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FBI: Michigan's crime rate down 10.5% with CCW law
Ohioans for Concealed Carry, FBI crime statistics ^ | October 27, 2003 | cbaus?

Posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:55 PM PST by marktwain

Anti-self-defense extremists are often confronted with the question of why Ohio should resist concealed carry reform, since 45 other states have it in some form or another (including every state that borders Ohio). They are fond of responding that since Ohio's crime rate is already lower (than, say, Michigan), there is no need for these reforms. Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence founder Toby Hoover made this very argument on a live WBGU Bowling Green panel show a little over a week ago.

After reading the FBI's 2002 Uniform Crime Report, we know they're going to wish they'd used a different excuse.

For something like 40 years, the state of Michigan has had a crime rate higher than that of Ohio, per capita. This fact in and of itself doesn't deter from arguments that Ohio needs a concealed carry law - just because our rate is lower, doesn't mean we should seek to lower it even more. But these extremists' arguments are flawed for still another reason: the crime rate disparity is no longer a reality, thanks to passage of a concealed carry reform law in Michigan in 2000.

In 1999, Michigan's violent crime rate was 4,324.8 per 100,000 people, compared to Ohio's 3,996.4. Legislators and citizens were fed up. Amidst howls from gun control extremists, failed court challenges, and veto-threats, Michigan's state legislature passed a "shall-issue" concealed carry reform bill into law. The state began issuing licenses in the year 2000.

In the first year of widespread licensing, Michigan's rate dropped to 4,109.9, vs. Ohio's increase to 4,041.8 per 100,000 people.

In 2001, Michigan's crime rate dropped below Ohio's for the first time since modern crime trends have been recorded - down to 4,081.5 per 100,000 people, compared to yet another increase in Ohio - up to 4,177.6.

With the success of Michigan's concealed carry law apparent even to some former opponents, the state legislature passed a number of liberalizations to that state's CCW law - making it easier to obtain a license, and to carry a firearm for self-defense in more places. The changes went into effect last July.

The FBI has just released it's 2002 Uniform Crime Report, which reveals stunning facts about the success of Michigan's concealed carry law: amidst a slight upward trend in crime nationwide, Michigan's crime rate has dropped yet again: down to 3874.1, a 10.5% reduction in just three years. In that same time, Ohio's crime rate has increased 5%.

As if this isn't enough, the devil can most certainly be found in the details:

Ohio's violent crime rate is increasing at an even faster pace than the overall crime trend - up 4.24% in 2002. Michigan's violent crime rate, on the other hand, dropped another 2.63%. Ohio's murder rate was up a whopping 21.24% last year, while Michigan's experienced a less than one percent change. Ohio's rape rate (already one of the highest in the nation) rose another 13.31% last year, while Michigan's dropped 1.34%. Robberies in Ohio surged 6.5% in 2002, while they dropped a whopping 8.49% across the northern border. Car thefts, which include carjackings, increased 2.83% in Ohio last year, while falling 7.42% in Michigan.

We've been saying it for years now, and it's never been more provably true: Every day that Ohio's Republican leadership waits to fix Am. Sub HB12 and send it to Gov. Taft increases the defenseless victim list in our state, and forces otherwise law-abiding citizens into making a choice between facing felony arrest or being unable to defend themselves. This simply should not be.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Ohio; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bang; ccw; concealed; crime; firearms; guns; michigan; ohio; victims; wisconsin
Didn't we just see an article from some dimwit writing for the Milwaukee Journal, demanding to see a state where crime went down "drasticly" after a ccw law was passed?
1 posted on 10/28/2003 6:52:56 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
btttt
2 posted on 10/28/2003 7:00:49 PM PST by ellery (It is not a right to die case.)
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To: marktwain
Defending yourself...How un-European!
3 posted on 10/28/2003 7:01:06 PM PST by Dr.Syn
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To: marktwain
Dschle is "deeply saddened"
4 posted on 10/28/2003 7:37:14 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Dr.Syn
Defending yourself...How un-European!

The last time I looked, this was still the USA not Europe.

I think you forgot the sarcasm tag.

5 posted on 10/28/2003 7:38:29 PM PST by rllngrk33 (Liberals are guilty of everything they accuse Conservatives of.)
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To: marktwain
Gee, when people can defend themselves, crime drops.

Who would have guessed?
6 posted on 10/28/2003 7:46:00 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Please become a monthly donor!!! Just $3 a month--you won't miss it, and will feel proud!)
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To: rllngrk33
I think you forgot the sarcasm tag.

Do we really need the blatantly obvious spelled out?
7 posted on 10/28/2003 7:47:52 PM PST by visualops (I finally just had to put my tagline out in the yard, it was tearing up the furniture.)
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To: marktwain
Seems to work every time it's tried. Can anyone cite statistics showing that after the passage of Conceal and Carry Laws that even one state has had an increase in crime?
8 posted on 10/28/2003 7:48:03 PM PST by basil
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iSeems to work every time it's tried. Can anyone cite statistics showing that after the passage of Conceal and Carry Laws that even one state has had an increase in crime?

I think John Lott's book says that it could. Increase in crime against property such as theft and burglary, when criminals start substituting a less dangerous task for a more dangerous (armed robbery) task.

9 posted on 10/28/2003 8:42:31 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: basil; Dan from Michigan; Hillary's Lovely Legs
Guns are good.
10 posted on 10/28/2003 8:45:49 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: marktwain
This is a good post, information I am sure you won't hear on the evening alphabet news networks.
11 posted on 10/28/2003 8:50:28 PM PST by arly
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To: basil
I think the way the anti's claimed that crime actually was higher was because at the initial passing of a CCW law, crime would plummet downward. As people forgot about the law, crime would eventually start to climb back up. Possibly not to the Pre-CCW levels. I think that's where they claimed that crime would "go up".

Lott's work is important because he was able to go by a county by county figure and not by the state by state. He was able to compare which counties had more Concealed Licenses and then look at those figures.

One of the stories I had heard about Florida were the rape figures. Those went to zero soon after the law was in place.

We also heard of the rental cars that had the agency's license frames on the vehicle. So many carjackings were directed at the rentals because the crooks didn't want to target the residents. Too dangerous.
12 posted on 10/28/2003 8:58:21 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: marktwain
Michigan's crime rate has dropped yet again: down to 3874.1,
a 10.5% reduction in just three years.

In that same time, Ohio's crime rate has increased 5%.

Wonder how much of Ohio's increase was caused by Michigan criminals looking for easy victims?

13 posted on 10/28/2003 10:58:53 PM PST by ASA Vet (BR 549)
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