & Colmes Tonight - Monday, 11-17-03 - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Parents

"Terri's Lights" Campaign Raises Awareness of Terri Schiavo's Plight

Catholic Media Coalition Declares November 30, 2003 "Theresa Schindler Schiavo Day"

Terri's dad: 'She's literally been a prisoner'

Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST

[HiTech RedNeck]

This is the challenge by the Schindlers concerning guardianship, right? Will that be moot if Terri's law is ruled unconstitional?

If this is followed by a Terri kill, it would be. That is what the Nightmare Team is pursuing full bore. They must be stopped.

[Saundra Duffy]

Bump to save Terri's life. (When will the Schindler's be on Larry King Live?)

[HiTech RedNeck]

but remember, it was reeported that Jodi is a "devout Catholic," and wants to get married!

The official RCC position (which much of the hierarchy whispers in a well, rather than shout from the rooftops as they ought to -- that is if they don't deny it altogether as in these PINOs and BINOs in FL) is that what Michael is doing to Terri counts as "murder." That would disqualify the marriage from being recognized by the RCC. If a local RCC congregation undertakes to marry them, there would be some serious repercussions (although, I figure, it would take about 10 years) from Rome.

[KDubRN]

I have no idea. They were wanting an equal hour, like the killer had.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Although Greer's Oct. 15 ruling was final, it's my guess that if cause to have MS removed is found, that would call into question the integrity of the Court's earlier rulings in light of the 'new' evidence. (conflict of interest, abuse, neglect etc.) I am guessing that if MS is removed as guardian for conflict of interest, at the very least his earlier testimony could be called into question.

There seems to be this little thing in the legal world called "presumption" which means, in English, first the verdict then the trial, and if the verdict made the trial moot well too bad. Greer already scheduled the tube pulling once to kill Terri on such a schedule as to constructively moot a guardianship case pending, and expressed absolutely no regrets over that. Hey just following orders!

[nickcarraway]

Man Dies After Judge Refuses Request to Reinstate Life Support

[nickcarraway]

Michael: Block Bone Scan Showing Possible Abuse of Terri Schiavo

[msmagoo]

Well, there's a investigation hanging over their heads in regards to the allegations of abuse and neglect, so Greer would do well to wait and see what comes of that before committing himself to MS being a 'model husband' again.

[HiTech RedNeck]

One thing I could see is if that Federal-State abuse investigatory office files for an injunction against killing Terri "to preserve evidence." They supposedly can trump state AND federal court orders.

[Orlando]

Yeah, I wonder how many TA victim(s) MS and Felon$ have under there belt, so far..We all know he burns red lights,
likes STALKING women, and installing FEAR of THEM.

I wonder how many Jane Doe appear when MS is in there area ?....The reason , I THINK why Felo$ looks concern when outside, and ducts alot..is because he feels a sniper is near ???, remember he thinks he is GOD, and uses mind-control, via spirit on people..without them even knowing it ..

He knows, in the name of World Security, and National Security ....he now knows, professials are watching him now......that's what i think ?, but I could be wrong.

[iowamomforfreedom]

What ins co??

The insurance company that originally paid the malpractice judgement. Some of us had thought that the insurance company would want to get involved since the judgement money was not used for Terri's rehab, and because it appears the whole pottasium thing was a scam. But the insurance company has since gone out of business, I understand.

[floriduh voter]

Okay. And I wasn't flaming whomever wrote that post to begin with. I was just stating my position. Welcome to Amerika where we kill people without their permission.

It's unrelated but they always try to KILL TERRI WHEN PRESIDENT BUSH IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. I think we need to continue to call President Bush's numbers and email him and his staff, HOW ABOUT HHS CHAIRMAN too?

[KDubRN]

To clarify.........I went through my mind as to what I printed yesterday, and left out a significant piece of info. This will resolve any confusion, I hope.
When I said Carla was in court, she was. The reason she was there is not because LE was investigating a thing.
She was there to defend herself. The nsg home where she worked, and was then fired, pressed charges for her giving the insulin bottles to the cops. She had to defend her actions. When it appeared she wasn't going to pursue anything, the nsg home dropped the charges.

[KDubRN]

This is unbelievable. Kudos to the prayer warriors on here. This is a dressed up copy, not only to allow you understand and read, but some important names had to be deleted to protect the innocent. Send this all over the internet please. Every friend, official, church, anybody and everybody.

This was received via email from a supporter of Terri's.

Pat was asked if the following records were authentic.

Her reply, "Yes, these look like her records."

Can YOU imagine!
A persistant vegetative state as the " evil green" nurse Schiavo reports....
I onced asked.......was he sleeping when they taught him in nursing school about brain injury, coma's and PVS?

As a Registered Nurse, it rattlles me to think that back in
1990-91, poor sweet Terri was reacting to her bed rail startling her.

After all of these years, this dear girl still KNOWINGLY lays at the hands and mercy of her assailant!

My God ...please have mercy!


