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Don't Quit as We Did in Vietnam
Weekly Standard ^ | 11/11/2003 12:00:00 AM | David Gelernter

Posted on 11/11/2003 7:25:22 PM PST by swilhelm73

U.S. POLICY IN IRAQ is haunted by Vietnam, no question about that. That's why Americans support the war and will keep on supporting it until we win. ("Win" is a verb you rarely heard in the Vietnam era.)

We are haunted by the image of Vietnamese who trusted and supported us trying frantically to grab a place on the last outbound helicopter; by Vietnamese putting to sea in rowboats rather than enjoy Uncle Ho's "Workers' and Peasants' Paradise" one more day. We are haunted by the consequences of allowing South Vietnam to collapse. Tens of thousands of executions (maybe 60,000), re-education camps where hundreds of thousands died, a million boat people.

We put them in those rowboats--we antiwar demonstrators, we sophisticated, smart guys. The war was nearly over when I graduated from high school. But high school students were old enough to demonstrate. They were old enough to feel superior to the fools who were running the government. And they were old enough to have known better. They were old enough to have understood what communist regimes had cost the world in suffering, from the prisons of Havana to the death camps of Siberia.

Today we are haunted, in thinking about Iraq, by the fact that a noisy, self-important, narcissistic minority talked the United States into betraying its allies. (Loyalty didn't mean a lot to antiwar demonstrators; honor didn't mean a lot.) We betrayed our allies and hurried home, to introspect. They stayed on, to suffer. We were eager to make love, not war, but the South Vietnamese weren't offered that option. Their alternatives were to knuckle under or die.

It was my fault, mine personally; I was part of the antiwar crowd and I'm sorry. But my apology is too late for the South Vietnamese dead. All I can do is join the chorus in shouting, "No more Vietnams!" No more shrugging off tyranny; no more deserting our friends; no more going back on our duties as the strongest nation on Earth.

Before the switch of commanders from William C. Westmoreland to Creighton Abrams, we conducted the Vietnam War stupidly; that thought haunts us too, and that's why people like Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld are running the Iraq war and his Vietnam-era counterpart Robert S. McNamara and his friends and disciples aren't. We are haunted by our having gotten into Vietnam without really meaning to, without having thrashed it out first in a nationwide conversation. That's why the Bush administration laid out exactly what it wanted to accomplish (regime change) beforehand--and why the nation chewed the thing over for months before we opened fire. Regime change is what America wanted and what we fought for and won. Regime change is what we will defend, whatever it takes.

Does Iraq bring back memories of Vietnam? The president's critics say yes, and they are right. Vietnam came to mind when we saw Saddamites torturing their captives on camera. Do President Bush's opponents grasp that those are (or were) real people getting beaten to a pulp, mutilated, tortured, murdered? (If they did, wouldn't they be overjoyed now that the smug murderers have been thrown out, and radiantly proud of America?) Our moral obligations as the world's most powerful nation come strongly to mind when we hear about rape rooms and children's prisons; when we read about captives fed into industrial shredders, and swaggering princelings dragging women off the street to the torture houses.

Voltaire once felt obliged to rouse all Europe over the judicial torture of one man. Europe today reacts with the same charming befuddlement it felt back then: What's all the fuss? Surely, it's none of our business.

The president's critics say that he has made mistakes; right again. He was too optimistic about the difficulties of hunting down a man or a biological weapon in a large country. He might well have been too optimistic about the difficulties of managing postwar Iraq. He was certainly too optimistic about the rest of the world's joining us; too many people were making too much money from Hussein's Iraq for the case by Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair against Hussein ever to be popular, for the world at large to care much about Kurdish infants choking to death on poison gas or about a political dissenter with his tongue cut out. But suppose we sweep up all the administration's mistakes and dump them in one pan of the moral balance. We'll put just one fact on the other side: Hussein is overthrown. What do all the president's mistakes amount to? How much do they count when we step back and take in the big picture? They count zero.

People ask: Are you proposing to overthrow every sadist tyrant on Earth? No, only proposing to be proud that we overthrew one.

Some Bush critics tell us that "Iraqification" is bound to be a failure and a "losing strategy," like "Vietnamization." They are wrong on the facts. Vietnamization was a winning strategy. Several years ago, political commentator Fred Barnes reviewed, in an article for The Weekly Standard, the findings of two books on Vietnam that challenged the conventional wisdom on the war. Barnes wrote, in summary: "What really worked was Vietnamization, the reliance on Saigon's forces as American troops were gradually brought home." He quoted Lewis Sorley, one of the authors: "There came a time when the war was won. The fighting wasn't over, but the war was won. This achievement can probably best be dated in late 1970, after the Cambodia incursion."

But then we got fed up and pulled the plug. We left the bill on the table and walked out, and our allies paid in blood. Yes, we are haunted by Vietnam, and God forbid we should ever again betray our friends to tyrant murderers. Or ever again walk out on a nation whose people are struggling merely to live and be let alone. Or ever again inform the natives prissily over our shoulders on our way out: Look, it's your choice; if you choose to be governed by blood-sucking murderers, it's none of our business.

Yes, America is haunted by Vietnam. It always will be.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gelernter; iraq; staythecourse; vietnam
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1 posted on 11/11/2003 7:25:23 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
Iraq isn't Vietnam.






