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I'm shocked, stunned, and amazed Greta will cut away from the Scott Peterson case to talk about something else.

[RGVTx]

It's probably the same woman O'Reilly had on his show this evening. It was a chilling interview. She said she was aware of everything the whole time, but was unable to communicate. She was taken off of her feeding tube for 8 days and was in horrible pain. The husband said he realized she was responsive before the tube was removed, but it took 3 weeks to convince the doctors. She was then hooked back up to the feeding tube and therapy was started. To look at her now, one would never know what she has gone through.

[blam]

I saw her on O'Reilly. It was scary...She heard and knew everything.

[therut]

I really hate to write what I think about all this Terry Story. As a physician I can only say you can not judge each case by what you hear on T.V. Unless I could review all the notes etc. I refuse to comment on these types of cases. Surely you all know that you can not base your beliefs on what you hear from the media. To make a educated opinion you would have to have been this person's physicians from the beginning of their disease. I am sorry but there are many different dimensions to these cases to boil them all down to such simple answers. I as a physician have taken care of many terminal patients and care for many in a nursing home. Some things that modern medicine can do by technology are not humane in any way. I know this and I for sure as heck would not want to be kept alive with a feeding tube under certain circumstances. And I'm sorry but when you marry your spouse is your next of kin under law.Conservatives are crapping in their own pampers wanting the GOVERNMENT to decide life and death decisions. I thought we supported marriage. I agree this case is awful because you have the husband and the womans family in court for over a decade arguing. You can hate all physicians as much as you want to but it will be a cold day in hell that I would want to be in her condition being keep alive by an artificial means with a tube placed surgically outside of my abdomen. And I admit she is probalby not brain dead(from what I have read) but her chances of getting better is 0%. I watched my Dad die a death he did not diserve but I would never have kept him "alive" for my own benefit.

[Naspino]

Did they follow up with something like "If only Terri would come out of her brain dead coma...?"

[Saundra Duffy]

This woman and her husband are a real inspiration. Saw them on O'Reilly. Hope I get to see it. Thanks for the heads up.

[slym]

And just look at this story from ANANOVA:
[Maybe Bryan Adams could come down to Florida and sing for Terri???]

Woman wakes from seven year coma at Bryan Adams concert

A German woman has woken up from a seven year coma after she was taken in a wheelchair to see Bryan Adams in concert.

Christiane Kittel, now 24, was a pupil at her local school in Regensburg, when she fell into a coma.

Doctors diagnosed a lung embolism and, despite emergency surgery to save her life, Christiane never fully recovered - spending the last seven years in a coma.

Her mother, Adelheid Kittel, said: "Bryan Adams was always her biggest hero and she loved his music before she fell into a coma.

"When I heard about the concert in Regensburg I knew straight away that I had to take her there. I decided that Christiane had to hear him.

"Christiane was sitting in her special wheelchair and suddenly she started showing reactions that for seven years we have been dreaming of.

"She opened her eyes and actually watched what was going on, she started to move in the wheelchair, and she was totally fascinated by the music and the singer.

"I will never forget it, I could have hugged the whole world. When we got back to the clinic she was still animated, and three times she called my name, she said Mama."

Her doctor Gerhard Weber confirmed she has suffered no relapses since the recovery. He said: "She is a perfect example of the fact that despite the very worst injuries there is always hope."


Story filed: 10:32 Wednesday 12th March 2003

[Salvation]

Kate Adamson

Wasn't her story wonderful?

[Future Useless Eater]

From FoxNews Channel - "The O'Reilly Factor" - Wednesday, 05 nov 2003

O'Reilly: The Back of the Book segment tonight, the parents of Terri Schiavo are hoping for a miracle. Their daugter has been in a vegetative state for 13 years, as you know... Ms. Schiavo's husband wants her to die, and so do many in the state of Florida.

But listen to THIS, In 1995, Kate Adamson was in a similar position. She was in a vegetative state after suffering a stroke. For almost 70 days, she was almost TOTALLY unresponsive. Doctors finally PULLED her feeding tube. And for 8 days, she was dying.

Then, Ms. Adamson began responding on her OWN. Doctors quickly put the feeding tube back in, and she recovered. Joining us now from Los Angeles, is Kate Adamson, and her husband Steven Klugman. Ms Adamson has written a book called "Kate's Journey - Triumph Over Adversity".

