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RUSSIANS SHUN EPISCOPAL CHURCH (Russian Orthodox Church)
Russian Orthodox Church Website ^ | 11-17-03?? | Department for External Church Relations

Posted on 11/17/2003 10:32:09 PM PST by Drago

"THE CHURCH CANNOT APPROVE OF THE PERVERSION OF HUMAN NATURE CREATED BY THE CREATOR HIMSELF"
The Statement of the Department for External Church Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate

In connection with the episcopal consecration of an openly gay priest V.Gene Robinson, the Department for External Church Relations is empowered to make a special statement.

The Church has always regarded homosexual contacts as a grave sin.

There are clear and indisputable testimonies in the Bible about the inadmissibility of such relations between people for Christians: 'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination', 'If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed abomination; they shall be put to death (Lev 18:22; 20:13). St.Paul definitely said about 'dishonourable passions' of people who 'exchanged the truth about God for a lie': 'their women exchanged natural relations to unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another'. The apostle pointed at the inevitable 'God's decree' not only about those whose conduct was improper and who 'were filled with all manner of wickedness, …covetousness' but also about those who 'approve' (cf. Rom 18-32).

Such people separate themselves from the unity of faith. According to the Apostle, they will not inherit the eternal life: 'Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters… nor homosexuals… will inherit the kingdom of God' (cf. 1 Cor 6:9-10).

The advocates of the ordination of homosexuals maintain that there is no direct condemnation of these kind of sexual contacts in the Holy Scriptures and that the above-cited texts from the Bible should not be understood literally, as, according to them, only the fundamentalists and conservatives do. Yet in this case any Biblical text can be interpreted in any sense, depending on the instant desires of a particular group of people.

The Biblical texts about the condemnation of homosexualism are clear and unequivocal. They have formed Christian morals, educated many generations of people and created modern culture. The negation of the direct meaning of the words of St.Paul contradicts the centuries long Christian tradition of the comprehension of these texts and is contrary to common sense.

Homosexualism is a sin, which separates man from God. At the same time the Church does not deny help to those unfortunate people, who are possessed with this ailment. God is love, and Christians should pray for all sinners and wish them salvation. However, the Church cannot approve of the perversion of human nature created by the Creator Himself. The Church cannot bless the distortion of the image of God, Who is the most profound foundation of human dignity. The Church teaches about the original differences of both sexes, about chastity and predestination of man for sanctity. The Church safeguards the tradition of Christian marriage between man and wife blessed by God Himself at Cana in Galilee. The Church will cease witnessing about holiness, purity and the truth of God, if she gives up the teaching revealed to her by God.

We see a great danger to a modern man in the processes, which are going on in the Episcopal Church in the USA and in some other Christian communities of Western world. People are becoming accustomed to the notion that homosexualism is nor a deviation, neither a perversion, but just a kind of 'love', which even the Church blesses. For instance, the leadership of the Episcopalian Church in the USA at the General Convention in Minnesota last summer approved of a possibility of blessing the unisexual marriages. The document adopted by the Comvention gives the 'local communities' and parishes the right to elaborate the rituals for the blessing of unisexual couples.

The consequences are terrible, as even people with normal sexual orientation are joining in homosexualism.

Our faith is built upon the Word of God, which has preserved the immutable Truth of God. The liberal view on the attitude of the Church to homosexualism is the way to the destruction of the very foundations of the Church and to its likening to secular pubic institutes.

The Russian Orthodox Church has maintained good relations with the Episcopal Church in the USA for almost two hundred years. Our relations remained warm and friendly even in the period of the 'cold war', when Christians had mutual understanding and supported one another in the world divided into the confronting military blocks. The Episcopal Church in the USA supported Orthodox Christians in our country at the time of persecution for the faith in Christ. Particularly friendly relations between our two Churches have been established in the early 1990s, when a Joint Coordinating Committee for Cooperation between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Episcopal Church in the USA was set up. The Committee prepared and carried out three theological conversations, successfully implemented common social and educational projects and arranged visits to one another.

However, the 'consecration' of a gay priest has made any communications with him and with those who consecrated him impossible. We shall not be able to cooperate with these people not only in the theological dialogue, but also in the humanitarian and religious and pubic spheres. We have no right to allow even a particle of agreement with their position, which we consider to be profoundly antiChritian and blasphemous.

Because of this situation the Russian Orthodox Church is forced to suspend the work of the Joint Coordinating Committee and to freeze her contacts with the Episcopalian Church in the USA.

We want to maintain contacts and cooperation with those members of the Episcopal Church in the USA who clearly declared their loyalty to the moral teaching of the Holy Gospel and the Ancient Undivided Church.

We pray our God, God of love and reconciliation, to put sense into the members of the Episcopal Church in the USA and help them return to the way of the Truth, which is our Lord Jesus Christ (cf. Jn 14:6).


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I think this was posted to their site today.
1 posted on 11/17/2003 10:32:10 PM PST by Drago
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To: Drago; MarMema; Destro
"Because of this situation the Russian Orthodox Church is forced to suspend the work of the Joint Coordinating Committee and to freeze her contacts with the Episcopalian Church in the USA."

