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Stop insulting Judaism and Christianity, Mr. President
Jewish World Review ^ | Nov. 3, 2003 | Diana West

Posted on 11/03/2003 5:18:08 AM PST by SJackson

It's high time to tell the truth about the adherents — and, more importantly, leaders — of the "great religion"

I'd like to think that with Ramadan rolling around again, President Bush at least considered calling off his annual White House dinner with assorted Muslim luminaries to break their holiday fast. No other religious group — not Jews, Catholics, Protestants or even Druids — rates an official celebration like the Iftaar supper, a White House "tradition" since 2001. That was the year the United States first decided that "reaching out" to Muslims following Muslim terrorist attacks on the United States was a good idea. Three Ramadans later, a sense of dining entitlement has no doubt kicked in that's harder to buck than not.

So,the president hosted his Ramadan dinner. Believing (and having written) that this man is all that separates us from the abyss, I'm pulling for Mr. Bush to succeed. At the same time, I'm also hoping he choked a little on his official remarks, at least on the part where he called on people of all faiths to reflect on "the values we hold common — love of family, gratitude to G-d, and" — insert Heimlich Maneuver here — "a commitment to religious freedom."

Islam may have a lot of things — love of family and gratitude to G-d, as the president said, along with jihad (holy war), dhimmitude (inferior status of non-Muslims) and a corner on the suicide bombing market — but it does not have "a commitment to religious freedom." And, that goes even after excluding al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire royal family of Saudi Arabia. Take Egypt. According to a report I first saw posted at www.robertspencer.org, a new Web site devoted to both jihad and dhimmitude, a slew of Christian converts from Islam have been arrested since Oct. 21 in Egypt — our modern (moderate?) friend and recipient of billions in U.S. aid — in a crackdown on "apostates."

As reported by the Barnabas Fund, a British watchdog group, as many as 22 Christian converts "have been taken from Alexandria to police stations in Cairo and are being beaten, interrogated and tortured." The charge? Falsifying identity papers. While it's not technically against the law in Egypt for Muslims to convert to Christianity — as it is under the sharia law of, say, Iran, Sudan and Saudi Arabia — it is illegal for any Egyptian to drop his Muslim name for a Christian name. "Thus," as the Barnabas Fund explains, Christian converts in Egypt are always "regarded as Muslims in the eyes of the law."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; iftar; islam; ramadan
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To: SJackson
If you think it's important to know who started describing Islam as a religion of peace and love then probably
you find the words "first, last, smallest, largest and ever recorded" especially interesting then: you might want to read and have your say here
21 posted on 11/03/2003 7:39:08 AM PST by Truth666
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To: Rummyfan

22 posted on 11/03/2003 8:50:02 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Nurture terrorism in a neighborhood near you - donate to your local community mosque.)
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To: Rummyfan
Saudi Arabia, as I've been saying forever, is the single worst Kingdom/country on the earth.

We MUST stop sucking up to them and finally tell it like it is. Iraq was nothing compared to SA, in my opinion.

23 posted on 11/03/2003 8:53:58 AM PST by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: whattajoke
If the other religious groups mentioned owned the Middle Eastern oil, they could blow up buildings in New York and still get honored with a White House dinner attended by oil corporation stockholders. It's a joke alright... Still laughing?
24 posted on 11/03/2003 9:35:08 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Making some major assumtions there aren't you?
OBL and his gang of murders do not speak for the vast majority of Muslims.
25 posted on 11/03/2003 10:17:19 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: Valin
Major assumptions?

Read the Koran, study some 7th-century and 8th-century history, and Saudi Arabian jurisprudence. Then get back to us on this. W's Stockholm Syndrome cuddling with Muslims is not all that... illuminating. Charles Martel had a more intelligent strategy for dealing with barbarism.

26 posted on 11/03/2003 11:04:31 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: SJackson
Doesn't that guy in front of the fireplace look like one of Sadams sons? Did we really get him?
27 posted on 11/03/2003 6:16:39 PM PST by lobo59
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
"It is easy to fly into a passion--
anybody can do that--
but to be angry with the right person and at the right time and with the right object and in the right way--
that is not easy, and it is not everyone who can do it."
Aristotle
28 posted on 11/03/2003 9:17:46 PM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: SJackson
Ho hum. More drivel.
29 posted on 11/03/2003 9:18:32 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Valin
Closet Averroist? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I prefer the tradition which produced and has maintained the Aquinas version of Aristotle. You know, about a "little mistake in the beginning being a big one in the end." Along with not cutting women's heads off any more. I'll keep that one, thank you. Talking about passion and anger getting people out of control.

Good grief. Get obsessed with a new topic. You'll feel better.

30 posted on 11/03/2003 10:15:59 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Rummyfan
I can only hope that this strategery of the President's is one of keeping the enemy close

There is no strategery here. Just stupidity. And sheer cowardice.

31 posted on 11/03/2003 10:26:24 PM PST by montag813 (Fire Tenet...Jail Joseph Wilson...Rally 'Round Our President, Dammit!!!)
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To: SJackson
sigh...
32 posted on 11/03/2003 11:36:29 PM PST by lainde
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Actuallly I don't know that much about Aristotle. This quote is just something I ran across a while ago and it seems to me to be appropriate for these kinds of threads. It seems to me that one of the first things a person (or nation) should do is figure out just who the enemy is.

Get obsessed with a new topic. You'll feel better.
Hey everybodys got to have a hobby, it's not like I have a life or anything. :-)

33 posted on 11/04/2003 8:47:48 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: Valin
There's too much relativism in American society. As a point of order, the Christian orientation of Western civilization ought to be embraced and promoted. To acknowledge that Christianity is by far preferable to Islam, that Western culture is more dynamic and tolerant than despotic Middle Eastern tyrannies seems like common sense. The countries which have allowed uninhibited immigration from non-Christian/non-Western countries have mutilated their own civilizations. This starts with cultural and moral relativism. All cultures are not equal. Liberals tend to go out of their way to venerate and apologize for anything non-Christian. This is puerile. Destructively so.

England, France, Spain, or Italy are much better places to visit than Saudi Arabia or Iran. Or at least they used to be. It has something to do with the Christian element in Western civilization. To invoke the Western language of "fairness" and "tolerance" (or "freedom"!!!)to defend Islam is so absurd as to defy explanation. One can be sorry if this hurts someone's feelings. They ought to be more sorry about those tortured, blown up, or who have had their heads lopped off by crazy Muslim regimes.

It took Western countries a long period - centuries - of Christian development to get to the point in manners, culture, and religious morality, to understand that certain types of behavior are barbaric, savage, cruel, and unacceptable. We have been taking steps backwards in recent decades under the influence of secular humanism, liberalism, and moral relativism. We don't need any more smarmy anti-Christian social engineering. We need leaders who are intelligent enough, educated enough, and courageous enough to promote the Christian civilizational heritage which is the source of greatness in the West. Some people will be offended. That's tough. They were attracted to the West (and America) precisely for those excellences and qualities which derive from the Christian heritage - including not chopping their heads or hands off, having free intelligent discussions of things like Aristotle, and assorted other goodies of the Western tradition.

34 posted on 11/04/2003 11:23:20 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: SJackson
BUMP
35 posted on 11/05/2003 5:53:14 AM PST by truthandlife
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