O'Reilly: So, ahh, in the Schiavo case, Ms. Adamson, you must have VERY strong feelings about that?

Adamson: I do. I have a HUGE perspective about what Terri is going through.

O'Reilly: What would that be?

Adamson: Well especially after having gone thru this myself, and the doctors assuming I was in a vegetative state, ahh when in fact I was TOTALLY aware of what was going on around me.

O'Reilly: Could you hear? Could you hear people, and see...

Adamson: I could hear, and see everything going on around me, and I had NO way to commmunicate with anyone.

O'Reilly: So you were like, paralized in every way, but you could HEAR the words, you KNEW when your husband was in the room when he was there, and all of that?

Adamson: Exactly. I KNEW what I wanted to say, ahh, I was completely PARALIZED. I had NO way of communicating at all.

O'Reilly: This is amazing. Its like an Edgar Allen Poe story...
So when they took the feeding tube out, what went thru your mind?

Adamson: When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, ahh I was... thought I was going insane. I was screaming out, "Don't you know, I NEED to EAT!".

Adamson: And even though, until that point, I had been having a bagful of Ensure as my nourishment that was going thru the feeding tube, at that point, it sounded pretty good. Ahh, I just wanted something, ahh the fact that I had nothing, the hunger pains overrode EVERY thought I had.

O'Reilly: So you were feeling PAIN? when they removed your tube?

Adamson: Oh, ABSOLUTELY. Absolutely... To say that, ahh, especially when Michael on national TV had mentioned last week, that its a pretty painless thing to have a feeding tube removed... Its the EXACT OPPOSITE. It was SHEER torture, Bill. Sheer torture... and then having it ripped out.

O'Reilly: Its just amazing. Alright, how did you come OUT of this? How did the doctors know to put the tube back in?

Adamson: Well first of all having Stephen as a strong advocate. Ahh, and not only being an attorney, but yelling and screaming and INSISTING... insisting that they do that.

O'Reilly: Alright but, umm so your husband, an attorney, Steven, insisted and you, what did you do? get a court order counselor, to get the tube back into your wife's system?

husband: I threatened to sue the whole world, and I told them their best course was to ahh, try to save her, and maybe they wouldn't get sued. So they FINALLY decided that was the way to-

O'Reilly: Ok, so they finally listened to you after eight days, they put the tube back, and how long then did it take for you to come out of the vegetative state?

Adamson: Well it was a matter of time, and of course when you're in that position, I had no conception of time at all. I wasn't able to start eating food again. I had to start on pureed food, and still had the tube turned ON, because of my weight loss.

husband: There was a good week to two weeks where she was aware, she WAS communicating, and I couldn't get ANYONE to believe me. Just like the [Terri's]family...

O'Reilly: How did you know? ... How did you know?

husband: Because I would... I'd ask her to blink once if she could understand me, and she would.

O'Reilly: Whoa, well thats pretty OBVIOUS, a doctor comes in and you do the demonstration?...

husband: The doctors... well, she would be so WEAK, after blinking once or twice, she couldn't do it again for an hour or more.

O'Reilly: I see...

husband: These people are SO weak...

Adamson: You know Bill, I had to BLINK every ahh, thats how I COMMUNICATED... was blinking.

O'Reilly: But how long did it TAKE you, once they re-inserted the ahh, feeding tube into you, Kate, were you able to convince the doctors you were aware?

Adamson: Well, I couldn't convince the doctors myself, I couldn't speak. I had NO ability... so Stephen had to be my advocate.

O'Reilly: Ok, but how long did it TAKE? Mr. Klugman, how long did it take?

husband: Two to three weeks.

O'Reilly: Ok, So two to three weeks, she came BACK on the feeding, and then she came OUT of the vegetative state?

husband: She was never IN a vegetative state. That was just their...

O'Reilly: Ok, Ok, Ok, but she came.. when did she get COGNIZANT that everybody knew she was funct...

husband: She was... she was probably ALWAYS cognizant. She was in fact OPERATED on at one point, and they treated her as though she was a vegetable, and didn't give her enough anesthetic, and she FELT the entire operation.