Friend of mine came across this medical exam of Terri in 90 & 91. It looks very interesting but I would like to know its authenticity. Would you be able to let me know if this is legit please? If so, I would post it on other boards to help pin Michael/Felos/Greer as blatant liars. Thanks.

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This is the actual photocopy link ... http://host85.ipowerweb.com/~friendso/exam.pdf
Physical Examination -- 6 - 27 - 90 (p 1/3 pdf)

*patient is awake, eyes are open
*easily startled to her name or when bedrail fell down
*no respiratory distress, breathing easily
*pupils are equal and reactive
*just short focusing attention, does not track, keeps her head to the position on the right
*significant amount of tone in the head and neck.
*reflex and voluntary movement of her mouth in a chewing reflex
*T-tube in place & working properly
*severe hypertonicity of all four extremities; plantar flexor contractures, some shoulder limitation
*“again, tone is quite significant in all four extremities and difficult to achieve range of motion of the left hip and knee while she is in a supine position.”
*pt is awake
*she does give eye contact to family members
*she will close her eyes to any threatening response around her face and blink appropriately
*tracking is inconsistent
*no verbal output during this exam but it has been reported by husband and other family members and therapists over at College Harbor.
*no voluntary movement on command
*responds to painful stimulation. . . cont on next page . . . [there is no next page]

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Treatment Plan Review from Mediplex rehab, Bradenton, 1/29/91 (p 2/3 pdf)

*PT 3 X wk due to decreased range of motion in legs.
OT [occupational therapy] modified splints, will look at __ on lap tray.
*Will check at head rest also

Cognitive/Communication:
*no significant changes.
*Vocalizing when prone in P.T. [physical therapy]
*Occasionally will say "STOP" to nursing during procedures.
*to TR [recreation?] groups. More relaxed to therapists voice, touch (habituation)

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Monthly summary/therapy notes 3-15-91 (p 3/3 pdf)

Ms. Schiavo was readministered the sensory stimulation assessment measure on March 13, 1991. The results show a slight increase in a few response areas.

Terry's [sic] eye-opening responses and motor responses (which increased two points) are now both her strongest response output category. However, the vocalization response modality increased two points also. Terry's tactile response remained her best sensory input category, as it increased 3 points, the other 4 response categories remained at about the same level.

These slight increases may be a result of the time change. The original test was administered at 8:00 a.m. right after she got up and the second test was given at 4:00 p.m.

Terry’s ocular cranial nerve function was assessed and the results indicated that her pupil sizes were large, she had a very sluggish response to light, the consensual light reflex was present but she had an abnormal response to accommodation, tracking, and a blink reflex. These responses are very similar to last month’s administration.

Overall her general responsivess score increased slightly from 19 to 23, but remains at a __ Level II.

These scores indicate a need for a sensory stimulation program and this is being developed. In addition, the SSAM will be readministered in one month. [signed -- a nice caring person]

3 - 28 - 91 Weekly note: Pt. was seen by psych [psychology? rather than psychiatry, I’m guessing] in the sensory stim program 1 X [one time], program started 3-25-91. The goal was to increase her localized responses to sensory modalities. Her best response was to almond extract (olfactory), otherwise she only responded by opening her eyes briefly.

Summarizing across the interdisciplinary team results show similar findings. In addition, the most response increases was to tactile stimulation. Tx [treatment] plan will be continued.

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END PDF

[HiTech RedNeck]

*Occasionally will say "STOP" to nursing during procedures.

Is this even possible to do sans cerebral cortex (as her would-be starvers allege she is).

[KDubRN]

Is this even possible to do sans cerebral cortex (as her would-be starvers allege she is).

Yes, because her cerebrum is not what is grossly affected, but the occipital area.

I suggest everybody split the Fl house and senate between y'all, and send this PDF web site, with translation, to all. They need to be hammered with this info, and know it is circulating the country.
MS cannot kill his wife on the grounds she is PVS. It will not stand.
Apathy and complacency are NOT my finer attributes.
We need to work on the "It is Terri's wish she die" lies as well.
I know many of you must be wondering about me. Trust me. My goal is to save this gal's life. If we progress down this path by allowing this murder, we will find ourselves in a position, where the return path will be virtually impossible to change.

BTW...I had heard about FREEP, but never took the time to check it out. What have I been missing????

[cyn]

Thanks for this link: Ore. Judge Rejects Life Support Request

Here's the f/u: Man Dies After Judge Refuses Request to Reinstate Life Support

"He died peacefully and with dignity." -- it was a tough time for his family.

[sweetliberty]

I am pinging y'all to this article here because it was posted by one of our resident trolls who just loves to stir up trouble over this issue.

Court lifts stay in Schiavo - Bush battle

[KDubRN]

Quite frankly, I thought y'all have been doing a great job with the knucklehead/s who has been disruptive. I darn sure do not have the time to rebut his every disinformation comments and lies.
So, I am very grateful to y'all.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

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