Well, that is taking a stand for GOD and what is right!! Amen, Russian Orthodox Church, AMEN.

2 posted on 11/17/2003 10:46:26 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: Drago
This statement is very encouraging, for a reason that has nothing to do with the topic of the Episcopal Church.
This summer I was in Ukraine and I started a relationship with a lady there who is an Orthodox Christian. Since I am a Baptist, I was wondering if we could be compatible with our different religions. This article here shows that we still have much in common, where the important things are.
3 posted on 11/17/2003 11:10:52 PM PST by shekkian
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To: Lion in Winter
You mean the church that sold out to the religion of communism?
I am glad they did this, too. It may be, however, more about infighting, outfighting and position than any real conviction.

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=orthodox

In any case, I am just as pleased to have any and all, hypocrits or not do whatever to show the church of which I am a member that the way they have taken is not The Way.
4 posted on 11/17/2003 11:11:50 PM PST by Spirited
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To: Drago
However, the 'consecration' of a gay priest has made any communications with him and with those who consecrated him impossible. We shall not be able to cooperate with these people not only in the theological dialogue, but also in the humanitarian and religious and pubic spheres. We have no right to allow even a particle of agreement with their position, which we consider to be profoundly antiChritian and blasphemous.

Believe it or not, the Russian Orthodox church is handling this in a very biblical fashion. Note the following from the seldom read book of Jude:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written about; long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Jude 3-7 NIV

And here's the kicker...

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Jude 17-23 NIV

There are other references throughout the New Testament that also support the stance taken by the Orthodox Church. Those who call themselves "Christians," but engage in very un-Christian practices, are not to be tolerated. It is one of the few times where scipture clearly commands intolerance! This does not mean we get to take up arms against the heretics, but it does mean that we are to treat them, socially speaking, as untouchables. We are also to clearly state to them (as if they didn't already know) why, exactly we can't enjoy sweet fellowship with them any longer.

It may sound harsh, but then our harshest will be nothing in comparison with what they will have to deal with come Judgment Day...

5 posted on 11/17/2003 11:19:27 PM PST by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: Lion in Winter; Drago
God speed the Russian People's return to Christendom!
6 posted on 11/17/2003 11:51:57 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Spirited; MarMema
Spirited ( which you obviously are not)

You are so wrong on so many levels. When YOUR Church suffers over 1 million dead members and priests at the hands of the commies in the USSR.... like the Russian Orthodox Christian Church did.... THEN YOU CAN MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH.

Until then, you remain a religious bigot.

Marmema I pinged you to this because you have been in Russia and know so much about this Church and Her people.

7 posted on 11/18/2003 12:52:16 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: Brian Allen
yes, Yes... I agree!!!

After what they have been through at the hands of the commies.... it is a MIRACLE of GOD ALMIGHTY to see them at work in the vineyards of the LORD!!

8 posted on 11/18/2003 12:53:44 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: Ronzo
Yes, it was good to see them use Scripture to support their position. I just wish some American Churches had the will to do the same thing.

I pray for the Russians and their return to Christianity.

9 posted on 11/18/2003 12:56:19 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: ahadams2
Something for your ping list.....
10 posted on 11/18/2003 12:57:40 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Lion in Winter

"...pubic spheres" A Freudian typo?
11 posted on 11/18/2003 12:57:48 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: shekkian
I think it is wonderful that you can see the CHRISTIAN simularities in the two Churches. I think both the Baptists and the Orthodox have very conservative moral values.

Which is good.

12 posted on 11/18/2003 12:58:47 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: kittymyrib
A translational freudian slip.... me thinks!
13 posted on 11/18/2003 1:00:04 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: katnip; FormerLib; DeaconBenjamin
PING!
14 posted on 11/18/2003 1:01:07 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: Drago
more discussion on this at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1023664/posts
15 posted on 11/18/2003 2:13:49 PM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: Spirited; crazykatz; don-o; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; newberger; Petronski; The_Reader_David; ...
You mean the church that sold out to the religion of communism?

You mean the church that saw the Communists kill 30,000 of its clergy members? Doesn't sound like they sold out on anything! Sounds like the ones who were willing to vocally resist were all killed! Fortunately for us, those who were willing to quietly resist won!

Can you name any Western Church that resisted Communism at such a cost? Maybe we should start referring to them as the Churches that cowered quietly from the Communists while being safe and far away!

16 posted on 11/18/2003 4:29:02 PM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
Sometimes the IGNORANCE of the Non-Orthodox astounds me!
17 posted on 11/18/2003 5:10:01 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 ("Dixie and Texas Forever")
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To: Lion in Winter
???????? What in Heaven do you mean?

Russians have been Christian for 1000 years!?
18 posted on 11/18/2003 5:11:31 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 ("Dixie and Texas Forever")
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To: Brian Allen
THEY ARE CHRISTIAN! (and have been for 1000 years)

Unless that is a code for "I wish they would be Roman Catholic" Which they NEVER WERE!
19 posted on 11/18/2003 5:13:21 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 ("Dixie and Texas Forever")
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