O'Reilly: Allright, I'm going to try one MORE time... When did you come OUT of it so that you could SPEAK and all of that? How long was it?

Adamson: Well it wasn't until I was in ACUTE REHAB for the three MONTHS, and during that whole process-

O'Reilly: [interrupting] THREE MONTHS, allright then.

Adamson: In fact, I was on a week to week basis with... in terms of how I was recovering, whether the insurance company would still keep me in there.

O'Reilly: Well, its an AMAZING, AMAZING story, and ahh, nobody can say whether the Schiavo case would BE like- that way... But to hear this, makes everybody think. Thank you, both of you, for coming on the Factor.

Adamson: Thank you! br>
[Transcripted for education and discussion purposes only, not guaranteed to be 100% accurate.]

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O'Reilly was SO FRUSTRATED at the end that he DID NOT HEAR Kate's important point... Bill wanted to guage HOW LONG we should continue FEEDING a 'vegetative' patient, and I'm sure he thinks he 'heard' THREE MONTHS. But Bill didn't hear Kate say "ACUTE REHAB for three months".

I am sure Bill is SLIGHTLY more favorable now towards Terri, but Bill would still let Terri die (IMO).

Bill doesn't realize Terri is BEING DENIED ANY THERAPY or REHAB, and Michael and Felos are falsifying her x-rays, records, and occasional tests.

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Recent interviews/excerpts:
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"Hannity and Colmes" - Tuesday 10-14-03 --> (Terri's father) Bob Schindler: "MONEY and FOUL PLAY"

"On the Record with Greta" - Friday 10-24-03 --> Forensic Pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden: "Potassium imbalance UNLIKELY - HEALTHY heart - NECK TRAUMA"

"At Large with Geraldo Rivera" Sunday 10-26-03 --> Florida AG Christopher Darden and Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz: "You have eternity to be dead; You only have a limited amount of time to live"

"Hannity and Colmes" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (father) Bob Schindler and (neurologist) Dr. William Hammesfahr: "She absolutely CAN be rehabilitated -clearly NEVER had heart attack -Emergency room: damaged neck"

"On the Record with Greta" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson: "BIG FIGHT -attempted STRANGULATION"

"On the Record with Greta" - Tuesday 10-28-03 --> (attorney) Pat Anderson and (brother) Bobby Schindler: "failing marriage -DIVORCE imminent -Potassium explained":

"Hardball with with Chris Matthews" - Wednesday 10-29-03 --> (attorney for ACLJ) Jay Sekulow and (attorney FOR death) Joe Tacopina: "Matthews: I think the human issue here is... her eyes flickering... I think she's ALIVE":

"Larry King Live" - Monday 10-27-03 --> (husband) Michael Schiavo[barf alert]: THEY get money from the right wing ACTIVISTS - "Removing somebody's feeding is very painless. It is a very easy way to die" - [later] King: Would you take one[lie detector test]? - No

"The Abrams Report" - Monday 11-03-03 --> (Commentary) almost entirely pro-husband

"O'Reilly Factor" - Wednesday 11-04-03 --> (former "Vegetative State" patient) Kate Anderson: Being starved to death is EXTREMELY painful "It was SHEER torture!" - took her THREE MONTHS of ACUTE REHAB to snap out
Her website says: We stand behind Terri Schindler!

[editor-surveyor]

therut: See post 18 "As a physician As a physician As a physician As a physician As a physician As a physician..."

Well it looks like we have another troll surfacing in the swamp!

In true troll fashion he has dumped his load and moved on.

Bye, bye, Dr. therut

[Mr. Silverback]

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[Delphinium]

I saw the interview, I hope the whole country does.

[nutmeg]

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[Is2C]

I have a question that I haven't seen addressed in any of these articles. Isn't the point of a brain scan to detect any activity of the brain which in turn indicates sight, hearing, or any other sense that the patient might be experiencing - even hallucinations? I am just wondering if Cooper-Dowda, Kate Adamson or Terri have ever had a brain scan and what they might have shown. Thanks for any input, this stuff is really scary. Anyone else noticing how much more often this type of stuff seems to happen to women than men? Really makes you want to get your will in order. Thanks again.

[freekitty]

Why didn't this woman sue?