It's Israel.
2 posted on 11/11/2003 7:27:24 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: swilhelm73
Isn't it funny how the protestors and anti-american whiners now and then could not care LESS about the millions of South Vietnamese they condemned to death and torture? And they say Republicans are heartless?
3 posted on 11/11/2003 7:30:07 PM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains
Well, you generally get a number of evasions from leftists in excusing leftist democide;

1) The numbers are inflated. It doesn't matter who generates the numbers - they are automatically inflated if the indict the leftist tyrant hero of the month. I've had leftists claim Amnesty is biased, for example, in what thye had to say prior to the war.

2) The people killed were really enemies of the state, guilty, former oppressors, etc.

3) It is all America's fault. Khmer Rouge's communist democide? Americas fault for bombing VC insurgents. Stalin's purges? The western democracies made the USSR feel threatened.

It all boils down, though, to the leftist notion that the ends justify the means - or as one famous leftist said "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet".
4 posted on 11/11/2003 7:37:26 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: gcruse
And so are we.
5 posted on 11/11/2003 7:49:52 PM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: swilhelm73
Actually, Vietnamization was working very well much earlier, under Ngo Dinh Diem. But President Kennedy, a Catholic who was ashamed of his faith, felt uncomfortable with the Catholic Diem, and was persuaded that it would be better to turn the country over to the Buddhists. So he ordered the CIA to assassinate Diem. They did, and the war effort deteriorated badly after that. We had to take responsibility from the Vietnamese who had done most of the fighting earlier.

How do I know this? Because it was set out in black and white in the Pentagon Papers, published by the NY Times. Unlike most Times subscribers, I read the whole thing. Somehow the Times implied that the Pentagon Papers made Nixon a villain. Not so. They made JFK a villain. But who can expect honesty from the NY Times?
7 posted on 11/11/2003 7:56:47 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: thoughtomator
Yup.
8 posted on 11/11/2003 7:58:17 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: swilhelm73
"Vietnam" is going so much faster these days. Have the number of months in Iraq so far matched the years in Vietnam yet?
9 posted on 11/11/2003 8:02:41 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: gcruse
I was there during Vietnam. I lost friends due to this debacle. Yes, it was a debacle! Ask anyone who was around during that time. I don't want Iraq to turn into a "Vietnam." We have to get this under control and the paradigm of Vietnam is NOT a good example.
10 posted on 11/11/2003 8:21:19 PM PST by BlueElephant (JustTheFacts)
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To: BlueElephant
That's what I said. Israel is a much better metaphor.
11 posted on 11/11/2003 8:23:24 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: swilhelm73
Amen. But don't subject our men to a PC war either. If you expect them to go to war, then go to war, not play political games with their lives.
12 posted on 11/11/2003 8:34:57 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: BlueElephant
Signing up on Veteran's Day. Wellcome to Free Republic, Vet. I hope you start posting articles when your comfortable. You sound like you have the attitude I like to hear. Adios
13 posted on 11/11/2003 8:37:27 PM PST by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: swilhelm73
We put them in those rowboats--we antiwar demonstrators, we sophisticated, smart guys. The war was nearly over when I graduated from high school. But high school students were old enough to demonstrate. They were old enough to feel superior to the fools who were running the government. And they were old enough to have known better. They were old enough to have understood what communist regimes had cost the world in suffering, from the prisons of Havana to the death camps of Siberia...finally a bit of introspection and reality from the anti-war crowd.....
14 posted on 11/11/2003 8:48:35 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: swilhelm73
"We are haunted by the image of Vietnamese who trusted and supported us ...

"It was my fault, mine personally; I was part of the antiwar crowd and I'm sorry. But my apology is too late for the South Vietnamese dead."

Hello David Gelernter! While I agree with us not pulling out until the entire job is done in the Mid East and around the world where 3rd world despots and fanatical terrorists want to see us not just pull out but our total destruction and the collapse of "our way of life", I am not at all impressed by the quotes above.

Where is your apology for the 55,000+ American families of the dead American service men and countless of hundreds of thousands of brave young American fighting men who kept the faith while you protested. Even today in your article Mr. David Gelernter you fail to make apology nor even give any credit to those of us that kept and continue keeping the faith while you sit back in your ivory tower of American freedom and ponder the issue.

Not only am I not impressed I am quite frankly PO'd at Mr. David Gelernter's blasé approach to this subject and callous manner of the most important reason you (David Gelernter) should be apologetic concerning activities concerning the Viet Nam War, which we lost because the majority of the people at home lost the faith and stabbed those of us who didn't directly in the back.

15 posted on 11/11/2003 8:49:57 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: seamole; All
The author is also or was a professor of Computer Science at Yale.
16 posted on 11/11/2003 8:58:26 PM PST by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: Intolerant in NJ; ImpBill
I think the author might be one of those proverbial liberals mugged by reality. Just think about how his view of the world was totally inverted by the Unabomber. He's started apologizing. He's making progress.
17 posted on 11/11/2003 9:11:52 PM PST by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: Cicero
You make an excellent point about the asassination of Diem. It marked an escalation, and new level of both responsibility and irresponsiblity in the Vietnam war.

I wonder if the Ayatollah Hakim was not also assassinated by the CIA. Or he could have been a victim of the Iranians (because he was a disappointment to them after he returned to Iraq) or of the Baathists (who had always intended to kill him if he returned from exile.) But the location and nature of the blast make it look very like the work of the "Company."

20 posted on 11/11/2003 9:34:12 PM PST by BlackVeil
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